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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 8 Jul - 8:17

another:   

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-donal-macintyre-investigates-baffling-cold-case

Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann
Saturday 6th July 2013




Madeleine McCann


Donal MacIntyre at Praia da Luz


Maddie's apartment

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Sunday World investigative journalist Donal MacIntyre reports from Praia da Luz where he conducted a cold case review of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The new Police theory for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann corresponds to a review of the case  by the Sunday World cold case team   based upon the statements of the tapas seven and witnesses talked to on the ground which indicated that at least two people were involved in the abduction  who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction.

Our team concluded that such was the limited time for the kidnapping,  that the kidnappers must have entered the apartment to rehearse because they were working to an incredibly tight timetable.

Essentially, they were working on an abduction time frame of some three minutes which left no margin for error. It is clear that the kidnap must also have involved meant that culprits were very close to capture at a number of points but through pannning and luck managed to evade immediate suspicion on the evening of the abduction.

That evening having settled  Madeleine, then three, and their then two year old twins, Sean and Amelie, Gerry and Kate McCann had a glass of wine before heading off to the Tapas bar,  a minutes walk  away, to join their holidaying friends, Jane Tanner and her Partner, Russell O’Brien, Rachel and Mathew Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne and Diane Webster.

At around nine o’clock Gerry McCann left  the table and walked over to the apartment to check on the twins and Maddie.

He entered the apartment  and then went to the toilet. He checked on his children and savoured a proud father’s moment as he stood by the doorway looking into the back bedroom where they were all soundly asleep. The twins were in cots and Maddie in bed, holding her cuddle cat.

Gerry spends up to ten minutes in the five room apartment  and would only later reflect that he felt there was someone else there at the same time.

For the kidnap to have taken place   we must assume that literally a few minutes before Gerry arrived, the abductor walked along the public road by the apartment, opened the gate, walked up ten steps to the patio and then entered via the open patio doors. There is confusion as to whether these were open or not but if they were then this would have been the obvious entry point. The theory that the culprit has a key does not discount this entry because the suspect would take the easy route all the time.

At this stage the kidnapped could only have been a heartbeat away from being caught. But where could he have hidden?

Gerry walked through the front room, used the bathroom and looked in on the kids, but did he check his own bedroom or the kitchen?

The abductor was probably at that time in the children’s bedroom, possibly behind the door or crouching behind furniture.

During a dry run he or she would have found somewhere to hide, realizing that there was a strong liklihood of either Kate or Gerry returning  to check on the children. The Met believe that he had inside knowledge and they want the ex-employees of the complex and all the transient workers to be inteviewed again.

As Gerry  strolled out the patio doors, closing but not locking them, he left through the small vanilla gate facing the road where the adbuctor had entered just minutes before.

Just outside the apartment gate,  Gerry meets television producer, Jes Wilkins , on the way back to the Tapas Bar. The streets are silent other than for the murmer of their conversation. There is not another soul to be seen.

Back inside the apartment the abductor must have breathed a sigh of relief as Gerry departed but then realised his expected exit route was blocked.


So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie.

The front door was not an option because it could not be opened from the inside without a key unless he had a copy through an insider, also a new police line of inquiry.

Getting  Maddie away was the next problem for the perpetrator and in view of the lack of noise it is some substance was used to knock out Maddie probably, chloroform. The simple management of the abductaion and a little child with two other children in the room meant that  a second accomplice was essential to the abduction of Maddie.  

The abductor  inside the apartment  passed Maddie through the open window or door into the arms of the accomplice who spirits her away.

In the distance, around the side of the apartment, the voices of Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins waft through the air. Imagine the fear in the  kidnappers as they heard Gerry’s voice resonate through the balmy Algarve air as they stole away his precious daughter.

What trauma would Maddie McCann have suffered if, paralyzed by fear, or forcefully kept silent, she heard the garrulous Glaswegian voice of her Dad waft through the air while she was being bundled into the hands of dangerous strangers.

I have walked these streets and conversations down by the gate can be heard by the children’s bedroom window on still nights.

Unnoticed by Wilkins and McCann;  at the same time ( aprox 9.10pm ) Jane Tanner observes the two men, having a chat on the street outside the apartment. She walks past both men. She sees them but they don’t see her.

The kidnapper holding Maddie, retreats away from 5A and into the adjacent car park before heading right 20m away onto the public footpath where a short distance away downhill,McCann and Wilkins are still talking.

The accomplice makes his way out of the window and exits into the darkness.

By now the kidnappers must have thought they had got away with it, but in reality they were on the brink of being caught in the act.

Here the kidnapper holding Maddie was about to make a near fatal mistake. Despite hearing the voices of Madeline’s father a short distance away, he plans to cross the road junction just above them.

As he hit the footpath, he would have seen both men chatting;  and Jane Tanner heading his way – three potential witnesses to the abduction, including the father of the child.

The smart thing for the kidnapper to do would have been to cautiously look down the road from the corner to check who was on it –before making the crossing.

So why take such a potentially disastrous course of action?

Was he desperate to get to the getaway car parked nearby? More likely there could have been people walking around from the left and he did not want to pass them not realizing that by crossing the junction and into the light of a street lamp he was exposing himself to capture.

My belief was that he had to make a rendezvous with the getaway driver in a 4x4 if the latest police theory is true that Maddie was kidnapped by or for  a childless couple.

The seven seconds he took to cross the road was either well planed, foolhardy or a sign of breathtaking confidence, in any case,  the kidnapper never faltered and was never seen again.

Jane Tanner says that the man  was carrying a small child. She now believes upon reflection, that that man was carrying Maddie McCann. This is the theory supported by the Metropolitan Police and the McCann investigators and concurrs with our own cold case review.

It takes about 30 seconds to walk from the back bedroom window to the junction where Jane Tanner saw the kidnapper.

The Tapas seven gave detailed statements on when they check out and looked in on their respective children and these timings indicate  that there was a maximum of three to five minutes for the abduction to be executed and Maddie to be whisked away.

In such circumstances only good planning and co-ordination could make this child heist possible without being caught directly in the act.

It would be  an extraordinary effort,  with an astonishing degree of  luck beyond credulity to think that this could be achieved on a completely  opportunistic basis.

This is not the work of an opportunistic drifter. This abduction was interrupted by Gerry McCann‘s visit to check on his children.

Experts point out that  the execution of the kidnap, leaving little useable evidence suggests that it was a highly professional operation.

Such precision could either be the hallmark of fixated obsessive sexual predators but also of obsessive childless couples who may be so desperate to have children that they would abduct a child to fill the gap in their lives.

EXCLUSIVE: READ DONAL MACINTYRE ON THE LATEST POLICE THEORY IN THIS WEEK'S SUNDAY WORLD


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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 8 Jul - 8:51


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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  ann_chovey on Mon 8 Jul - 9:20






New 'old' news, again.






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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 8 Jul - 9:57

Consensus of opinion on another forum is that this is a spoof, a demonstration of how ridiculous the official story is.

I really do hope that this is so but there's a doubt in my mind because Donal M was until then only known for serious reporting.

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  T4two on Mon 8 Jul - 10:01

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Consensus of opinion on another forum is that this is a spoof, a demonstration of how ridiculous the official story is.

I really do hope that this is so but there's a doubt in my mind because Donal M was until then only known for serious reporting.

I doubt it's a spoof. The man continues his brainless stories which he has put out regularly since 2007.

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 8 Jul - 10:37

T4two wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:Consensus of opinion on another forum is that this is a spoof, a demonstration of how ridiculous the official story is.

I really do hope that this is so but there's a doubt in my mind because Donal M was until then only known for serious reporting.

I doubt it's a spoof. The man continues his brainless stories which he has put out regularly since 2007.

Always Donut misses out, omits, the FACT that he worked with Jes WILKINS on a series long before Jes was in PDL!
Why dosen't he tell us that he has asked his mate Jes exactly where he was standing when talking to McCann?

Jes tells us he crossed the road to stand on pavement right outside the gate to 5A.
Jes tells us Gerry has his back to the gate.
Yet Gerry tells us HE crossed the road to talk to Jes.
One or both HAS to be lying!
WHY?
And all before THEY knew anything had 'happened' to Madeleine!!

So go on Donut ask Jes Wilkins exactly where he was and tell us the answer he gives you!

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  margaret on Mon 8 Jul - 11:32

frencheuropean wrote:

Our team concluded that such was the limited time for the kidnapping,  that the kidnappers must have entered the apartment to rehearse because they were working to an incredibly tight timetable.

And you know why this is utter crap?  Because they would have taken Madeleine there and then, not risked another attempt at getting into the apartment without being seen.

Kidnappers don't rehearse - unless they would be taking someone for RANSOM.  If a paedophile took Madeleine - as her parents have always insisted - they they always take children by opportunity, or maybe someone can point out some cases where known paedophiles have selected their children going to the lengths above?  IMO it just doesn't happen.

If the kidnappers could hear Gerry and Jez talking why didn't G & J hear the shutters opening?  Works both ways.

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  tanszi on Mon 8 Jul - 11:54

old news being regurgitated, why? and who decided to republish it and did anyone give their ok on this. seems the media is being flooded with stories of how it could be everyone else, despite the request from the Met for restraint.

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  margaret on Mon 8 Jul - 12:21

tanszi wrote:old news being regurgitated, why? and who decided to republish it and did anyone give their ok on this.  seems the media is being flooded with stories of how it could be everyone else, despite the request from the Met for restraint.

Who is getting them published???  

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Panda on Mon 8 Jul - 12:30


I seem to remember this Guy was considered an oddball before. This snippet caught my attention.....I can just picture it. 

The new Police theory for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann corresponds to a review of the case by the Sunday World cold case team based upon the statements of the tapas seven and witnesses talked to on the ground which indicated that at least two people were involved in the abduction who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction"

"Several dry runs????

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 8 Jul - 12:35

Panda wrote:
I seem to remember this Guy was considered an oddball before. This snippet caught my attention.....I can just picture it. 

The new Police theory for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann corresponds to a review of the case  by the Sunday World cold case team   based upon the statements of the tapas seven and witnesses talked to on the ground which indicated that at least two people were involved in the abduction  who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction"

"Several dry runs????

ANd THIS:
"Back inside the apartment the abductor must have breathed a sigh of relief as Gerry departed but then realised his expected exit route was blocked.
So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie."

Several dry runs AND Mr paedo STILL has to contact his accomplice, who then risks being seen, to force the shutters up from the outside when Mr P was in the room and only has to raise the shutters himself by using the shutter raising cord IN the very room he is in!


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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Panda on Mon 8 Jul - 12:46

jeanmonroe wrote:
Panda wrote:
I seem to remember this Guy was considered an oddball before. This snippet caught my attention.....I can just picture it. 

The new Police theory for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann corresponds to a review of the case  by the Sunday World cold case team   based upon the statements of the tapas seven and witnesses talked to on the ground which indicated that at least two people were involved in the abduction  who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction"

"Several dry runs????

ANd THIS:
"Back inside the apartment the abductor must have breathed a sigh of relief as Gerry departed but then realised his expected exit route was blocked.
So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie."

Several dry runs AND Mr paedo still has to contact his accomplice, who then risks being seen, to force the shutters up from the outside when Mr P was in the room and only has to raise the shutters himself by using the cord IN the apartment!

On reflection jeanmonroe, maybe it is a bit of p*** taking. 

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 8 Jul - 13:42

It's a very scary thought if he was being serious!

As my son would say with a shudder "They walk among us".

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 8 Jul - 14:06

My last one on this

Why would Mr P have to cross any road carrying a child when all he had to do was get out of the window, according to donut, pass the child to his accomplice over the small wall, and into the waitng 4X4 (donut again!)parked in the car park, next to the small wall, totally out of sight of the tapas bar, due to there being a f**king great apartment building blocking any view, less than 5 feet away?

Back to basics, Donut!

There are more descrepancies in Donuts 'explanation' than in the T9's statements!

NO MORE!
The End.

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Post  marxman on Mon 8 Jul - 15:02

My belief it that this is a spoof, a mickey take of an unbelievable
theory. Why would abductors clean up after them?

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  Panda on Mon 8 Jul - 15:03

ann_chovey wrote:




New 'old' news, again.






What a load of Bull ann_chovey   Why should they go out through the window when the door was only feet away, and he got paid for this???

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 8 Jul - 15:07

OK one more:

They often say that "the criminal returns to the scene of the crime," don't they?
How many times has Donut been back to PDL?

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Post  Panda on Mon 8 Jul - 15:32

jeanmonroe wrote:OK one more:

They often say that "the criminal returns to the scene of the crime," don't they?
How many times has Donut been back to PDL?

Shame too, because he looks quite intelligent. LOL

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 8 Jul - 16:01

For me the article is ironical or the journo is completly illogical and stupid and I can't believe he is. But it's dishonest to pretend it's a new article when it is a recycled one.

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Re: Sunday world-6july 2013 ???Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann

Post  interested on Mon 8 Jul - 19:46

An "investigative journalist" would not begin an investigation by assuming the "abduction" theory put forward by the parents of the "missing" child. He should be following up on the alerts to cadaver and blood by British dogs trained to detect dead humans.

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Post  weissnicht on Mon 8 Jul - 20:39

UK paper have been going through the recycle bin, and found....tra traaaaaa...news gone bad a ready, but lets publish them anyway, sure nobody will notice.
Jeez, they are so pathetic.

Where is the duck smiley when you need one... and the donkey.. together.

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Post  SteveT on Tue 9 Jul - 0:31

Iris,

Yes, I can see many similarities, certainly on his understanding of reality!

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Post  jinvta on Tue 9 Jul - 0:49

marxman wrote:My belief it that this is a spoof, a mickey take of an unbelievable
theory. Why would abductors clean up after them?
 
Agreed. I thought this article was very funny, systematiclly discounting all of the ridiculous and impossible theories which much coincide in order for the adbuction to have taken place as the McCanns have claimed.
 
The only thing that would have made the article more humorous is if it stated that the childless couple, who was so desperate to have children, chose the eldest of three children to abduct to fill the gap in their lives.

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Post  interested on Tue 9 Jul - 4:25

As an investigative journalist, this guy would make a good plumber. (No disrespect to plumbers.)

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