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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  interested on Wed 2 Oct - 15:08

The McCanns knew from the very start that they would be "vilified" and that is why they had P.R./image consultants working on their behalf.

What other parents of a "missing" child have such a team working for them. They go out looking themselves while hoping and praying the child will be found at any moment.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  fred on Wed 2 Oct - 15:10

tanszi wrote:hang on a minute, didn't the McCs say at the time something like Dr Amarals book was of no interest to them.
Well of course it wasn't, why on earth would a dodgy sardine munching corrupt sacked cops book be of any interest? Oooeer hang on!!! It became a best seller, and earned Money !! 

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 15:18

Some piccies here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441552/Madeleine-McCanns-father-Gerry-attends-Portugal-court-family-sues-police-chief-Goncaro-Amaral-1m.html

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  fuzeta on Wed 2 Oct - 15:22

kitti wrote:What a farce this is.


Now Duarte doesn't even know who is testifying...

I think the answer to why Gerry McCann keeps going back is because when he loses,not being able to testify he will use his trump card....I.e.   'I wasn't allowed to speak up for Madeleine so that is why we lost the case' .


He has to be seen to be 'trying', it's all theatre and we know it.


He knew full well he couldn't testify but to his supporters, he tried and he wasn't allowed to speak out.
That is spot on Kitti as far as I am concerned. He will of course get the chance to say that the judge has refused him which of course he missed out on last time. The UK press will of course omit to say why. Those nasty foreigners are at it again will be the story

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  LJC on Wed 2 Oct - 15:23

"She said that people were talking about them at school, and that it was not all good things that had been said.

"In the past Sean has come in and said to Gerry, 'Daddy are you famous?'

"Gerry said, 'why are you asking that?', and he said because a boy at school had seen him on the television.

"Gerry continued doing what he was doing and said, 'no I'm not famous, it's because your sister is missing'.
I find this very upsetting.

There have been other children missing, found, reunited, or sadly found murdered, but do we know who their parents are? No, their parents faces are not so well known that we would instantly recognise them.

I think of April Jones. Would I walk past her parents in the street? Yes probably, because I would not recognise them.

FGS, when you have other children to consider, you surely must take into consideration their feelings too. Its just not fair on the twins to be having these things told to them in school by other children.

The real torment for the twins is that their parents think more of looking for Madeleine than they do about the twins' feelings.

We have SY on the case, we have PI's on the case and, yes, it is possible to publicise missing Madeleine in such a way that does not involve her parents' faces on TV. Madeleine is being kept in the public eye, its not true to say she is not, but let the experts look for her. Perhaps it was right for Kate and Gerry to bring pressure on SY to investigate but this could have been done away from the glare of publicity. Kate and Gerry just need to work on this in the background and let others find Madeleine. I thought this was the idea of having Clarrie?

Gerry and Kate could have kept away from Portugal for this trial. For the sake of their twins they should have done.

They were never on the witness list and no need for them to be there, so who is causing the twins all this damage? Yes, Kate and Gerry.

I doubt the twins even know the name of Mr Amaral, know his face, etc but unfortunately Kate and Gerry are ensuring that this will change.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 15:27

A balls-up by Sky:

Madeleine: 'Claims In Book Multiplied Our Pain'

Gerry McCann and his sister have given evidence in Lisbon against a former police chief accused of making allegations about the disappearance of his daughter, Madeleine.

http://news.sky.com/story/1149207/madeleine-claims-in-book-multiplied-our-pain

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Wed 2 Oct - 16:02

You mean the dogs multiplied Your pain off being found out....

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 2 Oct - 16:12

kitti wrote:You mean the dogs multiplied Your pain off being found out....
it also says that kids at school said things to the twins???

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  tanszi on Wed 2 Oct - 17:15

does anyone else think this "blunder" by ID is part of a strategy to throw herself on the court and beg for G McC to testify because she erred. you know like justice cannot be forgone because she messed up. just wondering out loud. would put nothing past any of them.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Wed 2 Oct - 17:28

Is mr amaral going to be a witness for himself?

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Guest on Wed 2 Oct - 17:36

tanszi wrote:does anyone else think this "blunder" by ID is part of a strategy to throw herself on the court and beg for G McC to testify because she erred.  you know like justice cannot be forgone because she messed up.  just wondering out loud.  would put nothing past any of them.
Will they sack her, the way they sacked Justine McGuinness?

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Post  LJC on Wed 2 Oct - 17:48

I think they would probably like to sack her, but half way through a court case its not possible, too late for another lawyer to get a head around all the documentation.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  interested on Wed 2 Oct - 17:49

tanszi wrote:does anyone else think this "blunder" by ID is part of a strategy to throw herself on the court and beg for G McC to testify because she erred.  you know like justice cannot be forgone because she messed up.  just wondering out loud.  would put nothing past any of them.
It could be part of their strategy because at this point their chances of winning are limited, actually I believe non-existent. From day one it has all been about strategy - I'll never get that image of the flipchart containing the flowchart out of my mind.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Guest on Wed 2 Oct - 17:56

LJC wrote:I think they would probably like to sack her, but half way through a court case its not possible, too late for another lawyer to get a head around all the documentation.
What does the Great McCann need another lawyer for? He could do it himself, better than any lawyer. He has already told Justine what she should be charging. He's told the police how to do their jobs. He's tried to tell the judge how to do her job. He's told MPs how to do their jobs. He's told the press how to run a newspaper. He's told the Government how to set up alert systems. He's told Martin Grime how to do his job. Gerry can do anything! Oh he's great, he really is! A little thing like representing himself in a court case should be a walk in the park!


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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  frencheuropean on Wed 2 Oct - 18:21

From AFP , an article published today in which G.Amaral expreses his fish to testify in this trial:


http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_Le_pere_de_Maddie_a_Lisbonne_pour_temoigner_contre_l_ex_enqueteur_Amaral_RP_021020131631-18-405937.asp




"Le père de Maddie à Lisbonne pour témoigner contre l'ex-enquêteur Amaral


LISBONNE - Gerry McCann, le père de la petite Maddie disparue en 2007 au Portugal, était de retour mercredi à Lisbonne où il espère être entendu dans le procès en diffamation qui l'oppose à Gonçalo Amaral, l'ancien enquêteur chargé de l'affaire.

Ce n'est pas sûr... Mais on va voir ce que le juge va dire. J'espère pouvoir être entendu, a déclaré Gerry McCann à son arrivée au tribunal, accompagné de sa soeur Trish Cameron et de sa belle-mère Susan Healy.

Le tribunal a jusqu'au 8 octobre pour se prononcer sur cette demande. Il est prêt à revenir n'importe quand si le tribunal accepte, a précisé à l'AFP Isabel Duarte, l'avocate de la famille britannique.

Le père de Madeleine McCann avait déjà fait le déplacement à Lisbonne la semaine dernière, avant de repartir au bout de quelques minutes car l'audience avait été reportée à la demande de l'avocat de M. Amaral qui a invoqué des raisons familiales.

M. Amaral avait été chargé de l'enquête sur la disparition de la petite Maddie le 3 mai 2007 dans une chambre d'un complexe touristique de Praia da Luz, une petite station balnéaire du sud du Portugal. Cette affaire avait déclenché une campagne médiatique sans précédent.

La famille McCann, qui est convaincue de l'enlèvement de Maddie, poursuit M. Amaral pour le livre Maddie, l'enquête interdite, publié en juillet 2008 juste après le classement de l'affaire, et dans lequel il défend la thèse de la mort accidentelle de la fillette, mettant en cause les parents.

Selon eux, ce livre, adapté également dans un documentaire pour la télévision, a nui aux recherches de Maddie. La famille réclame 1,25 million d'euros en réparation du préjudice subi par les accusations contenues dans ce livre.

Je comprends que ce livre ait pu perturber la vie des McCann ... Mais il ne contient rien de nouveau, rien qui n'ait été déjà publié avant. Pourquoi les médias persistent-ils à donner une seule version des faits?, s'est insurgé devant la presse Vitor Santos Oliveira, l'avocat de Gonçalo Amaral.

Sortant de sa réserve habituelle, M. Amaral, sac à dos à l'épaule, a répondu brièvement aux journalistes pour leur dire qu'il souhaitait beaucoup s'exprimer dans ce procès.

J'espère que le tribunal acceptera. J'assiste à toutes les audiences, a-t-il indiqué
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Mercredi matin, pendant que Trish Cameron évoquait devant la cour les conséquences de ce livre sur le quotidien de la famille, le père de Maddie attendait, assis sur un banc en marbre, à l'extérieur de la salle d'audience, en tapotant sur un ordinateur portable.

La mère de Kate McCann, Susan Healy, avait également fait le déplacement dans l'espoir de témoigner, mais le tribunal a refusé.

En septembre 2007, Kate et Gerry McCann avaient été mis en examen, soupçonnés par M. Amaral, alors responsable de l'enquête, d'avoir dissimulé le cadavre de leur fille après un décès accidentel. Depuis, ils ont été blanchis et l'enquête a été classée par la police portugaise.

Le tribunal a fixé les plaidoiries finales au 27 novembre.


(©AFP / 02 octobre 2013 15h38)



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Maddie 's father in Lisbon to testify against former investigator Amaral


LISBON - Gerry McCann, the father of Maddie disappeared in Portugal in 2007 , was back on Wednesday in Lisbon, where he hopes to be heard in the libel case that pitted him against Gonçalo Amaral , former investigator of the case .

It is not safe ... But we'll see what the judge will say. I hope to be heard, Gerry McCann said on his arrival at court , accompanied by her sister Trish Cameron and his stepmother Susan Healy .

The court has until Oct. 8 to rule on that request. He is ready to come back any time if the court agrees , told AFP Isabel Duarte, the lawyer of the British family .

The father of Madeleine McCann had already made ​​the trip to Lisbon last week , before leaving in a few minutes because the hearing had been postponed at the request of counsel for Mr. Amaral has cited family reasons.

Mr Amaral was in charge of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie May 3, 2007 in a room of a resort of Praia da Luz , a small seaside resort in southern Portugal . The case sparked an unprecedented media campaign.

The McCanns , who believes the removal of Maddie says Mr Amaral 's book Maddie , the survey prohibited , published in July 2008 just after the closure of the case , in which he defends the thesis of accidental death of the child , involving parents .

According to them, this book also adapted into a television documentary has hampered research Maddie . The family claims 1.25 million in compensation for the damage suffered by the charges contained in this book.

I understand that this book could disrupt the lives of McCann ... But it contains nothing new, nothing that has not already been published before . Why do they persist media to a single story? , Has protested to the press Vitor Santos Oliveira, Gonçalo Amaral 's lawyer .

Dropping his usual reserve , Mr Amaral , backpack shoulder , briefly answered reporters to tell them he wanted to speak much in this case.

I hope that the court will accept . I attend all the hearings, he said.

Wednesday morning , while Trish Cameron evoked court the consequences of this book on the lives of the family, the father of Maddie waited, sitting on a marble bench , outside the courtroom , by tapping laptop.

Kate McCann 's mother , Susan Healy, had also made the trip hoping to testify, but the court refused .

In September 2007 , Kate and Gerry McCann had been indicted , suspected by Mr. Amaral, then head of the investigation , to have hidden the body of their daughter after an accidental death . Since then they have been cleared and the investigation has been classified by the Portuguese police.

The court set the final arguments to November 27 .


( © AFP / October 2, 2013 3:38 p.m. )

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 18:37

Thanks, frencheuropean - good news that Mr Amaral wishes to testify!

And some further Jerry Lawton tweets:

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 18m
Eduardo Damaso, dep ed of newspaper Correio da Manha, tells court Amaral book `legitimate defence' of former detective's reputation #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 16m
Damaso said Amaral entitled to respond to criticism of the police investigation he ran into Madeleine's disappearance #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 16m
Damaso: ``He (Amaral) wants to defend the work he did with seriousness.'' #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 15m
Damaso: work of Amaral's police team was attacked `by everyone while the investigation was ongoing' #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 15m
Damaso: `I may have too much knowledge of the case but I believe the book doesn't bring any extraordinary revelations'. #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 14m
After trial adjourned Amaral reveals he, like Gerry #McCann, has applied to the judge to give evidence

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 13m
Asked how #McCann libel trial was going Amaral said: ``There's a saying in Portugal that you only give forecasts at the end of the game.''

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  tanszi on Wed 2 Oct - 18:44

oh well credit to Jerry Lawton he also tweeted what Eduardo Damaso had to say about the book and the investigation as he saw it.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  interested on Wed 2 Oct - 18:49

tanszi wrote:oh well credit to Jerry Lawton he also tweeted what Eduardo Damaso had to say about the book and the investigation as he saw it.

Yes, but the question is, 'will it be published?' so that the general population in the U.K. get to actually see it.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 18:50

tanszi wrote:oh well credit to Jerry Lawton he also tweeted what Eduardo Damaso had to say about the book and the investigation as he saw it.
Considering Mr Damaso is a McCann witness, he sure was standing up for Mr Amaral!

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  wantthetruth on Wed 2 Oct - 18:59

This is looking like a complete Mcshambles........

Unless we're getting wrong information, I see no possibility for them whatsoever. It's getting ridiculous now.

What the heck is going on?

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 19:05

I dunno what's going on, but I'm enjoying this trial far, far more than I oughta.

It's now firmly at the top of my list of guilty pleasures.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Karen on Wed 2 Oct - 19:09

UPDATE: With thanks to Joana Morais

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/gerry-mccann-unable-to-testify-for.html

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 2 Oct - 19:13

Stairway to Heaven

http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/stairway-to-heaven.html?spref=tw

So perceptive!

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  jassi on Wed 2 Oct - 19:17

wantthetruth wrote:This is looking like a complete Mcshambles........

Unless we're getting wrong information, I see no possibility for them whatsoever.  It's getting ridiculous now.

What the heck is going on?
Perhaps they are constructing excuses in advance to explain why they lost the case - incompetent lawyer - inflexible judge (not allowing GM to testify).
On the other hand, they may be genuinely incompetent, particularly if GM is not listening to advice.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Claudia79 on Wed 2 Oct - 19:22

I just texted GA to wish him a happy birthday and I can confirm that he didn't get any birthday present from the McCanns. Not even a birthday card.  

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