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Post  tigger on Mon 10 Dec - 20:02

Panda wrote:@ jd16 It was a QC who advised the McCanns to make Madeleine a Ward of Court so that in the event of the McCanns being charged with negligence in Portugal and being imprisoned, the U.K. would take over the search for Madeleine.



Hi mossman, I think it unlikely that Teri Blythe sold the copyright to the McCanns. Madeleiene's photo was one of a collection of her work, but I'm sure she would have sold a lot at a discount which the McCanns will sell on at a profit.

That's not how copyright works, you may buy a photograph but you are then not allowed to reproduce it or perhaps even change it. You can frame it and hang it on the wall, but even if you made a photocopy of it you'd be infringing copyright.

TM are telling us that (allegedly) Teri Blyth is such a selfish person that she won't allow copyright except to the McCanns' merchandise.
Imo that's rubbish, I don't believe Blyth has the copyright on that photograph, by Kate's own evidence, she and the twins 'tweaked' the image so they took part in the creation of it.
I think that TM can use the photograph but if say a newspaper wants to use it, they have to pay. TM I expect, as I believe they can do what they like with the photograph. I believe they have the copyright but it looks better if they say it isn't so.
Otherwise T.Blyth will get the money every time it's reproduced in a newspaper. The papers are generally also obliged to name the artist/photographer when they print it. So none of this stacks up.

So to recap: copyright means just that, I've sold artwork as copyright, which means I can't use it anymore except to keep it in my portfolio or hang the original on the wall.
If I sell a painting to an individual, they don't have the right to use the image for their own commercial use unless I sell the copyright with it.

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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  mossman on Mon 10 Dec - 20:05

Panda wrote:http://findmadeleine.com/online_store/

The Teri image is the one being sold as part of a pack for £1.75, open link


Thanks Panda, they are all new. I looked on that website quite recently and that merchandise was not available. It was during the time of the merchandise on Amazon - the bags, mugs etc. that lead to that statement about copyright from McCanns. The image used in that instance was the one with the hairband. So new items now just in time for the Christmas market.

Thanks T4two - that explains things very nicely.


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Post  Guest on Mon 10 Dec - 21:59

Right, so in this page I have picked at random off the internet -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130995/Madeleine-McCann-Police-search-town-near-Malaga-lookalike-spotted.html

why is the "family photo" of Maddie copyrighted to the Press Association?

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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  jd16 on Mon 10 Dec - 22:20

Panda wrote:@ jd16 It was a QC who advised the McCanns to make Madeleine a Ward of Court so that in the event of the McCanns being charged with negligence in Portugal and being imprisoned, the U.K. would take over the search for Madeleine.

But they ran away from Portugal and still put the application through 8 months later after they were back living in the UK and the case archived. 4 years later and to this day Maddie is still in the legal custody of the court

Image rights, merchandise, copyrights, infringements - god the mccanns must dread if Maddie is ever found, the money they would lose. Putting things into perspective, the mccanns begged & took monies from the public to help with the search but then charges the public monies on top should you wish to put up a poster to help, with a threat of being sued for copyright infringement...

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 22:50

jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:@ jd16 It was a QC who advised the McCanns to make Madeleine a Ward of Court so that in the event of the McCanns being charged with negligence in Portugal and being imprisoned, the U.K. would take over the search for Madeleine.

But they ran away from Portugal and still put the application through 8 months later after they were back living in the UK and the case archived. 4 years later and to this day Maddie is still in the legal custody of the court

Image rights, merchandise, copyrights, infringements - god the mccanns must dread if Maddie is ever found, the money they would lose. Putting things into perspective, the mccanns begged & took monies from the public to help with the search but then charges the public monies on top should you wish to put up a poster to help, with a threat of being sued for copyright infringement...

jd16 the McCanns kept Madeleine as a Ward of Court thinking they could have access to info held by Leicester Police. Petitioned the Court Justice Hogg to order LP to provide info. However, the Chief Inspector intervened saying the case was ongoing so the McCanns received only "8 pieces of information".

As for Copyright, it's like having your picture taken and buying a copy, the Photographer still owns the negative. I would assume the photos of Madeleine appearing in the Press owned by the McCanns would have been used by the Press but not charged by the McCanns because Madeleine was getting free publicity.

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Post  jd16 on Mon 10 Dec - 23:08

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jd16 the McCanns kept Madeleine as a Ward of Court thinking they could have access to info held by Leicester Police. Petitioned the Court Justice Hogg to order LP to provide info. However, the Chief Inspector intervened saying the case was ongoing so the McCanns received only "8 pieces of information".

As for Copyright, it's like having your picture taken and buying a copy, the Photographer still owns the negative. I would assume the photos of Madeleine appearing in the Press owned by the McCanns would have been used by the Press but not charged by the McCanns because Madeleine was getting free publicity.

I don't know of any other parent of missing children giving up legal custody of them, plus the mccanns have all the information now as well and it is published freely on the internet...so why is she still Ward of Court in 2012?

Copyrights/photos do mix with me for a missing child....not if she really missing that is. I don't believe any parent would be charging for posters or have copyright infringement disclaimers


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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 23:37

jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:
jd16 the McCanns kept Madeleine as a Ward of Court thinking they could have access to info held by Leicester Police. Petitioned the Court Justice Hogg to order LP to provide info. However, the Chief Inspector intervened saying the case was ongoing so the McCanns received only "8 pieces of information".

As for Copyright, it's like having your picture taken and buying a copy, the Photographer still owns the negative. I would assume the photos of Madeleine appearing in the Press owned by the McCanns would have been used by the Press but not charged by the McCanns because Madeleine was getting free publicity.

I don't know of any other parent of missing children giving up legal custody of them, plus the mccanns have all the information now as well and it is published freely on the internet...so why is she still Ward of Court in 2012?

Copyrights/photos do mix with me for a missing child....not if she really missing that is. I don't believe any parent would be charging for posters or have copyright infringement disclaimers


jd16..I don.t know of any parent who can manipulate the Press, Government, Police and Judges like the McCanns can. It truly is amazing .

I was just on another thread where NBY had given me the link for Slade's Merry Christmas and you know when a lot of others come up in the box, there was one about Madeleine. I read the comments and there was one from a Dutchman saying Madeleine would be found after 7 years from the date she disappeared, he apologised for his lack of English. Iv'e just been back to try to find the video and I can.t ....b***er it.!!!!

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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  jd16 on Tue 11 Dec - 0:03

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jd16..I don.t know of any parent who can manipulate the Press, Government, Police and Judges like the McCanns can. It truly is amazing .

I was just on another thread where NBY had given me the link for Slade's Merry Christmas and you know when a lot of others come up in the box, there was one about Madeleine. I read the comments and there was one from a Dutchman saying Madeleine would be found after 7 years from the date she disappeared, he apologised for his lack of English. Iv'e just been back to try to find the video and I can.t ....b***er it.!!!!

She will never be found....There are alerts to cadaver in 11 separate places all related 'only' to the mccanns. It is impossible to have this many alerts in as many different places for there not to have been a death

The mccanns lied about the shutters....if their child had really disappeared then why the need to lie about this?

And after 5 years, with all the investigations and anybody who is anyone involved going to the very top of our society, why is there still not one single shred of evidence of an abduction?

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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  Panda on Tue 11 Dec - 0:10

jd I found the link

The comment from the Dutch guy said Madeleine would be found dead in the water after 7 years.!!!! The video is made by shells 122



thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RZJHOoUT4tp:



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wuy are you putting this on youtube i think its up to the parents to do tha you have no right. she is not alive a paragnost told on dutch television she will be found over 7 years death in the water.... hope so better than being at a pedphile or porn industrial networks. sorry 4 my english i speak dutch only

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Post  Guest on Tue 11 Dec - 0:19

Panda wrote:jd I found the link

The comment from the Dutch guy said Madeleine would be found dead in the water after 7 years.!!!! The video is made by shells 122



thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RZJHOoUT4tp:



sannie san 1 week ago

wuy are you putting this on youtube i think its up to the parents to do tha you have no right. she is not alive a paragnost told on dutch television she will be found over 7 years death in the water.... hope so better than being at a pedphile or porn industrial networks. sorry 4 my english i speak dutch only

What a load of old rubbish. Where do we even start? Full of spelling mistakes and gets even the most basic facts wrong. Sorry, but it's the "nutters" box for that one. It always cracks me up when people put tripe like this on the internet for the supposed edification of others.


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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  cherry1 on Tue 11 Dec - 0:20

this all seems to be part of wider agenda, making as much money as you can from your missing
child. how many parents whose child is missing goes rushing to set up a website with an online shop, how many parents of missing children focus on the commercialisation of that child, how many parents charge for posters, produce tacky merchandise to sell, all seemingly for the purpose of making money out of a child. That in itself is an abuse of that child. The accounts have shown us most of the money has not been spent on searching for Madeleine. We have also seen on numerous occasions how the fund is marketed as a charity, they have seemingly duped the public into how donations were going to be spent. the Police should be closing this fund down.

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Re: madeleine merchandise

Post  Panda on Tue 11 Dec - 0:36

this might sound ridiculous, but there's no harm trying, They can call the psychic twins, linda and terry, the twins have solved a lot of missing person cases already, and they are the only proven psychic twins in the world, they're most famous prediction is the 9/11 terrorist attack, they predicted it 2 yrs before the attack happened. if the parents consult with the psychic twins, they will at least have a clue where she is right now"

This is from that same video, sounds more reasonable .

what happened to Pat whatsername, the Writer who met Amaral in Portugal and threatened to sue amazon ......she too has disappeared without trace,

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Post  jd16 on Tue 11 Dec - 0:42

Panda wrote:jd I found the link

The comment from the Dutch guy said Madeleine would be found dead in the water after 7 years.!!!! The video is made by shells 122

wuy are you putting this on youtube i think its up to the parents to do tha you have no right. she is not alive a paragnost told on dutch television she will be found over 7 years death in the water.... hope so better than being at a pedphile or porn industrial networks. sorry 4 my english i speak dutch only

This is a complete hoax imo and the 'idea' of it probably stems from the locals at the time in 2007 who were banding about that Maddie was found dead in the pool. From the official investigations:

The only traces of cadaver odour, human blood and human fluids, inconclusive but compatible to Madeleine's DNA, were found on the McCanns' car, on Kate McCann clothes, on Madeleine's plush toy, on other McCann family belongings and inside apartment 5A.

After three and a half years, there isn't a single evidence to state that Madeleine was abducted, in fact, all the investigation to Madeleine's disappearance made by several police forces in cooperation with the Portuguese Judiciary Police, point that:

1) The child, Madeleine McCann, died in the Ocean Club Apartment, in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May, 2007;
2) A simulation of an abduction took place;
3) Kate Marie Healy and Gerald Patrick McCann are suspected of being involved in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver,
4) The death may have been the outcome of a tragic accident;
5) There are indications of neglect regarding the guardianship and security of the children.

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Post  Panda on Tue 11 Dec - 0:48

cherry1 wrote:this all seems to be part of wider agenda, making as much money as you can from your missing
child. how many parents whose child is missing goes rushing to set up a website with an online shop, how many parents of missing children focus on the commercialisation of that child, how many parents charge for posters, produce tacky merchandise to sell, all seemingly for the purpose of making money out of a child. That in itself is an abuse of that child. The accounts have shown us most of the money has not been spent on searching for Madeleine. We have also seen on numerous occasions how the fund is marketed as a charity, they have seemingly duped the public into how donations were going to be spent. the Police should be closing this fund down.

cherry 1 It just goes to show how much the SY Police have helped the McCanns by commissioning that picture to be shown on Crimestoppers and liaising with them and Teri the Lady who produced the image. Didn;t the McCanns commission an American age progression photo as well.

SY were asked to do a review to see if the Portugese had missed any vital clues yet spend more taxpayers money commissioning this picture to be shown un the U.K. when Madeleine disappeared in Portugal!!!!! What a waste of money . if Cameron tries to extend the review once the £3 million runs out there will be a public and Press outcry.

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Post  Panda on Tue 11 Dec - 0:53

jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:jd I found the link

The comment from the Dutch guy said Madeleine would be found dead in the water after 7 years.!!!! The video is made by shells 122

wuy are you putting this on youtube i think its up to the parents to do tha you have no right. she is not alive a paragnost told on dutch television she will be found over 7 years death in the water.... hope so better than being at a pedphile or porn industrial networks. sorry 4 my english i speak dutch only

This is a complete hoax imo and the 'idea' of it probably stems from the locals at the time in 2007 who were banding about that Maddie was found dead in the pool. From the official investigations:

The only traces of cadaver odour, human blood and human fluids, inconclusive but compatible to Madeleine's DNA, were found on the McCanns' car, on Kate McCann clothes, on Madeleine's plush toy, on other McCann family belongings and inside apartment 5A.

After three and a half years, there isn't a single evidence to state that Madeleine was abducted, in fact, all the investigation to Madeleine's disappearance made by several police forces in cooperation with the Portuguese Judiciary Police, point that:

1) The child, Madeleine McCann, died in the Ocean Club Apartment, in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May, 2007;
2) A simulation of an abduction took place;
3) Kate Marie Healy and Gerald Patrick McCann are suspected of being involved in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver,
4) The death may have been the outcome of a tragic accident;
5) There are indications of neglect regarding the guardianship and security of the children.

As I just said to Cherry 1, SY have been much to pally with the McCanns and when the £3 million is spent, close the case as far as Britain is concerned and tell the McCanns enough is enough , stop asking the Public to buy items from your website, they have given enough, start spending your own money.

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Post  jd16 on Tue 11 Dec - 1:29

From Enid O'Dowd's analyse of the fund.......

When I looked at the audited accounts to see what they said about taxation I found a note 1.3 Taxation as part of the Notes to the Financial Statements in accounts 2008, 2009 and 2010 which read:

'The company remains accountable for taxation liabilities arising from capital gains, interest, trading activities and any other surplus other than from donations received'

In the accounts to 31 March 2008, there is a surplus of £1,064,489 before taxation but the corporation tax payable per the accounts is only £12,462. This is because most of the income for that period was from donations


Nice little earner for either neglecting your children & losing one of them in the process while you boozed it up, or are concealing the death of your child isn't it!!!! Some of us make an honest living

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Note 1.2 Income. The 2008, 2009 and 2010 accounts all state –

'Income comprises donations received by the company along with revenue recognised in respect of merchandise supplied, exclusive of VAT.'

But in the 2011 accounts the heading Income changes to Turnover and the note reads –

'Turnover comprises revenue recognised by the company in respect of goods and services supplied by the company, exclusive of Value Added Tax and trade discounts.'

Why has the word donations been deleted?

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Kate says in her book on p.138:

'From the outset, everyone agreed that, despite the costs involved, it (the Fund) must be run to the highest standards of transparency.'
• the Fund (limited company) was set up only days after Madeleine vanished

• the accounts, apart from 2008, are so uninformative

• what has happened to the advance for the book Madeleine which does not appear to have been put into the Fund as people expected

• whether the Fund ever had any paid staff and in particular whether there ever was a Fund Administrator as the official Madeleine website states

• the reluctance to provide meaningful financial information

• the need for so many professional advisors, mainly lawyers and whether their fees were paid fully or in part from the Fund

• why the issue of charity status has apparently not been revisited given the obvious benefits to the search for Madeleine

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Post  cherry1 on Tue 11 Dec - 1:30

Look at all the children who go 'missing' from childrens homes every year to be traffiked, used by paedo rings, the money given to SY could have been used to track down some of those children and all the parents whose children have gone missing may be asking why the government has not given them loads of money to find their children.

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Post  cherry1 on Tue 11 Dec - 1:32

There certainly does not seem to be any transparency in the fund jd.

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