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Post  Panda on Mon 20 May - 6:11

Madeleine Suspects 'Not Fully Investigated'


Some suspects identified by Scotland Yard in the hunt for
Madeleine McCann had been questioned before but not investigated fully.



12:46am UK,
Monday 20 May 2013

Madeleine was almost four when she went
missing


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By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent, Praia da Luz,
Portugal


Known paedophiles, holidaymakers and Ocean Club staff are thought
to be among the dozen suspects identified in a Scotland Yard review of the
Madeleine McCann case.


Some of them at least have been questioned in the original Portuguese police
investigation, but dismissed without being fully investigated.


A source said: "British detectives on the McCann review have had major
problems because the Portuguese police did not record reasons for not pursuing
leads.


"They would just record 'no further action' without any explanation or
justification."
The apartment building where Madeleine
disappeared

Another source said that cell-site analysis of suspects' mobile phones, which
is standard practice in all crime cases, was not done fully. That may have
allowed Madeleine's abductor to avoid arrest.


Scotland Yard believes it has unearthed enough clues to justify the
Portuguese authorities re-opening their investigation which was abandoned 15
months after Madeleine vanished.


Portugal's new Attorney-General Joana Marques Vidal has so far refused to do
so, but as a lawyer who specialises in child protection, she may eventually be
more willing than her predecessor.


Madeleine disappeared from the bedroom of the ground floor apartment that she
was sharing with her brother and sister Sean and Amelie, who are twins, on the
evening of May 3, 2007. It was just days before her fourth birthday.


Her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, had been enjoying a holiday meal with
friends at a tapas restaurant just 130 yards away in the resort of Praia da
Luz.

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Post  almostgothic on Mon 20 May - 11:06

Maddie’s kidnapper may still live here
Brit expats fear he is 'one of us'

WORRIED expats told last night of their fears that Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper is still living among them in Portugal.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4934650/maddie-kidnapper-portugal.html#ixzz2TpCeMJGN

Well if the fake kidnapper IS still amongst them he's keeping himself very much to himself.
You'd think he would have been compulsively repeating his crimes in the area, as yer typical psychopaths do - but no, apparently not in this case.
Of course, he could have been hiding away all this time in his Dr Evil-style lair in the lawless hills, where even super-sleuths Edgar and Cowley (the orange grove gumshoes) couldn't find him.
But he'd have to come out sometime - even a weird, dastardly fake abductor has to eat ......


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Post  mossman on Mon 20 May - 11:23

almostgothic wrote: Maddie’s kidnapper may still live here
Brit expats fear he is 'one of us'

WORRIED expats told last night of their fears that Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper is still living among them in Portugal.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4934650/maddie-kidnapper-portugal.html#ixzz2TpCeMJGN

Well if the fake kidnapper IS still amongst them he's keeping himself very much to himself.
You'd think he would have been compulsively repeating his crimes in the area, as yer typical psychopaths do - but no, apparently not in this case.
Of course, he could have been hiding away all this time in his Dr Evil-style lair in the lawless hills, where even super-sleuths Edgar and Cowley (the orange grove gumshoes) couldn't find him.
But he'd have to come out sometime - even a weird, dastardly fake abductor has to eat ......




He might be very busy, there is lots to do in PDL, jogging, tennis, quiz nights.


I would recommend Scotland Yard contact a very clever man, by the name of Amaral. I have no doubt he can immediately tell them why "no further action" was noted next to so many people in the files.

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Post  kitti on Mon 20 May - 12:14

And Madeleine is where for the past 6 years with this ex pat ...locked up in the cellar?

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On re-opening the case... or rather 'unshelving' it.

Post  comperedna on Mon 20 May - 12:40

"Portugal's new Attorney-General Joana Marques Vidal has so far refused to do
so, but as a lawyer who specialises in child protection, she may eventually be
more willing than her predecessor."

This bit from Brunty's report I did not know. Surely the disappearance of an almost four year old without trace might well give a woman with such a background of work experience cause to open it up?

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Post  Keela on Mon 20 May - 13:40

So now every ex-pat is going to be eyeing each other up wondering if they are the "one". Well I know I'm not and neither is my hubby!!!!

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Post  Panda on Mon 20 May - 14:30

SY obviously released this trying to make us think they have done a good job and by letting it be known that there are 20 "possible people" they want to interview. What happened to Redwood's...the Senior Detective on this case......claim that 195 possible leads ????

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Post  fred on Mon 20 May - 14:32

No doubt the next step from SY will be "Well we have given the Portuguese authorities a lot of leads, now it is up to them to re-open the case"
A cover up/whitewash for sure.

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Post  Panda on Mon 20 May - 15:40

fred wrote:No doubt the next step from SY will be "Well we have given the Portuguese authorities a lot of leads, now it is up to them to re-open the case" A cover up/whitewash for sure.
fred, it really annoys me , I hope Cameron is castigated for odering the review, had  SY conceded they had found no evidence that had not been investigated our relationship with Portugal would have improved and the McCanns and Cameron would have been critcised by thhe Press for the wasste of money. , a plague on all your houses I say.

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Post  chrissie on Mon 20 May - 16:06

Panda wrote:SY obviously released this trying to make us think they have done a good job and by letting it be known that there are 20 "possible people" they want to interview. What happened to Redwood's...the Senior Detective on this case......claim that 195 possible leads ????
Maybe they started off with 195 and whittled it down to 20? (or whatever the current number is)

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Post  cass on Mon 20 May - 16:14

talking of cleaning -- ok im thinking out load now - ive watched many a crime docco and science is a wonderful thing -new things everyday and ways of finding facts out at a later date - even flecks of paint very very small can be traced and make of car that kind of thing traced -- now regarding cleaners and cleaning -- wonder if samples were ever taken of the cleaning products used in 5a and surrounding areas of oc -- it goes without saying that these cleaners will all be issued with the same sparys and products in them - if a unknown cleaning product is traced wouldnt they be asking why was it used and why - also the owner of appartment they should know what products they store in the cuboards and where they buy them from

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Post  Panda on Mon 20 May - 16:21

chrissie wrote:
Panda wrote:SY obviously released this trying to make us think they have done a good job and by letting it be known that there are 20 "possible people" they want to interview. What happened to Redwood's...the Senior Detective on this case......claim that 195 possible leads ????
Maybe they started off with 195 and whittled it down to 20? (or whatever the current number is)
Didn't Redwood also say it was possible Madeleine is alive?? chrissie, if SY really thought these people were of real interest don't you think if they were British SY would have asked to interview them ? They have managed to find out that one is with a different Partner and may not be willing to be interviewed , I assume he/she is English so the Portugese would welcome such an arrangement, they didn't mind the Leicester Police interviewing (if that is the right word, the questions were laughable ) the English.

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Post  Panda on Mon 20 May - 16:24

cass wrote:talking of cleaning -- ok im thinking out load now - ive watched many a crime docco and science is a wonderful thing -new things everyday and ways of finding facts out at a later date - even flecks of paint very very small can be traced and make of car that kind of thing traced -- now regarding cleaners and cleaning -- wonder if samples were ever taken of the cleaning products used in 5a and surrounding areas of oc -- it goes without saying that these cleaners will all be issued with the same sparys and products in them - if a unknown cleaning product is traced wouldnt they be asking why was it used and why - also the owner of appartment they should know what products they store in the cuboards and where they buy them from
Hi cass, I think the Apartments were cleaned by OC Staff so it is likely that there were none in the Apartment, however, if Kate did clean the Apartment she might have bought the cleaning materials from the Minimarket , but wouldn't this have been checked out by Forensics ?

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Post  cass on Mon 20 May - 18:28

panda hi -- well you would have thought so - pj taking samples etc -- but as no dna or anything was found of madeleine they have to think omg - has there ever been a scene like this -- 3 tots and 2 adults all there and nothing -- now these workers in hotels work very hard indeed sometimes they might put say 2 maybe 3 in one room and whoosh through it clean -- but not deep enough chemicals to stop dna -- what if there was samples of bleach and tested at a later date -- whys there bleach being used in this appartment and no other kind of thing -- the press printing cleaners as in domestic staff has a meaning behind the headline imo

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Post  fred on Mon 20 May - 18:54

Panda wrote:
cass wrote:talking of cleaning -- ok im thinking out load now - ive watched many a crime docco and science is a wonderful thing -new things everyday and ways of finding facts out at a later date - even flecks of paint very very small can be traced and make of car that kind of thing traced -- now regarding cleaners and cleaning -- wonder if samples were ever taken of the cleaning products used in 5a and surrounding areas of oc -- it goes without saying that these cleaners will all be issued with the same sparys and products in them - if a unknown cleaning product is traced wouldnt they be asking why was it used and why - also the owner of appartment they should know what products they store in the cuboards and where they buy them from
Hi cass, I think the Apartments were cleaned by OC Staff so it is likely that there were none in the Apartment, however, if Kate did clean the Apartment she might have bought the cleaning materials from the Minimarket , but wouldn't this have been checked out by Forensics ?

When I stayed there, there was a bucket under the sink with basic cleaning stuff in, ie. botle of washing up liquid, scourer, bleach, duster, couple of dishwasher tablets etc. These are self catering flats and have enough stuff for people to keep going until the shops open. The flats are cleaned, beds made by the OC cleaners, but basic stuff like pot washing, laundry etc is down to the guests.
sic

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The mysterious couple /Unterdenteppichgekehrt

Post  Annabel on Mon 20 May - 19:21

http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/2013/05/the-mysterious-couple.html?spref=tw

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 20 May - 20:47

Annabel wrote:http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/2013/05/the-mysterious-couple.html?spref=tw

Another excellent post! I'd leave a comment but I don't speak any German and I don't know what the two words are below the dialogue box! Any assistance appreciated!

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Post  Chris on Mon 20 May - 21:33

AnnaEsse wrote:
Annabel wrote:http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/2013/05/the-mysterious-couple.html?spref=tw

Another excellent post! I'd leave a comment but I don't speak any German and I don't know what the two words are below the dialogue box! Any assistance appreciated!

Mine is rusty by I would say "submit" and "preview"

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 20 May - 22:08

Chris wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Annabel wrote:http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/2013/05/the-mysterious-couple.html?spref=tw

Another excellent post! I'd leave a comment but I don't speak any German and I don't know what the two words are below the dialogue box! Any assistance appreciated!

Mine is rusty by I would say "submit" and "preview"

Thanks! As long as neither says "cancel" !!

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Post  Annabel on Tue 21 May - 6:19

http://www.anorak.co.uk/357218/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-the-couple-who-heard-a-child-crying-at-night-and-went-to-help.html/

weeping maddie Madeleine McCann: the couple who heard a child crying at night and went to helpIN “WHO SOOTHED WEEPING MADDIE, the Daily Express leads with a Madeleine McCann “exclusive”. It adds: “Police seek couple who entered McCann apartment when Madeleine was crying.”

This becomes:

Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Madeleine disappeared

The night before? A couple of strangers walked into the McCanns’ apartment where a child was crying the night before that child vanished? How does the Express know it was Madeleine who was crying? Three children were in the McCanns’ apartment.

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.

This looks like new news. James Murray adds:

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

Believed? By whom? Who did they tell?

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

Had she only have rang the police things may well have been different for Madeleine.

An unnamed source tells the Express that a couple also heard the crying and went to help.

Pamela Fenn has since died. In 2007, The Daily Mail reported:

Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below. But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was “absolute rubbish” she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: “I didn’t even know that family was in there.”

So. What Murray says is “already known” is “rubbish”.

Murray then does have some news. He says a couple, presumably the aforesaid “key witnesses” who had been staying in the same block as the McCanns, gave police a statement back in February. British police had previously spoken with them. Murray reproduces extracts from that statement. He also says the couple were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives. The statement tells us:

“I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police…

“We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

The couple had not seen anything suspicious:

“We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered. We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

Such are the facts…



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Post  Panda on Tue 21 May - 6:46

The supporters of the parents (or even in the blog writing the wrongs) wrote this is still in the Oktover last year, and I can without reservation agree to:

The libel case brought by Mr and Mrs McCann against Snr Amaral for libel has, it seems, stirred all of his supporters on the internet into something of a frenzy of anticipation. They seem to look forward, with ill-concealed glee, to certain imaginary aspects of the case being revealed in the British press that they mistakenly believe the couple would rather not be made public. It is, naturally, total nonsense. There are no skeletons in the McCanns’ closet waiting to fall, because they have acted with complete dignity and grace from the beginning, and have been completely truthful from day one. If they had not, who in their right minds would think their solicitor would allow them to put themselves in such an exposed position in the first place?
Thanks Annabel, this was taken from you post...........are they talking about us??

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Post  kitti on Tue 21 May - 7:51

Had she only have rang the police things may well have been different for Madeleine.


Mrs fenn. Getting the blame now....

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Post  kitti on Tue 21 May - 7:51

Will the mccanns sue the mrs fenns family!

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Post  tanszi on Tue 21 May - 12:12

someone else who has died and cannot confirm what is now being said, but there is her statement which seemed definite. jimo.

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Post  Guest on Tue 21 May - 14:14

I hope she comes back and haunts the whole bloody lot of them, and brings Maddie with her.

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