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Post  interested on Fri 2 Aug - 20:50

New article from Jornal de Noticias can be found at www.mccannfiles.com

"All inquiries by the British authorities to the national authorities will be paid for with Portugese taxpayers' money. The Maddie case is the most expensive ever in Portugal."

Grrrrrr!

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Post  Loopdaloop on Fri 2 Aug - 23:25

interested wrote:New article from Jornal de Noticias can be found at www.mccannfiles.com

"All inquiries by the British authorities to the national authorities will be paid for with Portugese taxpayers' money.  The Maddie case is the most expensive ever in Portugal."

Grrrrrr!

Please expand on Grr?

the fact is the case was not solved within Portugal. If it had, money would not have been spent.
Granted there was political interference, yet Portugal is a sovereign country and made its decision to be swayed. Therefore any 'cost' is of their own making and they should live with that.

This is a huge case, one of the most famous in the world. I think all that is being done is value for money.

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Post  interested on Sat 3 Aug - 0:02

Loopdaloop wrote:
interested wrote:New article from Jornal de Noticias can be found at www.mccannfiles.com

"All inquiries by the British authorities to the national authorities will be paid for with Portugese taxpayers' money.  The Maddie case is the most expensive ever in Portugal."

Grrrrrr!

Please expand on Grr?

the fact is the case was not solved within Portugal. If it had, money would not have been spent.
Granted there was political interference, yet Portugal is a sovereign country and made its decision to be swayed. Therefore any 'cost' is of their own making and they should live with that.

This is a huge case, one of the most famous in the world. I think all that is being done is value for money.



You're right, I should have explained further. My frustration is with the McCanns and all the money donated by the public which has been spent, according to them, on dodgy 'defectives' and high priced lawyers while the good people of Portugal continue to be saddled with the expense of this case which would have been resolved if it hadn't been sabotaged by the government of the U.K.

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 5:07


I think the reason Portugal gave permission for Britain to make arrests is because they are justifiably p***ed of with the McCanns and Cameron for agreeing a review. Let SY rack up more expense is the right attitude for the Portugese. If Redwood does not come up with a suspect after all this the Press will have a field day .

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Post  Wintabells on Sat 3 Aug - 5:33

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Attorney General's Office has given the OK to Scotland Yard to investigate

Marisa Rodrigues
Published 01 August 2013

IT IS CAUSING BAD FEELING within the Judicial Police (PJ) - the coming to Portugal of British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, from the Algarve. The Attorney General's Office (PGR) has accepted the request for assistance, but the timetable for the Scotland Yard officers has not yet been scheduled. For now, the investigation continues to be archived, since 2008, because "there are no grounds to reopen it," said the PGR, to JN yesterday.

Once on Portuguese territory, the British police cannot carry out the measures they deem necessary. They are only allowed to observe what the Portuguese police do, at their request. And it is precisely this question that is leaving investigators angry. "They want to hear people who have already been heard at the inquiry stage and repeat other steps which were taken by us and were inconclusive. They are passing us a certificate of incompetence," complained an inspector who participated in the investigation, to JN. Another policeman recalls the "barriers" that were placed when the PJ requested assistance in the initial investigation. "The letter of request to conduct investigations in England had to be changed several times by imposition of the British authorities. We collaborate, but the opposite is not always there," he says. The public prosecutor will now have to assign the execution of the inquiries to a criminal police body. Most likely it's the PJ but, from what JN has found, nothing has yet been reported to the National Office [of the PJ].

PORTUGUESE PAY

38 "persons of interest"

Have been identified by Scotland Yard after reviewing the Portuguese case files, by more than 30 specialized English policemen at a cost of more than five million euros.

Expensive investigation

All inquiries requested by the British authorities to the national authorities will be paid for with Portuguese taxpayers' money. The Maddie case is the most expensive ever in Portugal.

"Base in Portugal"

According to the British press, the letter with the formal request for cooperation was signed by the Home Secretary, Theresa May, who spoke of "setting up a base" in Portugal.

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"They want to hear people who have already been heard at the inquiry stage and repeat other steps which were taken by us and were inconclusive. They are passing us a certificate of incompetence,"

Interesting statement - they want to interview people who've already been interviewed.... (so not new witnesses then).

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 5:58


Thanks Wintabells, very interesting .!!! Just what is going on in SY????? If they havn't received permission to question witnesses, why is Redwood being allowed to give interviews?

"The public prosecutor will now have to assign the execution of the inquiries to a criminal police body. Most likely it's the PJ but, from what JN has found, nothing has yet been reported to the National Office [of the PJ]."

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Post  bill516 on Sat 3 Aug - 9:09

Redwood is just shaking the tree to see if anything falls out before going to Portugal officially.

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 10:12

bill516 wrote:Redwood is just shaking the tree to see if anything falls out before going to Portugal officially.

Hi Bill, seems to me as if the Portugese are miffed because Redwood is boasting that they have 38 people of "interest"...so everyone will say, why didn't the Portugese spot them . Stuart Prior got too close to the McCanns as well, he famously told Rachel Mapilly that "no useful purpose would be served" by having a recon.!!

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Post  tanszi on Sat 3 Aug - 12:32

I think "call me Stu" was dazzled by the contacts of the Mcs, the pink and and the wrong held kudos of doctors. lets face it so far none of the UK police hav come out smelling of roses. The fundraiser in chief, Deadwood, call me Stu, not worth a pennyworth of cold .... jimo. Martin Grimes and his dogs, well did their job, who is taking all that on board eh?

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 12:58

tanszi wrote: I think "call me Stu" was dazzled by the contacts of the Mcs, the pink and and the wrong held kudos of doctors.   lets face it so far none of the UK police hav come out smelling of roses.  The fundraiser in chief, Deadwood, call  me Stu, not worth a pennyworth of cold .... jimo.  Martin Grimes and his dogs, well did their job, who is taking all that on board eh?  

Hi tanzi, the McCanns were treated like Film Stars from Day one, morning briefings from them or Clarence , it was like a Circus in PDL . I would like to think bill 516 is right and Redwood is playing the old game , a sprat to catch a mackeral. I'm sure Cameron and May are being kept informed so if nothing transpires they too will be criticised......we shall see.  

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Post  jeanmonroe on Sat 3 Aug - 13:09

So IF the Portuguese are 'paying' then without doubt they would be getting their 'TUPPENCEWORTH' in how investigation 'proceeds'!

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Post  comperedna on Sat 3 Aug - 13:21

I simply cannot believe two, on the whole well thought of, national police forces would not each respect the honest efforts of the other. Early on we are told both forces seemed to be coming round to the same way of thinking about the case. I can believe both lots of police would be frustrated by political interference, early and late, but not by each other's day to day hard work. Any aggro right now is likely to be coming from the politics, or to be invented by the press.

However... Andy Redwood's statements to camera, and what we are TOLD is happening in Portugal... both seem bonkers!

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Post  bill516 on Sat 3 Aug - 13:26

What was it Sherlock was supposed to say, rule out all the probables and whatever is left however improbable is the truth. Rule out 38 suspects 100+ leads then you have only one direction to look. I am still convinced this 'review' is more about making sure there is no reference or link to a certain special person than finding out who is responsible, apart from the parents that is. No matter which way you slice it the parents are responsible, right up until a child is 16 in the UK.

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Post  wjk on Sat 3 Aug - 14:12

Didn't Kate go to great expense in getting the files translated and then spent hours and hours going through them to look for things the PJ missed?
How come she didn't come across these '38 people of interest'?

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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 3 Aug - 14:36

Panda wrote:
I think the reason Portugal gave permission for Britain to make arrests is because they are justifiably p***ed of with the McCanns and Cameron for agreeing a review.  Let SY rack up more expense is the right attitude for the Portugese. If Redwood does not come up with a suspect after all this the Press will have a field day .

Portugal did not give Britain permission to make arrests. That would, in fact, be illegal. The only thing SY can do is ask Portuguese authorities to do things for them, sit and watch.

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Post  jeanmonroe on Sat 3 Aug - 14:38

wjk wrote:Didn't Kate go to great expense in getting the files translated and then spent hours and hours going through them to look for things the PJ missed?
How come she didn't come across these '38 people of interest'?

She never did tell us WHO it was that 'received' the supposed £100,000 'cost' of 'translating' the files!

Wasn't in the 'accounts'

Hmmm.

I wonder WHO it WAS?

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Post  T4two on Sat 3 Aug - 14:46

comperedna wrote:I simply cannot believe two, on the whole well thought of, national police forces would not each respect the honest efforts of the other. Early on we are told both forces seemed to be coming round to the same way of thinking about the case. I can believe both lots of police would be frustrated by political interference, early and late, but not by each other's day to day hard work. Any aggro right now is likely to be coming from the politics, or to be invented by the press.

However... Andy Redwood's statements to camera, and what we are TOLD is happening in Portugal... both seem bonkers!

Could it be that the aggro is indeed being intentionally fomented by the British for political reasons i.e. because they need to find an exit strategy which does not involve taking a hard look at the McCanns & friends, and have failed to come up with an alternative thus far simply because there isn't one. Closing the review/investigation and blaming the failure to come up with a result on the refusal of the Portuguese to cooperate therefore, might be the only course of action open to them and it would be exactly the sort of arrogance one has come to expect from the British establishment, whether police, judiciary, politics or media.

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Post  comperedna on Sat 3 Aug - 14:50

Possibly. T4two, possibly. I do hope not. Would it really be worth it to create such bad feeling between Portugal and the UK? Why not put all that money and effort into genuinely doing their best to find out what happened? Anyway, it is too risky to do a 'pretend' effort, surely. Some time down the line one of the police involved might spill the beans!

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Post  comperedna on Sat 3 Aug - 14:53

Until someone gives me a cast iron reason for why the McCanns should be being protected in this way, I just can't see why they should be/would be/are. So unlikely... a couple of two bit neglectful 'doctor' parents. Why should they be 'protected'?

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 15:06


Another mystery to ruminate over. as far as we know Madeleine is still a Ward of Court, Why??? Initially it was to keep the search going if the McCanns were arrested. Obviously they weren't then the McCanns went to Court to ask the Judge to ask Leicester Police to provide information , but the Chief
Constable stepped in saying it was an ongoing case and the McCanns received only81 "pieces of paper". . Once the arguido status was lifted why didn't the McCanns want Madeleine their responsibility , technically their role as Parents ceased .

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Post  T4two on Sat 3 Aug - 15:10

comperedna wrote:Until someone gives me a cast iron reason for why the McCanns should be being protected in this way, I just can't see why they should be/would be/are. So unlikely... a couple of two bit neglectful 'doctor' parents. Why should they be 'protected'?

That of course is the million pound question, but perhaps it isn't the parents who are being protected. Perhaps it's a one-time Prime Minister who went way over the top on their behalf at the time together with his then Home Secretary? There is an unwritten law in British Politics which says that a government never puts the finger on its predecessor in cases which involve a foreign country and which have the potential to bring Britain into disrepute. Perhaps this is what is being played out here.

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 15:27


I think they were protected within hours. someone phoned Tony Blair , who in turn phoned John Buck , the Ambassador to Portugal ( he warned the Foreign Office not to get too involved because the Tapas 9 statements were questionable) who spent 2 days in PDL . My guess is it was Gerry who phoned Tony Blair within the hour. If Madeleine was abducted why didn't he wait to see if a ransom note or phone call was received , nor did any snitch try to claim the £2 million reward offered by the NOTW.

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Post  jeanmonroe on Sat 3 Aug - 15:29

PJ: "We think that the parents and their friends were all involved in Madeleine's 'disappearance"

SY "we don't"

PJ "what PROOF do you have to back that up with?"

SY "because THEY told us they weren't"

PJ "so ONLY the parents of the missing child have TOLD you that?"

SY "er, yes"

PJ "do you believe everything you're TOLD?"

SY "of course, don't you?"

PJ "so you are telling us that the ONLY people that have told you Madeleine WAS 'abducted' couldn't have possibly lied about that"

SY "now listen here, you sardine munching tossers, there is no way they were involved because they raise money for charity, just like Jimmy S and Stuart H, and they are celebrities and stuff"

PJ: Ok “forca aos McCanns”

SY: "what?"

PJ: "your Portuguese is not very good, is it? It means 'F*ck the McCanns' as you English would translate it!"

PJ: "actually it means good luck to the McCanns"

SY: "got any suncream going spare? we gotta spend all day on the beach looking for suitable 'suspects'"

PJ: "don't you investigate at night?"

SY "Nah, to many night clubs to go to, do you know how hard it is getting a block booking for 38 'special' McCann cops?"

PJ "you lazy bas*ards!"

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Post  Panda on Sat 3 Aug - 17:23



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Post  comperedna on Sat 3 Aug - 17:23

Panda. It has always bothered me that they didn't consider the possibility of Madeleine's having been kidnapped for ransome. I guess most parents would think of that in those circumstances... After the most likely 'woke and wandered' had been utterly ruled out that is. 'Woke and wandered' would strike any normal parent first... unless they absolutely KNEW the child could not have done so. Why did they go for abduction by a paedophile? I seem to remember some of the Mark Warner persons earlier on saying no one mentioned abduction to them at the very start of things...

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