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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Tue 19 Nov - 14:08

Thanks for the links, frencheuropean!


And from Twitter today:

UK Justice Forum ‏@Justice_forum 47m
Seems #McCann v #Amaral & Others libel trial to go into December. Judge to decide on 27 Nov whether McCanns (plaintiffs) can make statement.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  MaryB on Tue 19 Nov - 18:50

I can't see any sort of verdict before Christmas. It's hard to know why witnesses weren't heard today. I don't think it would surprise me that much if the whole thing was dropped or adjourned indefinitely. It seems very odd indeed. I can't work out what's going on. Still that's nothing new!

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  jassi on Tue 19 Nov - 18:54

I wouldn't have thought it was possible for the case to be dropped unless the McCanns were to withdraw their claim and pay all the costs to date.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Tue 19 Nov - 18:57

There going to pay costs anyway when they lose....or rather the FUND is.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  jassi on Tue 19 Nov - 19:00

kitti wrote:There going to pay costs anyway when they lose....or rather the FUND is.
Well yes - perhaps they have cut their loses.  

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  fred on Tue 19 Nov - 19:53

kitti wrote:There going to pay costs anyway when they lose....or rather the FUND is.
How do you know that? In the UK that would be true, but not so sure in Portugal that is the case.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  jay2001 on Tue 19 Nov - 20:23

If t here's any justice Dr A will win - but having been on the receiving end of a imo corrupt lawyer anything could happen. I'll reserve judgement till we know the result. Whatever happens Dr A will still have lost 6+ years of his life fighting for justice for Madeleine. What a shame that her parents couldn't give her the same consideration.

The holiday makers cared more about saving their own skins than telling the truth. I think about this case every single day so how much trauma do they endure? The answer is in their own hands, but will they ever tell the truth about what they know? I hope all the deception was worth it.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Tue 19 Nov - 20:45

The Wheels of Justice seem to grind very slowly in a Portugese Court 1 Witness all day. Now a decision on 27th November regarding the McCanns........

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Guest on Tue 19 Nov - 20:46

The decision was always going to be on 27 November, why is this news?

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Tue 19 Nov - 20:49

fred wrote:
kitti wrote:There going to pay costs anyway when they lose....or rather the FUND is.
How do you know that? In the UK that would be true, but not so sure in Portugal that is the case.
When the mccanns lost the appeal against mr amaral re the book, the mccanns had to pay the costs which are being offset against this trial , so when mr amaral wins the mccanns will have TWO sets off costs to pay, if the mccanns win, then mr amaral will have the previous costs taken off the mccanns costs .

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  wjk on Tue 19 Nov - 20:56

Iris wrote:The decision was always going to be on 27 November, why is this news?
Yes, that's my recollection too.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Wed 20 Nov - 9:05

It was originally assumed that the judge's decision was to be announced on Nov 5th (so that they would testify on Nov 27th if allowed).

Kate McCann asks to give evidence at libel trial
Last updated Tue 8 Oct 2013

Gerry McCann has already made the same request. The judge is likely to decide on November 5th.


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-08/kate-mccann-asks-to-give-evidence-at-libel-trial/

IIRC, on the 5th Duarte then asked if the decision could be made before the 27th, presumably to give her clients some notice if they were to stand.

But even that doesn't apply anymore ...... the trial is now lurching into December ......

NB - Paracetamol sales at our local chemist are doing rather well, largely thanks to the vagaries and idiosyncracies of the Portuguese legal system ...

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Wed 20 Nov - 9:38

 
almostgothic wrote:It was originally assumed that the judge's decision was to be announced on Nov 5th (so that they would testify on Nov 27th if allowed).

Kate McCann asks to give evidence at libel trial
Last updated Tue 8 Oct 2013

Gerry McCann has already made the same request. The judge is likely to decide on November 5th.


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-08/kate-mccann-asks-to-give-evidence-at-libel-trial/

IIRC, on the 5th Duarte then asked if the decision could be made before the 27th, presumably to give her clients some notice if they were to stand.

But even that doesn't apply anymore ...... the trial is now lurching into December ......

NB - Paracetamol sales at our local chemist are doing rather well, largely thanks to the vagaries and idiosyncracies of the Portuguese legal system ...
  I'd second that , for such a prominent Trial which will probably be reported around the World the Justice system is
hard for anyone to follow and to only interview one person in a day which appears to be the case is odd. Now the Judge has ordered a List of Amaral's earnings from the sale of the Book and video, of course the guy hoped to he was was going to make money, he was unemployed, and wanted the truth told, not the McCann version.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  mossman on Wed 20 Nov - 9:49

Slow and steady wins the race.

I posted on the mirror mirror thread, the uk justice forum has tweeted that it was Isabelle who asked for the information to be provided, so the request did not originate from the judge.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Wed 20 Nov - 10:04

mossman wrote:Slow and steady wins the race.

I posted on the mirror mirror thread, the uk justice forum has tweeted that it was Isabelle who asked for the information to be provided, so the request did not originate from the judge.
Thanks mossman,,,,what difference does it make how much he earned??? What if he retaliates and gets his Lawyer to ask the McCanns how much they made on Madeleine's Fund and how much of that money was actually spent on Detectives.?

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 20 Nov - 11:19

Panda wrote:
mossman wrote:Slow and steady wins the race.

I posted on the mirror mirror thread, the uk justice forum has tweeted that it was Isabelle who asked for the information to be provided, so the request did not originate from the judge.
Thanks mossman,,,,what difference does it make how much he earned??? What if he retaliates and gets his Lawyer to ask the McCanns how much they made on Madeleine's Fund and how much of that money was actually spent on Detectives.?
I think Amaral's lawyers should ask for Enid O'Dowd's analysis of the fund to be entered into evidence.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  jeanmonroe on Wed 20 Nov - 12:07

I DEMAND to know how much of the 'donation' (£38.73p) made to the Madeleine 'fund' raised by a group of handicapped kiddies, specifically given, after tremendous exertions, to be used, so they thought, for 'searching only' for Madeleine, ended up in their spokesman's pocket or paying mortgage repayments on the McCanns house or paid for GM to stay at 5* hotels in Lisbon etc, etc!

When ID answers THAT then, and only then, will she have the moral authority to ask her questions.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  tanszi on Wed 20 Nov - 14:05

trials in the UK takes ages to come to fruition, whether they are civil or criminal and some go on for extremely long periods of times so I don't think this is particularly long. The Judge seems not to be brow beaten by anybody and that it will take the time it needs to take. good on her.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  tanszi on Wed 20 Nov - 14:08

just a question perhaps one of our Portuguese experts can help on this. If either or both of the McCs are given the opportunity to address the court, does Dr G Amaral have the automatic right of rebuttal on anything they may say about him and cause and effect or is this why he has also asked to address the court. Anyone know please?

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Wed 20 Nov - 14:13

AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:
mossman wrote:Slow and steady wins the race.

I posted on the mirror mirror thread, the uk justice forum has tweeted that it was Isabelle who asked for the information to be provided, so the request did not originate from the judge.
Thanks mossman,,,,what difference does it make how much he earned??? What if he retaliates and gets his Lawyer to ask the McCanns how much they made on Madeleine's Fund and how much of that money was actually spent on Detectives.?
I think Amaral's lawyers should ask for Enid O'Dowd's analysis of the fund to be entered into evidence.
That's a good idea AnnaEsse, perhaps Claudia could mention it to him

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  almostgothic on Thu 21 Nov - 11:12

With thanks to UK Justice Forum:

McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial in Lisbon - Day 9

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2991.msg107153#msg107153

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Thu 21 Nov - 14:39

Duarte is accusing mr amaral off selling the books AFTER the ban and is demanding to see receipts.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Thu 21 Nov - 15:05

Many thanks Almostgothic.......

What a messy case this is turning out to be and I do in part blame the Judge . Amaral is not being charged with earning money, he is being charged with Hindering the search for Madeleine, harming the health of the McCann Family and insinuating that Madeleine .died in 5a.

The Judge should never have agreed with the plaintiff that a fully documented account of the monies paid to Amaral etc, yet again the Trial is suspended. Another mystery about Amaral's Witnesses and surprise that Amaral's Lawyer did not contest the question of earnings , it is not relevant. The McCanns sequestered E1 miillion so they obviously think Amaral earned much more than he stated. A bit like the pot calling the Kettle black, the McCanns have made a fortune out of Madeleine's disappearance.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  Panda on Thu 21 Nov - 15:29

kitti wrote:Duarte is accusing mr amaral off selling the books AFTER the ban and is demanding to see receipts.
Thanks Kitti, I would love Amaral to challenge the Fund and see how much the McCanns syphoned off. They really are a pair of
evil b***ers and I hope they get their cummuppence one day.

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Re: Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

Post  kitti on Thu 21 Nov - 16:14

Like she accused mr amaral off claiming benefit when he wasn't.

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