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Post  Panda on Thu 19 Sep - 15:42

My Son thinks I am fixated on the McCann case and really cannot understand why. 

He suggested that maybe one of the OC Staff and a Colleague kidnapped Madeleine for Ransom, knew which way they had entered the Apartment, ould have taken Madeleine from her bed, still sleeping, and went out the front way where a car was waiting. When the whole World was involved they panicked and killed her...........sounds feasible.

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Post  Guest on Thu 19 Sep - 16:01

Panda wrote:My Son thinks I am fixated on the McCann case and really cannot understand why. 

He suggested that maybe one of the OC Staff and a Colleague kidnapped Madeleine for Ransom, knew which way they had entered the Apartment, ould have taken Madeleine from her bed, still sleeping, and went out the front way where a car was waiting.   When the whole World was involved they panicked and killed her...........sounds feasible.
Why has there never been a ransom demand then? And why has it never happened again? Sorry but the kidnap for ransom thing just does not add up.

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Post  Panda on Thu 19 Sep - 16:17

Iris wrote:
Panda wrote:My Son thinks I am fixated on the McCann case and really cannot understand why. 

He suggested that maybe one of the OC Staff and a Colleague kidnapped Madeleine for Ransom, knew which way they had entered the Apartment, ould have taken Madeleine from her bed, still sleeping, and went out the front way where a car was waiting.   When the whole World was involved they panicked and killed her...........sounds feasible.
Why has there never been a ransom demand then?  And why has it never happened again?  Sorry but the kidnap for ransom thing just does not add up.
He thinks they got scared because they never foresaw the immediate publicity and around the World interest, maybe Madeleine was stolen for sale to Pedophiles. could be another reason. They got frightened by the immediate reporting of the case which is why they abandoned the ransom. The thing is Iris , we don't have a scrap of evidence that the McCanns hid Madeleine's Body no matter what we think. There may have been something incriminating in the phone calls which the Prosecutor wanted to use , but a Judge turned him down on the grounds it was too intrusive.

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Re: Kate's Statement re Calpol

Post  LJC on Thu 19 Sep - 21:33

For what its worth, I feel if she had been taken by a strangers for ransom and they took fright in panic because of the publicity, they would just have abandoned her somewhere where they thought she would be picked up and returned home. I don't think staff members would have taken her anyway though, too much scrutiny of them after the event and I don't think they would murder her either because, if found out, it would make their crime so much worse and I don't think they would be that stupid.

It is correct that there is no proof that the McCanns hid Madeleine's body, but there is no proof of abduction either.

I often think there is a third scenario that we have all overlooked but rack my brains to think what it is. Could Madeleine have hurt herself, causing a loss of blood and could she have then left the apartment of her own free will to find her parents? But she would be crying if she had been hurt and would have been heard and found quickly. Could she have had a nightmare, following an accident earlier on, and tried to find her parents. Same thing, she would be crying and walking at the same time. Could she have sleep-walked out of the apartment? Well, yes but not sure how common an occurrence this would be with very little children and surely her parents would have kept the place locked in those circumstances. Could Gerry be right and an abductor was hiding himself away inside an unlocked apartment - possible but it has been explored by professionals in depth and they cannot see where anyone could have hidden, given that Gerry wandered in and out of the childrens' bedroom, probably went in his own room and certainly went to the bathroom and any other areas, frankly, would be difficult to hide in. I suppose the abductor could have done the hide inside the wardrobe routine but not sure what size the wardrobes were and, in any case, had that happened there would be forensic evidence on their clothing in the way of fibres. Was there a wardrobe they did not use and completely empty for an abductor to hide in? I doubt that. Perhaps it was the abductor who hid behind the sofa and disturbed the curtains? Kate and Gerry have never claimed that, I don't think and, again, no forensics to support it.

My initial feelings at the very beginning was that in a holiday apartment there would be DNA and forensics belonging to almost half the planet but, to the contrary, it seems there was very little to be found at all, even on the walls, beside what the dogs found.

Whilst this is not proof that Kate and Gerry moved a body or that Madeleine died, its more than the McCanns have in their armoury.

I just don't know, but somewhere there is an answer because I don't believe in the supernatural and don't believe Madeleine has disappeared into space.

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Re: Kate's Statement re Calpol

Post  Lioned on Thu 19 Sep - 23:14

The dogs found evidence of death in the apartment and hire car.

A group of completely Independent people saw a man resembling gerry mccann carrying a child resembling Madeleine away from the crime scene at around 10.0 pm.

" The witness crossed to the other side of Rua 25 de Abril and began walking up Rua da Escola Primária, in the direction of the Estrela da Luz complex.

She did not see if the individual in question carrying the child descended the Rua das Escadinhas or if he continued along Rua 25 de Abril."

No such person has ever come forward to eliminate themselves from the investigation.

I would think reasonably presented this could be considered as evidence.

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Re: Kate's Statement re Calpol

Post  Wintabells on Thu 19 Sep - 23:35

I think it was, and always has been, all about the twins.

Tired and over-excited M ended up testing her mother's patience to the limit and wound up dead some time after being collected from High Tea on May 3rd. Twins were hastily shooed to bed (possibly subsequently sedated) without realising there'd been a fatality and the Paynes were called to assist. Everything took place behind the sofa (so that little eyes couldn't witness). Abduction plan was hatched to a) avoid twins revealing the argument and violence that had been taking place and b) to avoid twins ever connecting that argument and violence with no longer having a sister. The idea was, the twins would wake up in the morning having forgotten all about the previous evening's hysteria, to be told that a bad man had stolen Madeleine in the night. The body was hidden in a bag high up in the wardrobe where Eddie alerted and then taken somewhere and hidden (with the intention of it being found and blamed on the 'abductor') and possibly witnessed by Smith family. When it wasn't found, it was retrieved and taken in the hire car somewhere, to its final resting place.

Problems with this theory are that Eddie didn't alert to GMcC's clothing and no-one seems to have said that GMcC was missing from the table between 9.30pm and 10pm.



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Re: Kate's Statement re Calpol

Post  Panda on Thu 19 Sep - 23:53


I wonder if we will ever find out what happened on that night but the McCann/Payne exchange at the Tennis Court is worth a mention. First of all, why was Payne on his own leaving the Restaurant? Why did Gerry ask him to ask Kate if she wanted to bring the twins to the Tennis Court, knowing she couldn't manage 3 children on her own and it was probable that the children would be having a bath.. Why did Payne say he was there for 30 minutes , at pains to say he had seen the children in their night clothes sitting on the settes when Kate says he was only there for 3 minutes.? Also, Oldfield changed his statement later.

I believe when the PJ read all their statements they had enough contradictions to re-interview them and maybe someone would have cracked.

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Re: Kate's Statement re Calpol

Post  kitti on Fri 20 Sep - 7:41

I don't think it was a dead Madeleine that the smiths saw Gerry carrying, I think it was either tanners girl, which they prob never interviewed, why should they or a drugged Amalie .


The sighting was to impact the tanner sighting....the timing was out though and as Gerry has said...'it was incredibly quite'...not that night though.

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