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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  tigger on Wed 6 Mar - 12:33

C.Edwards wrote:
tigger wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:
C.Edwards wrote:
tigger wrote:

This is the list of photos - most of which were retrieved from the 'trash' in the camera. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm



Sorry, but how do you KNOW the bit in bold. Is it stated in the file? Does it have an annotation next to those photos stating, "recovered from 'trash' in the camera" (which, incidentally, doesn't exist on almost all digital cameras, let alone those in use in 2007. I certainly can't find any mention of such a feature on the Canon Powershot A620).


The little dustbin symbol (delete) is often referred to as 'trash'. Seen here on the CP A620


Thank you Ann-Chovey!. I have always been told that anything deleted - put in the trash bin on camera or computer is only stored there as minimal bytes so that it can be overwritten. The 'trash' still contains a lot of information until it is overwritten.

That answers nothing. That's a delete button. A digital camera does not have a "recycled folder" or "trash" areas as you are implying (tigger). As soon as you delete a file, that area of memory is fair game to any other photos being stored. There is no trash, no recycing bin, nothing like that whatsoever. You are confusing computer technology with camera technology. Computers move "deleted" (unless you permanently delete) files and folders into a reserved area of memory from where the untouched files can be recovered. Once permanently deleted they can still be recovered, but only by deep scan technology that looks for file patterns matching known types, hence you can do an "undelete" on any files that are on a memory card that have not been partially or wholly overwritten by data from other photos taken since the deletion.

I ask again. How do you KNOW that "most" of those photos were retrieved from a non-existent feature on the camera? Is it written anywhere that you can refer to or do you concede that you have no proof of 150 deleted photos and that most of the photos in the file were recovered from the camera's "trash"?

I'm sorry you're having trouble with this. It's the same on computer memories, deleting items does not destroy them until they are overwritten with new material.
The 'trash' icon is usually a dustbin or a waste paper basket. It can be seen near the top left button. For the rest I would read the reference which I gave in an earlier post.

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 12:44

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I'm sorry you're having trouble with this. It's the same on computer memories, deleting items does not destroy them until they are overwritten with new material.
The 'trash' icon is usually a dustbin or a waste paper basket. It can be seen near the top left button. For the rest I would read the reference which I gave in an earlier post.

I'm having no trouble with it at all, but your lack of technical understanding (deleted photos turn black and white, cameras have a "trash" area) is proving that you are, indeed, having trouble. I know all about what cameras and computers do with memory and photos. I've had several occasions on which I've had to use specialist software to recover both my and my friends' accidentally deleted photos. I am not disputing that photos, once deleted, are still on the card - I've already said that. What I am pointing out to you is that a delete button is nothing to do with a "trash" area which you are referring to as though it's analogous to a computer's recycle bin. It isn't. No such thing exists.

You still have provided nothing that proves:
a) 150 photos were deleted from the McCanns' camera and
b) most of the photos in the file were recovered from said "trash" area in said camera

Do so and I'll concede I'm wrong. Until then I will maintain that you are simply spreading unfounded rumours with no substantiation whatsoever.

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  T4two on Wed 6 Mar - 13:06

Apparently you don't have to be an expert to recover images deleted from a camera memory card.

http://www.cardrecovery.com/?rid=google&kid=cr0103

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  pamalam on Wed 6 Mar - 13:11

ALBYM’S NOTE AT TOP OF PAGE
They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual.

They were created for the PDF using what is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm


Albym does not mention that said images were from deleted section, just that they were created that way for the PDF.
Apologies if this is incorrect, but if someone can point me to the exact quote about deletion, I will then add it to the above page.

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 13:21

T4two wrote:Apparently you don't have to be an expert to recover images deleted from a camera memory card.

http://www.cardrecovery.com/?rid=google&kid=cr0103

I never said you did have to be. You certainly don't if they're recently deleted and not partially overwritten. If, however, they are partially corrupt then good luck with one of the "click and hope" recovery programs! They do work, just not all the time.

That's not the issue here. Tigger has repeatedly claimed "facts" which I believe are nothing of the sort and I'm just trying to be fair in attacking unsupported rumours on either side.

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  tanszi on Wed 6 Mar - 13:23


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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  tigger on Wed 6 Mar - 13:34


When pictures are *deleted* they remain on the card until that physical space is used again. This is why some deleted files can be recovered. The area is only tagged as being free to use again. It still has the old data on it, unless the user makes a complete format. A *quick format* still leaves the old files in situ. Some of the information may have been lost, in particular the color information, that is why the pictures can only be recovered in monotones.

Apart from that, please go through the PJ files,I gave you the reference. it's quite some time ago that I did. There was a letter from the person - I think it was in the UK - who analysed them. It's stated somewhere in there that due to the degraded quality of the images there was a certain amount of guesswork, as you can see when you consult the list of photographs. So many are tagged as 'adult with child' etc. Other photographs were from Payne and other friends who could be more easily identified. Don't ask me why, because I don't know.

It is clearly stated that no vestige of colour is left on the images - colour copies of extant photographs (i.e. published) such as the playground ones are displayed next to the black and white ones.


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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  tigger on Wed 6 Mar - 13:41

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
Examination of Video tape & Memory Cards
by DC Martin
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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law
543 to 548 Witness statement of Detective Constable Stuart William Martin 2007.05.09 and his analysis of film taken in PdL
TRANSLATIONS BY INES
08 03 Outros Apensos VIII vol III Pages 543 to 548
03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_543

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_544

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_545

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_546

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_547

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_548

(in English)
Hampshire constabulary

Witness Statement

Statement of: Stuart William Martin

Occupation: Detective Constable 1755

Date: 9th May 2007

1. I am employed by Hampshire Constabulary as a Detective Constable and am currently stationed in the Hi-Tech Crime Unit. I hold a Batchelor of Mechanical Engineering and Management degree from Liverpool university. My duties include the retrieval and examination of evidence from computers and other digital media and the investigation of computer crime. I have successfully completed two courses held by Guidance Software Inc in relation to their forensic software tools.

I have also successfully completed one course held by Access data Corp in relation to their forensic data tools.

2. On 8th May at 21.00 hours, the following was delivered to my home address by PC 178 Barham, requesting they be examined to establish if they contained pictures and video footage of a hotel complex in Praia da Luz.


ID ref Description
NALF/1 Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/2 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07


NALF/3 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07


3. Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 1)

On 9th May 2007 at 08.30 I delivered this video camera in the sealed bag number CD 48113 to the imaging unit at Hampshire Police Support headquarters, Netley for examination. I conducted no examination of this bag and contents.

4. 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 2) and 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07- 5/5/07 (NALF 3).

On 9th May 2007 I commenced my examination of a sealed plastic bag seal number CD48115 with two exhibit labels attached marked 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 2) and 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 3).

5. This bag contained a power lead and cable, a black camera case which contained an Olympus C50 camera and a memory cad holder which contained one card.

6. I identified NALF/2 as the memory card which was installed in the camera and NALF/3 as the card in the memory card holder.

7. NALF/2 is an Olympus XD 64 MB memory card number MXD64P3L922905RN9 0223 MAD.

8. NALF/3 is an Olympus XD 32 MB memory card number MXD32P3RO34505RN20235 MAD.

9. I imaged NALF/2 using Guidance Software Inc computer forensic software called Encase version 5.

10. I imaged NALF/2 using Guidance Software Inc computer forensic software called Encase version 5

11. I examined the data from the two cards and located 43 pictures in the live area of the two cards.

12. I produced these pictures as identification references SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

13. On checking the camera I found that the time and date was not set on the camera and it was recording the time and date as 0000 hours on 01/01/02. This did not change during the examination. None of the pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 have any created dates recorded. The last written time and date for each of them is recorded as 0000 01/01/02.

14. Last Accessed represents the date the file as last examined. Whether the Last Accessed Date is triggered depends on the nature of the examination. Opening a file will trigger the Last Accessed Date, as will looking at the file properties and browsing the file structure with Windows Explorer. Examining a file on 'write protected media' such as a floppy disk will not trigger this date, neither will examining a file on a compact disk or DVD.

15. Last Written represents the time and date that the contents of the file was last changed. The Last Written date and time is unchanged by the process of copying a file from one drive to another.

16. The creation date and time of the file is usually when it is written to the surface of the disk, subject to the accuracy of the computer clock that was used to perform this task. When this date and time is seen to be after the last written date and time it shows that the files has been transferred from another media.

17. Starting Extent represents the physical location of the starting cluster of the file.

18. Using my forensic software I was able to locate 73 pictures files in the unallocated clusters which had been deleted and were no longer accessible to the camera user.

19. I produce a report containing each of these picture identification reference SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

20. I produce a compact disk SWM/3019/44 containing pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 and report SWM3019/45. I have also copied the pictures and the folders as they appear on the cards, to this disk.

21. Unallocated clusters

22. Unallocated clusters are clusters on a drive that are not currently assigned to a file. Also called free space. A file may either occupy one or more clusters. The clusters that a file occupies are not necessarily contiguous. Some of these clusters may still contain data from files that have been deleted but not yet overwritten by other files.

23. When the data is extracted from the unallocated clusters there are not imes and dates or file names attributed to the data. My forensic software therefore saved the data in file format and named the files according to the location of the data within the unallocated clusters.

Statement taken by: Self

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 13:44

tigger wrote:
When pictures are *deleted* they remain on the card until that physical space is used again. This is why some deleted files can be recovered. The area is only tagged as being free to use again. It still has the old data on it, unless the user makes a complete format. A *quick format* still leaves the old files in situ. Some of the information may have been lost, in particular the color information, that is why the pictures can only be recovered in monotones.

Apart from that, please go through the PJ files,I gave you the reference. it's quite some time ago that I did. There was a letter from the person - I think it was in the UK - who analysed them. It's stated somewhere in there that due to the degraded quality of the images there was a certain amount of guesswork, as you can see when you consult the list of photographs. So many are tagged as 'adult with child' etc. Other photographs were from Payne and other friends who could be more easily identified. Don't ask me why, because I don't know.

It is clearly stated that no vestige of colour is left on the images - colour copies of extant photographs (i.e. published) such as the playground ones are displayed next to the black and white ones.


That's all well and good, but still doesn't address a) your claim of 150 deleted photos and b) that "most of them" in the file were retrieved from those deleted or "trash"!

It's plainly obvious that the photos have been arranged mainly in 3s on A4 sheets which have then been (most likely) photocopied or scanned at (mainly) black and white level and not even grayscale. Grayscale images still allow lots of detail to be seen whereas black and white is just that. the pixel is black or white. In high contrast images you can still see details in low contrast, you can't.

You seem to be mistaking printed out and rescanned images for something coming directly from the camera. They're not. The images included have been either stuck on sheets of A4 physically or printed onto paper in small groups. There's no degradation there and in the original files held by the PJ they'd be perfectly legible and in colour. The scanning/copying process is what has created the no-detail black and white images.

So - do you concede there is no evidence for 150 deleted photos and no evidence that the photos in the file are "mostly" from these allegedly deleted photos?

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 13:47

That report is all very interesting I'm sure, but it refers to an Olympus C50. The McCanns had a canon powershot A620...

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  T4two on Wed 6 Mar - 13:59

C.Edwards wrote:That report is all very interesting I'm sure, but it refers to an Olympus C50. The McCanns had a canon powershot A620...

Splitting hairs comes to mind.

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  kitti on Wed 6 Mar - 14:01

Where were the pictures off the outing to the beach ...ice-cream day?


Why are there no pictures off the Mccanns and children after the day they got there?

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  tigger on Wed 6 Mar - 14:04

T4two wrote:
C.Edwards wrote:That report is all very interesting I'm sure, but it refers to an Olympus C50. The McCanns had a canon powershot A620...

Splitting hairs comes to mind.

I'm quite willing to concede that 73 of the 155 photographs of this list http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
were on other cameras. However, the remaining ones are from the camera belonging to the McCanns.
All 155 - except those who have the extant version next to them, i.e. the colour copy are in the condition as described - in unallocated clusters due to deletion.
You wouldn't need forensic software to retrieve photographs from a memory card.


At least - Boots doesn't offer this as part of the service....

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  pamalam on Wed 6 Mar - 14:12

tigger wrote:OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
Examination of Video tape & Memory Cards
by DC Martin
Sitemap
This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law
543 to 548 Witness statement of Detective Constable Stuart William Martin 2007.05.09 and his analysis of film taken in PdL
TRANSLATIONS BY INES
08 03 Outros Apensos VIII vol III Pages 543 to 548
03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_543

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_544

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_545

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_546

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_547

03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_548

(in English)
Hampshire constabulary

Witness Statement

Statement of: Stuart William Martin

Occupation: Detective Constable 1755

Date: 9th May 2007

1. I am employed by Hampshire Constabulary as a Detective Constable and am currently stationed in the Hi-Tech Crime Unit. I hold a Batchelor of Mechanical Engineering and Management degree from Liverpool university. My duties include the retrieval and examination of evidence from computers and other digital media and the investigation of computer crime. I have successfully completed two courses held by Guidance Software Inc in relation to their forensic software tools.

I have also successfully completed one course held by Access data Corp in relation to their forensic data tools.

2. On 8th May at 21.00 hours, the following was delivered to my home address by PC 178 Barham, requesting they be examined to establish if they contained pictures and video footage of a hotel complex in Praia da Luz.


ID ref Description
NALF/1 Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/2 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07


NALF/3 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07


3. Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 1)

On 9th May 2007 at 08.30 I delivered this video camera in the sealed bag number CD 48113 to the imaging unit at Hampshire Police Support headquarters, Netley for examination. I conducted no examination of this bag and contents.

4. 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 2) and 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07- 5/5/07 (NALF 3).

On 9th May 2007 I commenced my examination of a sealed plastic bag seal number CD48115 with two exhibit labels attached marked 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 2) and 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 3).

5. This bag contained a power lead and cable, a black camera case which contained an Olympus C50 camera and a memory cad holder which contained one card.

6. I identified NALF/2 as the memory card which was installed in the camera and NALF/3 as the card in the memory card holder.

7. NALF/2 is an Olympus XD 64 MB memory card number MXD64P3L922905RN9 0223 MAD.

8. NALF/3 is an Olympus XD 32 MB memory card number MXD32P3RO34505RN20235 MAD.

9. I imaged NALF/2 using Guidance Software Inc computer forensic software called Encase version 5.

10. I imaged NALF/2 using Guidance Software Inc computer forensic software called Encase version 5

11. I examined the data from the two cards and located 43 pictures in the live area of the two cards.

12. I produced these pictures as identification references SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

13. On checking the camera I found that the time and date was not set on the camera and it was recording the time and date as 0000 hours on 01/01/02. This did not change during the examination. None of the pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 have any created dates recorded. The last written time and date for each of them is recorded as 0000 01/01/02.

14. Last Accessed represents the date the file as last examined. Whether the Last Accessed Date is triggered depends on the nature of the examination. Opening a file will trigger the Last Accessed Date, as will looking at the file properties and browsing the file structure with Windows Explorer. Examining a file on 'write protected media' such as a floppy disk will not trigger this date, neither will examining a file on a compact disk or DVD.

15. Last Written represents the time and date that the contents of the file was last changed. The Last Written date and time is unchanged by the process of copying a file from one drive to another.

16. The creation date and time of the file is usually when it is written to the surface of the disk, subject to the accuracy of the computer clock that was used to perform this task. When this date and time is seen to be after the last written date and time it shows that the files has been transferred from another media.

17. Starting Extent represents the physical location of the starting cluster of the file.

18. Using my forensic software I was able to locate 73 pictures files in the unallocated clusters which had been deleted and were no longer accessible to the camera user.

19. I produce a report containing each of these picture identification reference SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43.

20. I produce a compact disk SWM/3019/44 containing pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 and report SWM3019/45. I have also copied the pictures and the folders as they appear on the cards, to this disk.

21. Unallocated clusters

22. Unallocated clusters are clusters on a drive that are not currently assigned to a file. Also called free space. A file may either occupy one or more clusters. The clusters that a file occupies are not necessarily contiguous. Some of these clusters may still contain data from files that have been deleted but not yet overwritten by other files.

23. When the data is extracted from the unallocated clusters there are not imes and dates or file names attributed to the data. My forensic software therefore saved the data in file format and named the files according to the location of the data within the unallocated clusters.

Statement taken by: Self


I have now put a link on this page
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

Leading to


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIDEO_MEMORY.htm




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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 14:16

tigger wrote:
T4two wrote:
C.Edwards wrote:That report is all very interesting I'm sure, but it refers to an Olympus C50. The McCanns had a canon powershot A620...

Splitting hairs comes to mind.

I'm quite willing to concede that 73 of the 155 photographs of this list http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
were on other cameras. However, the remaining ones are from the camera belonging to the McCanns.
All 155 - except those who have the extant version next to them, i.e. the colour copy are in the condition as described - in unallocated clusters due to deletion.
You wouldn't need forensic software to retrieve photographs from a memory card.


At least - Boots doesn't offer this as part of the service....

He found 43 pics "live" and 73 "deleted". That's 116 pics in total from someone's camera. No idea whose, have you? Who had a C50? The Paynes? So which came from the McCanns' camera? Where is the evidence that the McCanns deleted 150 pictures as you stated as fact?

Also this: "All 155 - except those who have the extant version next to them, i.e. the colour copy are in the condition as described - in unallocated clusters due to deletion" is 100% wrong. I already explained this to you. They are black and white/grayscale due to the scanning process, not because they were deleted!

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  margaret on Wed 6 Mar - 14:51

tigger wrote:

I'm quite willing to concede that 73 of the 155 photographs of this list http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
were on other cameras. However, the remaining ones are from the camera belonging to the McCanns.
All 155 - except those who have the extant version next to them, i.e. the colour copy are in the condition as described - in unallocated clusters due to deletion.



When you say about the colour copy do you mean the black and white images you linked to? I agree that is not the condition they are actually in, it's due to them being photocopied. Sorry but for me l can't see anything to suggest they were deleted because we have seen SOME of those photos in their proper coloured state - the one of Maddie coming out of the summer house for example, how could they do that if they were only B&W as you say?



ETA: Sorry l can see where 73 were classed as deleted, but it would be good if it said when they were deleted, on what exact date. Plus if he WAS able to access them at all??

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Re: The Last Photo (again)

Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 15:03

margaret wrote:
tigger wrote:

I'm quite willing to concede that 73 of the 155 photographs of this list http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm
were on other cameras. However, the remaining ones are from the camera belonging to the McCanns.
All 155 - except those who have the extant version next to them, i.e. the colour copy are in the condition as described - in unallocated clusters due to deletion.



When you say about the colour copy do you mean the black and white images you linked to? I agree that is not the condition they are actually in, it's due to them being photocopied. Sorry but for me l can't see anything to suggest they were deleted because we have seen SOME of those photos in their proper coloured state - the one of Maddie coming out of the summer house for example, how could they do that if they were only B&W as you say?



ETA: Sorry l can see where 73 were classed as deleted, but it would be good if it said when they were deleted, on what exact date. Plus if he WAS able to access them at all??

I dare say if I examined my current memory card there'd be hundred of deleted photos on there dating back months if not years. A quick format doesn't delete them as we know. The 73 pictures could be completely irrelevant. I think tigger has made an inaccurate claim and hasn't been able to substantiate it unless there is evidence that hasn't yet been presented?

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Post  pamalam on Wed 6 Mar - 15:05

Just my opinion, but I now Know that some images were deleted.
As proof we have.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIDEO_MEMORY.htm


But I am still unconvinced that the images on
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

is part of the deleted images.

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Post  jd16 on Wed 6 Mar - 15:26

13. On checking the camera I found that the time and date was not set on the camera and it was recording the time and date as 0000 hours on 01/01/02. This did not change during the examination. None of the pictures SWM/3019/01 to SWM/3019/43 have any created dates recorded. The last written time and date for each of them is recorded as 0000 01/01/02.
How come the last photo has a date/time of 3rd May 2007 at 14.29pm on it?

Maybe because.....

16. The creation date and time of the file is usually when it is written to the surface of the disk, subject to the accuracy of the computer clock that was used to perform this task. When this date and time is seen to be after the last written date and time it shows that the files has been transferred from another media.

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Post  C.Edwards on Wed 6 Mar - 15:40

Sorry guys, you have to be precise here. The McCanns had a Powershot A620, that report is talking about an Olympus C50. It's not the same camera and furthermore the "deleted photos" could be from ages ago, they stay on the card for a long, long, time (until the memory is properly formatted or overwritten by another picture).
There is categorically no evidence that suggests the McCanns deleted 150 pictures as tigger stated.

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Post  ann_chovey on Wed 6 Mar - 16:06



"Kate took the photo of Madeleine at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm. Less than eight hours later, before 10pm that night, Madeleine disappeared."

presumably the date was correct.

the Olympus on the other hand shows .......On checking the camera I found that the time and date was not set on the camera and it was recording the time and date as 0000 hours on 01/01/02.

So am I right in thinking that the time and date had never been set on this 5 year old camera. If not why not, someone not very techy?

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Post  Guest on Wed 6 Mar - 16:28

ann_chovey wrote:

So am I right in thinking that the time and date had never been set on this 5 year old camera. If not why not, someone not very techy?


Mines like that - As I don't use it very often, I take out the batteries (Else they leak).

Although the Camera will hold Date/Time for a short while (Not sure exactly how long) without Batteries, eventually it'll "forget".

And I really can't be bothered setting it again when I do insert Batteries!

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Post  Angelina on Wed 6 Mar - 16:29

The End Is Nigh wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:

So am I right in thinking that the time and date had never been set on this 5 year old camera. If not why not, someone not very techy?


Mines like that - As I don't use it very often, I take out the batteries (Else they leak).

Although the Camera will hold Date/Time for a short while (Not sure exactly how long) without Batteries, eventually it'll "forget".

And I really can't be bothered setting it again when I do insert Batteries!

Same here. If not setting the date is a crime then God help us.

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Post  tigger on Wed 6 Mar - 16:37

pamalam wrote:Just my opinion, but I now Know that some images were deleted.
As proof we have.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIDEO_MEMORY.htm


But I am still unconvinced that the images on
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

is part of the deleted images.

thank you for that, I think the confusion lies in the files withheld by the PJ. If there is such a detailed file re the Olympic camera etc. there certainly should be a similar one regarding the Canon.

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Post  ann_chovey on Wed 6 Mar - 16:42

Angelina wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:

So am I right in thinking that the time and date had never been set on this 5 year old camera. If not why not, someone not very techy?


Mines like that - As I don't use it very often, I take out the batteries (Else they leak).

Although the Camera will hold Date/Time for a short while (Not sure exactly how long) without Batteries, eventually it'll "forget".

And I really can't be bothered setting it again when I do insert Batteries!

Same here. If not setting the date is a crime then God help us.

Ah, thanks for that, I never knew. I use both my cameras nearly every day so never take out the batteries.


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