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What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  chrissie on Thu 7 Feb - 11:30

http://www.examiner.com/article/what-really-happened-to-madeleine-mccann?cid=db_articles

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains unsolved but the number of people who believe her parents covered up her death is vast -- and that number includes some well known people. Currently the McCanns are trying to have former solicitor Tony Bennett jailed for making the claims that they did something to Maddie before reporting her missing in 2007. He's awaiting the decision on whether or not he'll face trouble over his claims, but he says he is simply repeating the words of what hundreds of others have said online, in the media and in books.

Kate and Gerry McCann say that their campaign would be affected negatively by his words because people would be less likely to report potential sightings of the missing UK girl. However, it should be noted that there has always been public suspicion in their direction with or without the words of Tony Bennett. In fact, jailing him would do absolutely nothing to stop people from thinking the McCanns did something to Maddie. And why do people feel this way? The tidal wave of evidence against them is a good place to start.

Since the beginning of the search for Madeleine McCann officials in Portugal made it clear that Kate and Gerry were there focus -- especially when cadaver dogs hit on Maddie's scent in their rental apartment. In fact some of the areas 'hit' at by the cadaver and blood dogs tested very closely in DNA markers to Maddie, but they were too damaged to be admissible as evidence. Kate and Gerry McCann were declared prime suspects in the disappearance of the little girl -- which led them to promptly leave for the UK where they sought help. Since then, the case remains unsolved and their multi-million dollar campaign has done an excellent job at supporting them while year-after-year the hopes of finding Maddie decrease.

So what really happened to Madeleine? Is Tony Bennett right or are the McCanns totally innocent in this?


ETA: Credit to JH site where I read it.

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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 11:35

At last.

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Post  chrissie on Thu 7 Feb - 11:38

That's what I thought It is such a good article

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Post  almostgothic on Thu 7 Feb - 11:39

Well done Chelsea Hoffman!

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Re: What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 7 Feb - 11:43

East Midlands Today on iplayer (only 7 hours left) from yesterday evening.
Piece with TB outside court.
Can somebody here be able to download.?
Too techie for me!
Please try
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Post  Angelina on Thu 7 Feb - 12:19

With it being unlikely, due to evidence, that Madeleine McCann was abducted, there aren't many other theories left. Those theories all involve the death of the toddler in 2007, but how did she die, when did she die and who was ultimately responsible for her theoretical death? The following post will delve into the details of the evidence in this case (along with a couple clarifications and corrections) in hopes of building a solid theory of what happened to this "missing" child, and who might need to be investigated.




It's no secret that I am a fan of criminal profiler Pat Brown, and it's no secret that I have leaned more and more toward the probability that Madeleine McCann is dead. So, it shouldn't come as a surprise to find out that I agree with Pat Brown's assessment of this case. I've only had to do very, very light research to reach this conclusion.

I started out not really knowing a thing about this aside from the fact that there was a cute blonde child named Maddie McCann missing since 2007. I'm prolifically known for my coverage of missing persons cases and crimes against children as an advocate of justice for those who have no voice. This whole mess started on Twitter when someone who had been following my work mentioned that I should look at this case. So here I am thinking I'm going to find out that the dear parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, are just innocent pariahs.

I'm sorry but the known evidence in this case simply points to the likelihood that they either killed their daughter or covered up a horrible accident that ended her life. Still, let's list off some of the reasons why I've come to my own idea that Kate McCann could be England's version of Casey Anthony.


Kate and Gerry McCann claimed they would take a polygraph test at any point. It's interesting that when a media source offered to pay for a polygraph test, the two backed out of their promise. Why would supposedly innocent parents of a truly missing child back-out after swearing they'd take one of these lie detector tests? As far as I've been able to find, they've still not taken one.

It's reported that Don Cargill, the chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, had been in contact with the McCanns regarding the administration of a polygraph. However, Kate McCann submitted a list of "conditions" that would make giving the test impossible. In other words, it seemed like Kate would only take the test if the administrator only stuck to the questions she and Gerry would answer.

"Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth." -- Don Cargill.


Let's be clear here: People who have nothing to hide; people who are completely innocent; people who are not connected to the potential crimes committed: do not refuse polygraph tests, nor do they try to weasel their ways out of answering the questions that matter. In the United States, where the homicide rates are certainly higher than the UK and Portugal, it's rather general practice for the parents of a missing or murdered child to take polygraph tests. Our experts recommend it regularly, such as John Walsh of America's Most Wanted, who often reminisces that when his son Adam was abducted, he and everyone in the family immediately volunteered polygraph tests because they wanted to be cleared immediately so the crime could be investigated properly and justice could be served.

The point is simple: Refusing a polygraph makes you look guilty as hell. Period.


Kate McCann refused to answer all but one of 48 questions during the an interrogation after Madeleine was allegedly abducted. She was asked if she was aware that her refusal to answer questions would hinder the investigation and she acknowledged it. You can see the list of 48 questions right here. Now ask yourself, if your child was missing would you answer these questions if you were innocent of wrongdoing?
The McCanns and their friends have never been able to get their stories to fully mesh. None of them have been able to agree on when the adults checked on the children the night Maddie "was taken." Furthermore, they all refused to do a re-enactment to help in determining the direction in which the investigation was to travel. Why? Probably because none of them can get their stories right. A re-enactment would only further reveal the inconsistencies in their stories, I think.
In regards to the evidence discovered by two famed British scent dogs, the behavior displayed by Kate and Gerry McCann was suspicious to say the least. From the very beginning the two began attempting to discredit the findings. They even quoted a U.S. case where a dog was thought to be in error -- however, the McCanns didn't find it in their best interests to admit that the dog's findings were later proven correct! Oh, they had tons of excuses and reasons for why the blood and cadaver dogs hit in their Algarve vacation rental and the "boot" of their car. It was from diapers, or a cut from one of the twins, etc etc etc., She also washed the toy called "cuddle cat" before police were able to test it -- claiming it smelled of suntan lotion. Like Cindy Anthony cleaning away the evidence from the car driven by Casey Anthony, the woman was apparently washing away some kind of evidence.

The blood evidence found by scent dogs was tested and found to have an 88% match to Madeleine McCann. It's reported that 12% of the DNA was too damaged to determine. Now, does this mean that the DNA didn't belong to Madeleine, or did it? Groupies of suspicious parents of "missing" children tend to grasp for any possibilities that their "team" scores the points they want, so in the eyes of some 88% might as well mean 0% -- However, the 16 points taken from this 88% match did indeed match Madeleine's DNA. Unfortunately, 88% DNA match is apparently inadmissible, but it certainly lent to the direction of the investigation. Also, it should be mentioned that one of the dogs who found this evidence was a dog trained to specifically sniff out human cadaver oil. That means the scent that the dog picked up came from someone who was dead -- the oils released post-mortem. So, if this DNA being only 88% match to the missing child, was part of the "post-mortem" oil finds, then that blows the McCann's excuses out of the water and shouldn't be overlooked by investigators.Obviously the human cadaver oil certainly would not belong to Kate McCann or the twins! In fact, that is why I believe the DNA evidence most certainly is Madeleine's. She's the one who was missing, and nobody else died in the rental apartment in the Algarve. Period.

http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2012/05/who-killed-madeleine-mccann.html



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Post  Guest on Thu 7 Feb - 12:44

Another damning indictment - it seems there is a veritable tsunami of stuff right now that doesn't further Healy & McCann's cause.

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Post  LJC on Thu 7 Feb - 13:49

It's reported that Don Cargill, the chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, had been in contact with the McCanns regarding the administration of a polygraph. However, Kate McCann submitted a list of "conditions" that would make giving the test impossible. In other words, it seemed like Kate would only take the test if the administrator only stuck to the questions she and Gerry would answer.

"Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth." -- Don Cargill

Oh dear, if this is true I find it damming indeed.

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Re: What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  cass on Thu 7 Feb - 14:07

i dont think he should focus on kate or gerry -- you know what they say about weakest link --k@g are too strong -- id ask a tapas friend instead --that would be very interesting indeed

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Post  pennylane on Thu 7 Feb - 14:31

cass wrote:i dont think he should focus on kate or gerry -- you know what they say about weakest link --k@g are too strong -- id ask a tapas friend instead --that would be very interesting indeed

Yeh.... go see jane!

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Post  weissnicht on Thu 7 Feb - 14:37

LJC wrote:
It's reported that Don Cargill, the chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, had been in contact with the McCanns regarding the administration of a polygraph. However, Kate McCann submitted a list of "conditions" that would make giving the test impossible. In other words, it seemed like Kate would only take the test if the administrator only stuck to the questions she and Gerry would answer.

"Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth." -- Don Cargill

Oh dear, if this is true I find it damming indeed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-494765/Now-Kate-McCann-refuses-lie-detector-test-clear-name.html

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Post  margaret on Thu 7 Feb - 14:45

pennylane wrote:
cass wrote:i dont think he should focus on kate or gerry -- you know what they say about weakest link --k@g are too strong -- id ask a tapas friend instead --that would be very interesting indeed

Yeh.... go see jane!

I nearly spat my tea out!

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Re: What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  pennylane on Thu 7 Feb - 14:48

margaret wrote:
pennylane wrote:
cass wrote:i dont think he should focus on kate or gerry -- you know what they say about weakest link --k@g are too strong -- id ask a tapas friend instead --that would be very interesting indeed

Yeh.... go see jane!

I nearly spat my tea out!

I see you got the picture!

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 7 Feb - 15:53

chrissie wrote:http://www.examiner.com/article/what-really-happened-to-madeleine-mccann?cid=db_articles

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains unsolved but the number of people who believe her parents covered up her death is vast -- and that number includes some well known people. Currently the McCanns are trying to have former solicitor Tony Bennett jailed for making the claims that they did something to Maddie before reporting her missing in 2007. He's awaiting the decision on whether or not he'll face trouble over his claims, but he says he is simply repeating the words of what hundreds of others have said online, in the media and in books.

Kate and Gerry McCann say that their campaign would be affected negatively by his words because people would be less likely to report potential sightings of the missing UK girl. However, it should be noted that there has always been public suspicion in their direction with or without the words of Tony Bennett. In fact, jailing him would do absolutely nothing to stop people from thinking the McCanns did something to Maddie. And why do people feel this way? The tidal wave of evidence against them is a good place to start.

Since the beginning of the search for Madeleine McCann officials in Portugal made it clear that Kate and Gerry were there focus -- especially when cadaver dogs hit on Maddie's scent in their rental apartment. In fact some of the areas 'hit' at by the cadaver and blood dogs tested very closely in DNA markers to Maddie, but they were too damaged to be admissible as evidence. Kate and Gerry McCann were declared prime suspects in the disappearance of the little girl -- which led them to promptly leave for the UK where they sought help. Since then, the case remains unsolved and their multi-million dollar campaign has done an excellent job at supporting them while year-after-year the hopes of finding Maddie decrease.

So what really happened to Madeleine? Is Tony Bennett right or are the McCanns totally innocent in this?


ETA: Credit to JH site where I read it.

And there you go! Credit to JH again. Thank you JH for this article. You are much appreciated here.

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Post  MaryB on Thu 7 Feb - 16:19

I suppose the polygraph test isn't the type of test where the person being questionned sets the questions or refuses to answer the questions that don't suit them. Not exactly the purpose is it.

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Post  interested on Thu 7 Feb - 17:54

The comments on the Examiner website, for the most part, appear to be coming from U.K. residents bemoaning the fact that the British press are not giving the public all the FACTS.

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Re: What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  margaret on Thu 7 Feb - 18:40

chrissie wrote:

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains unsolved but the number of people who believe her parents covered up her death is vast -- and that number includes some well known people.

And who are these well known people? I can only think of that coronation street actress on twitter who said she thought it was suspicious and she was inundated with hatred from the pros.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Thu 7 Feb - 20:22

Yes I've certainly never heard of anyone well-known publicly doubting the McCanns.

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Re: What really happened to Madeleine McCann? - Examiner

Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 7 Feb - 23:08

An interesting article. Havent read that sort of perspective external to the usual for a long time.
Never heard of the examiner, is it widely read. Is it dinosaur media or a blog newspaper?
Either way happy to see neutral articles in the star and BBc more happy to see honest comment

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