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Post  HiDeHo on Wed 19 Dec - 19:30

McMINUTES: McCanns CHANGED story because SHUTTERS were NOT 'jemmied'!

First the McCanns claimed the shutters were 'jemmied' and the abductor came in through the window.

Their story changed and Clarence Mitchel 'officially' claimed that Kate and Gerry believe the abductor came in through the patio doors and LEFT via the window. after Mark Warner managers and the POLICE confirmed the shutters were NOT damaged.

This raises the question....In the THREE MINUTE window of opportunuity for the abductor to ENTER through the unlocked patio doors....Gerry was standing outside after exiting the apartment from those very same doors!


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Post  welshy on Wed 19 Dec - 22:42

Fair play HiDeHo you are brilliant with the vids. Thankyou.x

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 19 Dec - 22:44

I really don't know how Mitchell has been so successful in PR. He's a pompous tw*t!

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Post  malena stool on Wed 19 Dec - 23:22

HiDeHo wrote:McMINUTES: McCanns CHANGED story because SHUTTERS were NOT 'jemmied'!

First the McCanns claimed the shutters were 'jemmied' and the abductor came in through the window.

Their story changed and Clarence Mitchel 'officially' claimed that Kate and Gerry believe the abductor came in through the patio doors and LEFT via the window. after Mark Warner managers and the POLICE confirmed the shutters were NOT damaged.

This raises the question....In the THREE MINUTE window of opportunuity for the abductor to ENTER through the unlocked patio doors....Gerry was standing outside after exiting the apartment from those very same doors!


Mitchell was plainly lying like a Trojan, stuttering and stammering that he would "Tell you off camera, but I'm not going to go into the detail on camera, everything I've said, babble, babble", (stares into the heavens for divine guidance and fails miserably to receive any help from God)..
"So I'm going to stop"... Finding he has talked himself into a hole and can't stop... he's shown himself to be a pathetic liar on air and is unable to leave it.
He has to continue "But, it's essential to say that err Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out of the window as their means of escape and to do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything."

Kate and Gerry being firmly of the view makes it true then?
The same truth that they were stating that the shutters were broken, jemmied and smashed?

Why and how are this vile pair still walking free and uncharged along with their tapas buddies and Mitchell for impeding the Portuguese Police in their search for a missing child.

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Post  cherry1 on Thu 20 Dec - 0:08

I couldnt have put it better myself malena

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Re: McMINUTES: McCanns CHANGED story because SHUTTERS were NOT 'jemmied'!

Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 0:35

Why would the mccanns need to phone everyone they ever knew media/Police/Friends to tell them lies that the shutters were jemmied? If their daughter had been really abducted why would anyone need to lie about this?

Gerry was standing outside after exiting the apartment from those very same doors!
....the most important part of it all....He was standing right outside!

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Post  HiDeHo on Thu 20 Dec - 1:24

jd16 wrote:Why would the mccanns need to phone everyone they ever knew media/Police/Friends to tell them lies that the shutters were jemmied? If their daughter had been really abducted why would anyone need to lie about this?

Gerry was standing outside after exiting the apartment from those very same doors!
....the most important part of it all....He was standing right outside!

I had not seen or thought about this scenario until I started putting the video together.

Too much confusion meant that it was not blatantly obvious.

To counteract this is probably why they suggested the 'abductor' was already IN the apartment...

He couldnt fit behind the door, and wasn't in the toilet (as Gerry apparently made a quick visit.)

Gerry looked down at his daughter and thought how beautiful she looked, so nothing was disturbed....If the 'abductor' was in there he obviously hadn't made any effort to abduct! Gerry didn't see him going into the apartment as he walked up the road...

Matthew had 'checked' a couple of minutes earlier...

He had met the Paynes on their way to the tapas...all claim various points of meeting him...Near the gate according to Fiona, by the swimming pool according to DP and Matthew claims he saw them at the corner at the top of the road.

Dianne claimed emphatically that she did not see anyone (until her Rogatory interview after Fiona and Dave had 'reminded' her).

Matthew was a little 'upset' that Gerry left immediately upon his return (suggesting he felt he didn't trust him)

NOTHING to suggest an abductor was already in there.

So...Gerry leaves the apartment, approx 9.10pm.....descends the stairs....meets Jeremy Wilkins and chats to him for a few minutes near the gate at the bottom of the stairs..(the only few minutes that we 'know' to be true....whether the TIME is correct is another matter)

The 'abductor sneaks past them. Jez Wilkins did not see him. (He obviously did not say 'Excuse me' as he squeezed past them!)

A couple of minutes Jane Tanner walks past them and SEES the abductor...but again, Jez didn't see Jane...never mind the abductor!

Madeleine disappears....

All within 3 minutes!

If it looks like a duck...and walks like a duck.....

Another thing....It was apparently very quiet.....Did they not hear the shutters being opened...The shutters that are notorious for being very noisy?

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Post  Wintabells on Thu 20 Dec - 1:36

and this is perhaps why GMcC is adamant that he wasn't standing right by the back gate of 5a chatting to Wilkins, but further down the road, with his back to the apartment and on the opposite side.

Mitchell clearly knows that the story makes no sense, but as long as he doesn't overtly lie himself, he can claim he was 'duped', then make a mint selling his side of the story. Quite a canny move, really.

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Re: McMINUTES: McCanns CHANGED story because SHUTTERS were NOT 'jemmied'!

Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 1:38

HiDeHo wrote:
So...Gerry leaves the apartment, approx 9.10pm.....descends the stairs....meets Jeremy Wilkins and chats to him for a few minutes near the gate at the bottom of the stairs..(the only few minutes that we 'know' to be true....whether the TIME is correct is another matter)

The 'abductor sneaks past them. Jez Wilkins did not see him. (He obviously did not say 'Excuse me' as he squeezed past them!)

A couple of minutes Jane Tanner walks past them and SEES the abductor...but again, Jez didn't see Jane...never mind the abductor!

Madeleine disappears....

All within 3 minutes!

If it looks like a duck...and walks like a duck.....

Another thing....It was apparently very quiet.....Did they not hear the shutters being opened...The shutters that are notorious for being very noisy?

The shutters are very noisy. And more to the point why did neither of them 'see' the shutters being jemmied when they were only yards outside them talking in the street. One of them was facing the apartment as they chatted!

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Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 1:56

May, 7th 2007 Jeremy Wilkins Statement

"I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road.

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment."

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Post  Panda on Thu 20 Dec - 1:56

This is what really makes me mad.....the fact that they all can lie but had a recon taken place all these lies would have been exposed and the truth about what Happened to Madeleine revealed.

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Post  Wintabells on Thu 20 Dec - 6:58

jd16 wrote:The shutters are very noisy. And more to the point why did neither of them 'see' the shutters being jemmied when they were only yards outside them talking in the street. One of them was facing the apartment as they chatted!

I think the shutters in question are at the front of 5a, ie, where the carpark and the road is. The patio doors are at the back as are the stairs leading down to the side gate, near to which Wilkins says he saw Gerald.

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Post  tigger on Thu 20 Dec - 7:29

Wintabells wrote:
jd16 wrote:The shutters are very noisy. And more to the point why did neither of them 'see' the shutters being jemmied when they were only yards outside them talking in the street. One of them was facing the apartment as they chatted!

I think the shutters in question are at the front of 5a, ie, where the carpark and the road is. The patio doors are at the back as are the stairs leading down to the side gate, near to which Wilkins says he saw Gerald.

JW said in his rogatory that he is sure he left his apartment at 8.30, then he walked around with the pram and met GM between 8.45 and 9.15.
It's not an enormous site and I always had the impression that JW felt it was a good deal earlier than 9.10, almost the latest Gerry could fit it in.
Not only that, according to Kate's book, at 9.05 precisely Gerry left the table (by his watch - which he didn't have according to the same sources).
That left five minutes to get to 5a, use the loo, stand around admiring his children, probably leave via the patio door.
Yet wasn't there a remark from JT that Gerry was staying away rather long from the table because he might be watching footie?

Another point is that JW wasn't aware of Maddie's disappearance until around 1.00 pm I think, when he was woken by MO and DP (I'm not sure, two Tapas in any case) they asked him if he'd seen anything. They also said he needn't help the search.

During that talk GM said to JW (concerning the children and how he might have stayed in for one night if the holiday had been longer) 'It is our holiday too'
- seems he felt more like a competing sibling than a father.

The other thing that annoys the hell out of me is that G says he stood looking at Maddie and contemplating how 'beautiful' she was and how lucky he was.
Also noting that she lay in the recovery position. All revealing embellishments of the 'story'.

Lovely and gorgeous are words which describe the character of a person as well as their appearance, beautiful is a view, a concept.
The two-dimensional world of the McCanns never ceased to amaze.

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Post  Panda on Thu 20 Dec - 7:56

Doesn't it make you think that Kates' character had to be deleted from the recon produced by Mentorn because her version of events didn't tally with the others , that had a recon been demanded by the PJ as soon as it appeared their testimonies did not tally.......the case would have been solved there and then.???? The McCanns stayed in Portugal until September so there was plenty of time to arrange this.

Madeleine disappeared between 9 and 10pm , the Tapas 9 arrived at the Restaurant at 8.30pm so they could hardly claim too much alcohol had blurred their memory.

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Post  T4two on Thu 20 Dec - 9:19

I have always understood that the McCanns never actually said directly that the shutters had been jemmied, but that various relatives and friends stated via the press that this is what they had been told had happened by the parents. To the best of my knowledge, there is no recorded statement by the parents in the police files or indeed elsewhere actually stating that the shutters had been jemmied. IMO the relatives and friends who were telephoned that night were told that the shutters had been jemmied (even though they hadn't been) in order to convince them straight away that a break in and an abduction had taken place so that they were sure to spring immediately into action. Time was of essence to get the abduction story out by the next day. IMO the plan was for GM to actually do the break in, but he was interrupted by JW. Nonetheless it seems that he decided to carry on with the break in story to get the action going asap.

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Post  Panda on Thu 20 Dec - 9:30

yes T4two , it was I think Philomena who mentioned the shutters ,I think Clarence mentioned it as well. the Portugese forensics were checking out the window the following day and apart from the fact the shutter was heavy and would have made a noise trying to lift it, there was only one fingerprint on the window and that was Kates'.

Obviously the story was concocted to draw attention away from the fact that the Patio doors were left unlocked , very careless when there are 3 small children alone in the apartment.

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Post  T4two on Thu 20 Dec - 9:55

Panda wrote:yes T4two , it was I think Philomena who mentioned the shutters ,I think Clarence mentioned it as well. the Portugese forensics were checking out the window the following day and apart from the fact the shutter was heavy and would have made a noise trying to lift it, there was only one fingerprint on the window and that was Kates'.

Obviously the story was concocted to draw attention away from the fact that the Patio doors were left unlocked , very careless when there are 3 small children alone in the apartment.

IMO the story was concocted to convince family and friends immediately that an abduction had taken place i.e. to avoid any argument whatsoever because it was imperative to get the abduction story out and into the media asap. The fact that it wasn't true and could be seen not to be true was of secondary importance because the McCanns themselves had never said that the shutters were jemmied - just hearsay - like so much of the PR

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Post  Panda on Thu 20 Dec - 10:12

The PJ rented 5a for a year , I think from July 07 and could easily have staged a recon because by this time they knew abduction was out of the question. Why did the PJ not make the recon compulsary since they were the ones spending all the money. If everyone wanted to help find Madeleine they would never have refused.

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Post  tigger on Thu 20 Dec - 11:05

T4two wrote:
Panda wrote:yes T4two , it was I think Philomena who mentioned the shutters ,I think Clarence mentioned it as well. the Portugese forensics were checking out the window the following day and apart from the fact the shutter was heavy and would have made a noise trying to lift it, there was only one fingerprint on the window and that was Kates'.

Obviously the story was concocted to draw attention away from the fact that the Patio doors were left unlocked , very careless when there are 3 small children alone in the apartment.

IMO the story was concocted to convince family and friends immediately that an abduction had taken place i.e. to avoid any argument whatsoever because it was imperative to get the abduction story out and into the media asap. The fact that it wasn't true and could be seen not to be true was of secondary importance because the McCanns themselves had never said that the shutters were jemmied - just hearsay - like so much of the PR

The 'jimmied (sic) shutters and the front door 'hanging open' came from Philomena. But it was repeated almost verbatim by a number of friends and other family. Which would be unlikely if the same story hadn't been given to all of them individually.

Dr. Robers' 'Early doors' is very useful in working out which doors were open when... I nearly forgot, according to Rachel Mampilly, the shutters were also down on the patio doors. So lifting those up and down was also impossible from outside and therefore none of the checking could have been done via the patio doors.
The simplest explanation is of course that there was no checking, just a story.

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Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 11:05

To the best of my knowledge, there is no recorded statement by the parents in the police files or indeed elsewhere actually stating that the shutters had been jemmied
gerry mccann statement, 4th May 2007:
"At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key and saw immediately that the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open."

kate mccann statement, 4th May 2007:
"At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did. "

The back of Maddies sticker book was ripped off where they wrote a timeline. Why would they make a point of stating that "all shutters down" at 9pm if they were still down at 10pm?



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Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 11:14

Diane Webster statement, 11th May 2007
"- She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.
- However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed."


Matt Oldfield statement, 4th May 2007
At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter

Rachael Oldfield statement, 4th May 2007
The interviewee remembers Kate having said that one of the windows facing to the front of the apartment was found open with the shutter raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.

Jon Corner on Cuddle Cat and DNA, 09 September 2007 (link). Jon Corner, a .... "Kate also noticed the window was wide open and the shutters jammed up.

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Post  jd16 on Thu 20 Dec - 11:31

GA Amaral said the only evidence found on the window was the finger print from Kate McCann opening the window to the left. That means, when she went to the room the window was closed.

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Post  Panda on Thu 20 Dec - 12:05

Good work jd16......thanks.



This all begs the question , why was a recon called for ONE YEAR LATER????? Who would have been responsible for suggesting it, the Portugese Police or Prosecutor?

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Post  Keela on Thu 20 Dec - 13:11

I presume that the NSY are aware of all the discrepancies and if so will be asking the relevant questions. If they know about the changes etc then they HAVE to question them. Anything else is a complete whitewash. Unless of course they have been told to ignore everything which does not conform and return a "not guilty" verdict. Someone is being protected. Once the person is established then everything will fall into place and the house of cards will tumble. Not a minute too soon.

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Post  HiDeHo on Thu 20 Dec - 13:14

From day one I have never believed the patio doors were left open.

May 4th statement, Gerry claims the door was locked.

Subsequent statements/interviews he claims the patio door was left open.

The 'PLAN' originally was the jemmied shutters (and locked door), but that didn't happen (maybe JW prevented it)

Regardless, they went ahead with telling that to friends/relatives

Once it was established the shutters were NOT jemmied, they needed to 'allow' the abductor a means of entry and so the unlocked patio door became the alternative.

Too late to take back what they had told the relatives...KEEPING IN MIND that they had NO IDEA the media frenzy and scrutiny they were about to be faced with.

My opinion is that is why they kept the open window 'issue' but not the jemmied shutters. The open window allowed for the abductor to pass across the top of the road as Gerry was standing at the gate so he couldn't exit through the gate.

It then became a CONFUSION issue, which I have every intention of highlighting and exposing with the videos.

NOONE in their right mind would leave those doors open with passports etc laying in the open.

This to me is the reason they have 'got away with it'

The focus IMMEDIATELY went to blaming them for leaving the patio doors open (and the presumption that the children were left alone) and they must have found this a great trade off for the truth. But then...nothing is known for sure......but I would rather put 'normal 'human behaviour' over their contrived statements and the subsequent damage control.

I ABSOLUTEY believe that (and always have) with all my heart and I have found NOTHING to suggest, yet, to prove myself incorrect.

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