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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 6 Feb - 17:52

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cass wrote:one day this will happen and some mother will be telling the police in a none too polite way to do one -- thought they couldnt find any of madeleines dna in the appartment -- so where have they got a 100 percent match of madeleines dna from ?
Exactly cass.!!! they used Madeleine's Hair supposedly to give to the South African guy with the gizmo, but only brought a Pillowcase from her bed for the Portugese Forensic Dept. It is probably in Madeleine's bedroom which has presumably been unoccupied that they will get DNA samples from her toys, books etc. The FSS could not confirm Madeleine was in the Car because they couldn't isolate her DNA.

they could have got it from Maddies sticker book hadn't gerry mccann and ROB ripped the covers off it
Yes jd16, and what about the Sandals that Madeleine wore on holiday which were handed down to Amelie?. I always wondered why Gerry had to go home to find a DNA sample when there would be a lot in the Apartment , did kate wash Cuddlecat deliberately?

Well, yes, if the sandals carried enough of Madeleine's sweat to produce DNA traces in the hired car, why go to Rothley for the pillowcase?

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Post  Guest on Wed 6 Feb - 17:53

The absence of DNA has always defied belief.

It can only mean that Madeleine was never there in the first place or, if she was there, that considerable effort had been taken to erase all traces.

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Post  margaret on Wed 6 Feb - 18:18

The End Is Nigh wrote:The absence of DNA has always defied belief.

It can only mean that Madeleine was never there in the first place or, if she was there, that considerable effort had been taken to erase all traces.

It would also tie in with something happening earlier that week, before her DNA was left all over.

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Post  Karen on Wed 6 Feb - 23:38

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/2/6/219848/default/v1/pp-daily-express-1-329x437.jpg

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Post  Panda on Thu 7 Feb - 0:01

Karen wrote:http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/2/6/219848/default/v1/pp-daily-express-1-329x437.jpg
Thanks Karen, guess we will have to buy the Express tomorrow to read the article? I bought it today , for the crosswors etc and there was no mention of the Trial.

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Post  kitti on Thu 7 Feb - 7:30

No wonder the mccNns haven't proceeded with the libel case against mr amaral.......we have sightings coming out off our ears........

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Post  Panda on Thu 7 Feb - 8:58

kitti wrote:No wonder the mccNns haven't proceeded with the libel case against mr amaral.......we have sightings coming out off our ears........
Does anyone believe them though kitti? These "sightings" have been over-egged to such an extent that the public must be heartily sick of reading about the McCanns.

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Post  kitti on Thu 7 Feb - 9:28

The thing is.....some people DO believe it and it doesn't matter if they do or they don't....it proves that people are still looking and have been for the past 5 years and disproves that mr amarals book HAS hindered the search

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Post  margaret on Thu 7 Feb - 9:33

My highlight in bold, SY have already ruled it out. How do they know so quickly it's NOT Maddie?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376093/Madeleine-McCann-Police-ask-for-DNA-from-girl-in-New-Zealand

A DNA sample has been taken from a girl spotted in New Zealand who looks uncannily like missing Madeleine McCann.

By: John Chapman and John Twomey
Published: Thu, February 7, 2013
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The youngster is said to bear a striking resemblance to the little British girl – right down to a small eye defect just below her right pupil.

Scotland Yard has been alerted to several alleged “sightings” in the country’s southern region and simply wants to confirm the girl is not Madeleine.

The lookalike was mistaken for the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann on New Year’s Eve in Queenstown on the South Island.

After being traced by New Zealand police, she has voluntarily given the DNA test, which will now be sent to Britain.

A Yard spokeswoman said: “This is not a line of inquiry, but just to corroborate what police in New Zealand are saying we have requested DNA.”

The shop attendant who reported the possible sighting in Queenstown said a girl closely resembling the missing youngster entered her store with a dark-haired man on December 31.

The attendant added: “She had the same eye defect as Madeleine.

Only a very small percentage of the population have that and I was just staring at it the whole time. If my little girl was missing and if someone on the other side of the world was seen who bore any considerable resemblance, I would want it ruled out.”

New Zealand detective Senior Sergeant Kallum Croudis said: “Police will be sending a DNA profile to British police to confirm the identity of a girl who has been mistaken for Madeleine.”

He said his team was “absolutely satisfied” the child is not Madeleine.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from her family’s Portuguese holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007 as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant. She would now be nine years old.

The McCanns have been been trying to find her ever since and detectives have followed up on sightings across the globe. Scotland Yard have been reviewing evidence in the McCann case since May, 2011 after the couple made a direct appeal to Prime Minister David Cameron.

The Yard team believes there is a good chance Madeleine is still alive and in the hands of her abductors.

Madeleine’s parents, from Rothley, Leicestershire, made no comment on the DNA test.

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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 9:52

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Madeleine’s parents, from Rothley, Leicestershire, made no comment on the DNA test.



I think they'd be even more gob-smacked than us if there was a match!

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Post  Panda on Thu 7 Feb - 10:47

"The Yard team believes there is a good chance Madeleine is still alive and in the hands of her abductors."

Now I wonder who told the Express that?

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Re: DNA from Queenstown's 'Madeleine' to go to UK

Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 10:52

It's not exactly new, is it?

Just a rehash of tired old (and much chewed over) stuff.


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Post  Panda on Thu 7 Feb - 11:14

The End Is Nigh wrote:It's not exactly new, is it?

Just a rehash of tired old (and much chewed over) stuff.

Yes and with so much more news of importance around the World why do the Press continue to print article they know are not true.

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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 11:24

Two reasons:

First, sometimes the Journalist(s) sincerely believe what they write is based on truth

Second, it keeps the sensationalism minded consumers buying newspapers

The latter reason is why, when the worm turns, the very same Journalists and Newspapers will change tack brazenly and without shame.

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Post  Panda on Thu 7 Feb - 11:40

The End Is Nigh wrote:Two reasons:

First, sometimes the Journalist(s) sincerely believe what they write is based on truth

Second, it keeps the sensationalism minded consumers buying newspapers

The latter reason is why, when the worm turns, the very same Journalists and Newspapers will change tack brazenly and without shame.

Matthew Parris of the Spectator said that a long time ago . It was at the height of the Madeleine mystery and the Press were sycophantic towards the McCanns, printing everything Clarence gave them .Parris said if ever it was found that the McCanns were guilty the Press would be savage in their reporting.

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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 11:46

Good - but let them wait until after Justice has taken its course: We wouldn't want any Trial to be unfair, after all!

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Post  Karen on Thu 7 Feb - 12:18

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/internacional/madeleine-mccann-madeleine-maddie-nova-zelandia-mccann-tvi24/1417028-4073.html

All over Portugal as well, somewhere in this article it states that a certain man by the name of Graham reported to the authorities that a neighbour close to the McCanns apartment had been watching them and discarding cigarette butts in the garden - he collected the butts and ask the Police to examine them, he states this was NEVER done??

The article was read by my daughter and its pretty much of a muchness with regards to the "look-a-like" Maddie DNA.


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Post  almostgothic on Thu 7 Feb - 12:34

That will be the old Graham McKenzie story from way back.
Was dredged up in The Olive Press yet again last year (although they got the gender wrong).
Comments are worth a read.

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/08/09/missing-link-overlooked-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case/

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Post  Karen on Thu 7 Feb - 13:39

almostgothic wrote:That will be the old Graham McKenzie story from way back.
Was dredged up in The Olive Press yet again last year (although they got the gender wrong).
Comments are worth a read.

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/08/09/missing-link-overlooked-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case/

Yep thought he sound familiar - thanks for the link

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Post  Annabel on Thu 7 Feb - 16:57

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/07/madeleine-mccann-sightings-in-new-zealand-lead-to-dna-request.html


Madeleine McCann Sightings in New Zealand Lead to DNA Request
Feb 7, 2013 4:45 AM EST
New Zealand “Maddie” sightings prompt authorities to request a DNA sample from a young girl with similar markings to the abducted tot.

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Whenever someone calls the Queenstown, New Zealand, police to report that they’ve seen a little girl who looks just like Madeleine McCann, the 4-year-old Briton who disappeared from her parents’ holiday villa in Portugal the night of May 3, 2007, police know exactly whom they are talking about. They’ve been called to investigate a Maddie sighting five times in the last five years in the cities of Queenstown, Milton, and Alexandra, and each time they are led to the same young child, who not only shares McCann’s hair coloring and petite stature, but also has the same coloboma in her right eye. The last sighting was New Year’s Eve, when a store clerk in Queenstown reported that a peculiar man came into the store where she worked with a shy young girl who looked “just like Madeleine.” The police went on a five-day manhunt to chase down the little girl, whose parents are transient. New Zealand Detective Sgt. Brian Cameron issued a statement January 4 that police were “absolutely satisfied” that the young girl was not the missing Briton. “This was not the first occasion that someone had contacted the police remarking on the similarity between the two girls.”
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Kate and Gerry McCann hold an age-progressed police image of their daughter, Madeleine, during a news conference in May 2012 in London to mark the fifth anniversary of the girl’s disappearance. (Dan Kitwood/Getty)

But Scotland Yard wants to be sure. As part of the ongoing McCann case review called Operation Grange, which kicked off in May 2011, Metropolitan police want to test the New Zealand child’s DNA to make sure once and for all that she is not McCann. The DNA request has been accepted, but it will take several weeks before test results are complete and the young girl can be completely ruled out as a match.

Operation Grange, which has cost more than $4 million, according to British press reports, will be the definitive read on the case. Under the direction of Scotland Yard, homicide and child-kidnapping specialists are reviewing some 100,000 pages of documents, which contain more than 40,000 pieces of evidence used in the original investigation by Portuguese police. They are also following up on each new lead in the case, including the New Zealand sightings. On January 24, 2013, an English-language newspaper in Portugal reported that an investigative team from Scotland Yard had flown back to Portugal to follow up on several leads. They are meeting with Helena Monteiro, a new Portuguese investigator who was not involved in the original investigation and is reportedly considering reopening the case based on Scotland Yard’s finding of 200 lost threads in the investigation. Many of the forgotten leads deal with reports of active child-trafficking rings during the time McCann disappeared, with reports that children were being “stolen to order” across the region. In one case, several guests at the holiday resort reported seeing a strange man carrying a small child under a blanket late the night she disappeared. The Portuguese authorities at the time never followed up on the sighting, according to Met police familiar with the Operation Grange dossier.

Instead Portuguese police almost immediately suspected McCann’s parents, Kate and Gerry, and relentlessly pursued them as suspects during the weeks after the disappearance, often ignoring other leads. The couple had left young Madeleine and her twin siblings alone in the holiday villa while they dined at a nearby tapas bar a few hundred yards away on the resort grounds. The McCanns and their friends took turns checking on the children in half-hour increments, a move that would have given potential abductors an easy window to come in and swipe the child. Had they not been so precise and instead checked the children more randomly, the alleged kidnapping may have been averted. Finding no solid evidence tying the McCanns to the kidnapping, the Portuguese police cleared them and closed the case in July 2008.

But after a strong campaign by McCann supporters, British Prime Minister David Cameron opened the investigation and launched Operation Grange. So far the review has definitively closed many conspiracy theories in the case, but it has also renewed speculation that McCann may still be alive. Last year Scotland Yard has reviewed long-forgotten leads in Spain after a Gibraltar resident said she had reported seeing a young British girl with a German family at a Spanish campground in the days after the disappearance. The lead was never followed by the Portuguese cops, despite efforts by the woman who spotted the young girl. Other leads, including ties to a known pedophile, Raymond Hewlett, who was living in Portugal at the time and wrote a deathbed letter confessing he knew what happened to the young girl, were ignored and may never be laid to rest. Still, with every new sighting and the discovery of another old lead, McCann’s parents renew hope that they will find their daughter alive.
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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 17:06

Really poor article embodying many of the misleading and downright wrong unqualified presumptions of the early days.

The worst is the bald statement that Healy & McCann were cleared!

Absolute hogwash.

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Post  interested on Thu 7 Feb - 19:25

USA TODAY is running with the "news" - "Madeleine McCann lookalike's DNA to be tested".

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Post  pennylane on Thu 7 Feb - 19:54

The End Is Nigh wrote:Really poor article embodying many of the misleading and downright wrong unqualified presumptions of the early days.

The worst is the bald statement that Healy & McCann were cleared!

Absolute hogwash.

Not to mention a distorted account of the Smith family sighting, conveniently omitting that Mr Smith claimed he was 80% sure it was Gerry McCann he saw carrying a child that night; and also not mentioning that Goncalo Amaral wanted to follow this lead up but was taken off the case....

"In one case, several guests at the holiday resort reported seeing a strange man carrying a small child under a blanket late the night she disappeared. The Portuguese authorities at the time never followed up on the sighting, according to Met police familiar with the Operation Grange dossier."

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Post  kitti on Thu 7 Feb - 21:01

"The Yard team believes there is a good chance Madeleine is still alive and in the hands of her abductors."




That statement is absolutely crap.



Police officers had an idea when Sarah Payne was abducted that time was off the essence.


When she was missing for a few days the police suspected that the prospects off finding Sarah alive....was slim....and they were right.


So why is Madeleine alive after 5 years.


If she really had off been abducted I'm afraid she would be dead by now ...

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Post  dazedandconfused on Thu 7 Feb - 21:32

kitti wrote:"The Yard team believes there is a good chance Madeleine is still alive and in the hands of her abductors."




That statement is absolutely crap.



Police officers had an idea when Sarah Payne was abducted that time was off the essence.


When she was missing for a few days the police suspected that the prospects off finding Sarah alive....was slim....and they were right.


So why is Madeleine alive after 5 years.


If she really had off been abducted I'm afraid she would be dead by now ...

Makes you wonder what makes this case so special that they aren't stating publicly that there's little, if any chance of her still being alive. I can't get my head round why there's all this disinformation about, other than orders from above to keep the still alive myth going for whatever reason.

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