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VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

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VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  HiDeHo on Tue 1 Jan - 18:19

VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Residues were found in the McCann's rented car and sent for forensic testing showing that Madeleine McCann's BODY could have been in the car more than 20 days after her disappearance!


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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Tue 1 Jan - 19:26

Very good HiDeHo...except that FSS said that while the samples taken concluded that the twins were related to the Parents, there was no conclusive evidence of Madeleine's DNA...ELI is the expert on DNA.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  ELI on Tue 1 Jan - 20:01

Panda wrote:Very good HiDeHo...except that FSS said that while the samples taken concluded that the twins were related to the Parents, there was no conclusive evidence of Madeleine's DNA...ELI is the expert on DNA.


I Agree it's a Very Good video too

The FSS or the report by JL didn't conclude that there was no conclusive evidence of Madeleine. The report said that they couldn't determine whether or not the evidence came from her, without actually using the terms excluded or inconclusive. I know it may sound like a play on words but using the right forensic terminology is very important. To state that they don't know if it came from her or not, rather than saying they excluded her or the tests proved inconclusive, leaves it wide open to interpretation and is as good or bad if you prefer, as saying there's as much a probability it was as there is it wasn't, which definitely is not an exclusion and could be argued not inconclusive. imo of course.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  HiDeHo on Tue 1 Jan - 20:05

At some point in the series I will be tackling the actual DNA foresics in more detail and could use your help with terminology and facts eli (it would be much appreciated if possible!)

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  ELI on Tue 1 Jan - 20:10

HiDeHo wrote:At some point in the series I will be tackling the actual DNA foresics in more detail and could use your help with terminology and facts eli (it would be much appreciated if possible!)

You've already got it

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Tue 1 Jan - 20:45

Didn't I do well ! If I hadn't mentioned Eli you two wouldn't be working together in future. Seriously now , I don't profess to know anything about DNA, but wasn't this the 15 of 19 markers Stuart said would be sufficiant to go to trial in the U.K.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  ELI on Tue 1 Jan - 21:01

Panda wrote:Didn't I do well ! If I hadn't mentioned Eli you two wouldn't be working together in future. Seriously now , I don't profess to know anything about DNA, but wasn't this the 15 of 19 markers Stuart said would be sufficiant to go to trial in the U.K.

lol Panda, well done

Yes I think it was Stuart P. who said that.

In order to state that there are enough components for someone to identify an individual, the sequence of those components have to ‘match’ the sequence of markers (components) in that particular individuals reference sample. In other words enough components or markers to distinguish whose DNA it was. In this instance – (quote from the report) - “ ALL confirmed corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann.”

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Tue 1 Jan - 21:22

ELI wrote:
Panda wrote:Didn't I do well ! If I hadn't mentioned Eli you two wouldn't be working together in future. Seriously now , I don't profess to know anything about DNA, but wasn't this the 15 of 19 markers Stuart said would be sufficiant to go to trial in the U.K.

lol Panda, well done

Yes I think it was Stuart P. who said that.

In order to state that there are enough components for someone to identify an individual, the sequence of those components have to ‘match’ the sequence of markers (components) in that particular individuals reference sample. In other words enough components or markers to distinguish whose DNA it was. In this instance – (quote from the report) - “ ALL confirmed corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann.”

So why didn't they use that evidence?

I don't know whether you read the topics here but I have just posted the latest Article about the death of the young Indian girl and this might interest you. One of the culprits is to have his bones tested to see if he is old enough (18) to receive the death penalty.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  ELI on Tue 1 Jan - 21:24

Panda wrote:
ELI wrote:
Panda wrote:Didn't I do well ! If I hadn't mentioned Eli you two wouldn't be working together in future. Seriously now , I don't profess to know anything about DNA, but wasn't this the 15 of 19 markers Stuart said would be sufficiant to go to trial in the U.K.

lol Panda, well done

Yes I think it was Stuart P. who said that.

In order to state that there are enough components for someone to identify an individual, the sequence of those components have to ‘match’ the sequence of markers (components) in that particular individuals reference sample. In other words enough components or markers to distinguish whose DNA it was. In this instance – (quote from the report) - “ ALL confirmed corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann.”

So why didn't they use that evidence?

I don't know whether you read the topics here but I have just posted the latest Article about the death of the young Indian girl and this might interest you. One of the culprits is to have his bones tested to see if he is old enough (18) to receive the death penalty.

Because Panda the report then goes on to state this little gem;

The report states - -: "Let's look at the question that is being asked: “ Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab, It would be very simple to say 'yes', simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.”
"What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine – because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car, or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance."


This statement makes absolutely no sense what so ever - whatever does the writer mean by questioning whether the match was genuine because Madeleine deposited it in that location or whether it got there by chance ?? – How it got there does not change the fact that the evidence sample according to the writer was ‘ genuine’ and that the genetic profile matched the person who they were trying to locate.


Thanks for posting about the other article about the Indian girl, very sad case, I'll have a look see

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Tue 1 Jan - 21:55

I presume it was the FSS report, the facility has since been bought by an American Company. The FSS was considered so inept that many Police Stations had their own forensics Dept. The FSS destroyed samples sent by the PJ because they said "we were never asked to return them" ....says it all , a high profile case like that, but the PJ were equally culpable for not using another facility for a second opinion.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  cherry1 on Wed 2 Jan - 0:34

I dont understand how any samples could be destroyed in a case that has not been solved,
the samples should have been kept.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  matthew on Wed 2 Jan - 12:57

Were these items & others kept by the PJ ? unfortunately my Portuguese is at best awful...Ombragada do/doo



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/m/CAR.htm

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Wed 2 Jan - 17:13

matthew wrote:Were these items & others kept by the PJ ? unfortunately my Portuguese is at best awful...Ombragada do/doo



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Matthew have you got an automatic translation facility? I used to have one, Google, just clicked on a page but nothing happened,

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  matthew on Wed 2 Jan - 19:31


Matthew have you got an automatic translation facility? I used to have one, Google, just clicked on a page but nothing happened,[quote]

Beyond my capabilities

1st time whilst looking today i noticed a Michael Wright had hired(was a named driver) the scenic the 8th May ...it was not the MW from skipton though...was researching after seeing a tweet referring to a previous hirer of the scenic

Interviews of previous named drivers here if not seen before...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/59-DA-27.htm

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  cherry1 on Wed 2 Jan - 20:00

that is an interesting read and about what some of the journalists described as pests
were getting up to.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  Panda on Wed 2 Jan - 20:25

Matthew, glanced through but couldn't find the reference to Michael Wright. Avatar has just started, gonna watch it and come back later.x

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  cherry1 on Wed 2 Jan - 22:08

there is a reference here

13 Volume XIII Pages 3897 to 3900
13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3897

13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3898

13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3899

13_VOLUME_XIIIa_Page_3900

Witness Statement

John Brown

Date: 2007.10.05

I am the above named person and I write this statement in relation to a week I went to Portugal to play golf. I flew from Luton Airport, London to Faro, Portugal Airport on May 8th 2007. I went with my wife B*** B***, Michael WRIGHT a friend and his wife S*** W****, N***** R******, his wife J***** R******. It was a golfing holiday over four different courses. We all stayed with a friend out in the country. It was a villa belonging to D**** B*****. I have known him for 15 years. It is his privately owned villa. I booked my flights separately through EASy Jet. It is the first time I have stayed there with him. The only other time I have been to Portugal is approx 10 yrs ago. I usually go on holiday three times a year, this year I have been away four times in various locations, Egypt, Croatia, Devon and Portugal. I booked the flight myself. I booked the hire car online via the Easy Jet web page. I cant remember through whom. I hired this car in the spring time but I can't remember when. I booked it with two named drivers, myself and Michael WRIGHT. We both drove the car I hired at different times throughout the holiday. We used the car the transport some of the group to different courses for golf, restaurants and the villa. The only people to use or get in the car were myself, my wife, mr and mrs Wright and mrs R*****. No other person got into or used the car at all. To the extent that no one got into the car to even park it for us. the villa we stayed at was near Faro I believe. I collected the hire car upon arrival from the rental company at the airport in Faro and returned it to the same spot.


and another here

02 CARTAS ROGATIAS 2 PAGES 108 to 109
cr2_108

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IV - Interview to GERALD MCCANN's sister PATRICIA CAMERON - to be identified by the Requested Authority. She used the "Renault" vehicle, model "Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27 during the time it was rented to the arguidos (formal suspects). She should be asked the following questions :

(Note : The original text stated :
-------IV - Interview to GERALD MCCANN's sister-in-law SANDY - to be identified by the Requested Authority. She used the "Renault" vehicle, model "Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27 during the time it was rented to the arguidos (formal suspects). She should be asked the following questions :"
I have taken this as a reference error and as ALEXANDER JAMES CAMERON, (SANDY), has been requested to be questioned later in the Letter, I have presumed that the PJ requesting actually meant to refer to PATRICIA in the above request, as she also did attend the Rog Interviews for Interview)-------

* Have you ever driven this vehicle ?

* Who was with you ?

* When and where exactly did you drive to ?

* Do you have anything to report that you would describe as unusual when you drove the vehicle or travelled in it ?

* As far as you know, have the twins ever travelled in the vehicle ?

* Any further questions deemed useful, necessary or pertinent in view of the previous replies.

* Is there any further supplementary explanations that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth ?



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V - Interview to the additional drivers indicated by Gerald McCann on the rental contract for the vehicle Renault Scenic, 59-DA-27, as hereinafter identified.

* MICHAEL TERENCE WRIGHT, 13, PaXX AvXXXX, Skipton, N. Yorks - England :

* ALEXANDER JAMES CAMERON, 53, OxXXXX PlXXX, Dumbarton - Scotland




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Post  matthew on Wed 2 Jan - 22:24

* MICHAEL TERENCE WRIGHT, 13, PaXX AvXXXX, Skipton, N. Yorks - England :

* ALEXANDER JAMES CAMERON, 53, OxXXXX PlXXX, Dumbarton - Scotland

Another strange coincidence eh...the other MW had the initial G for his middle name

Hard to believe...but these had access to the scenic when the media pack following the McCanns were on their world tour...dont look there...look over here

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Post  Panda on Wed 2 Jan - 22:32

It was a villa belonging to D**** B*****.

Could this bw David Beckham? It would explain why he made a personal t.v. plea for information.

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  wjk on Wed 2 Jan - 22:40

matthew wrote:


1st time whilst looking today i noticed a Michael Wright had hired(was a named driver) the scenic the 8th May ...it was not the MW from skipton though...was researching after seeing a tweet referring to a previous hirer of the scenic

Interviews of previous named drivers here if not seen before...

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/59-DA-27.htm
Fancy that! My god, the coincidences in this case....

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Re: VIDEO: Was Madeleine's BODY in the McCann's car? Forensics - Part 3

Post  matthew on Fri 4 Jan - 21:49

Picked this up rom twitter...

PJ left 26-day gap in car-hire records. If they'd left any smaller gap, we'd 've known which days were crucial. I'll tell u anyway: 28/4-3/5

Have looked on the files & there is a gap...without records though,whos to say it was rented at all in this timeframe,interesting if the PJ do have withheld files...hopefully they can put them to good use soon

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