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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 13 Oct - 12:43

Iris: are you saying that Charlotte Pennington worked at the hospital at the same time as Kate? She was born in 1987 so she would have been a child when Kate was there in the 1990s.

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Post  frencheuropean on Sun 13 Oct - 12:47

MaryB wrote:One thing I thought was strange.  I think it was in the channel 4 documentary.  Kate said when she went to the apartment at 10 the door was in a different position from the one they'd left it in when they left the apartment.  Now if Gerry had been back to the apartment and in the apartment to check then why would the door be in its original position. She seemed to imply nobody had entered the bedroom since they left the apartment for the Tapas bar.
True Mary. I also noticed this incoherence or rather obvious lie.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 13 Oct - 12:49

Rob O'Brien had supposedly also been in there - noticing the twins but not Madeleine - so Kate wouldn't have known how he'd left the door.

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 12:52

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Iris: are you saying that Charlotte Pennington worked at the hospital at the same time as Kate? She was born in 1987 so she would have been a child when Kate was there in the 1990s.
Charlotte Pennington, no - that would have been later. She did charity work there as a "professional fairy". But CP's mother worked there at exactly the same time as Kate.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 13 Oct - 13:03

What was her job there? She was apparently an actress / drama teacher.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/charlotte-pennington-at-nanny-agencycom/

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Post  frencheuropean on Sun 13 Oct - 13:11

Mail on line today. They say at the end that it was taken days before the 3rd of May.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456929/A-nightmare-reconstructed-New-video-night-Maddie-disappeared-released-McCanns-launch-Crimewatch-appeal-missing-daughter.html




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A nightmare reconstructed: New video of Madeleine's last hours with her parents is released as McCanns launch Crimewatch appeal to find their missing daughter six years after she disappeared
•Footage to be aired on episode of BBC Crimewatch tomorrow night
•Programme will include a reenactment of tennis game with her parents

By Wills Robinson

PUBLISHED:01:05 GMT, 13 October 2013| UPDATED: 11:39 GMT, 13 October 2013







A full re-enactment lasting 25 minutes will be shown during the special episode of BBC Crimewatch, including a game of tennis she played with her parents...


Nightmare: The reconstruction of the events leading up to Madeleine McCann's disappearance includes a reenactment of a game of tennis she played with her parents




Video: A short clip has been released ahead of the broadcast showing a reconstructed scene of Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry playing tennis. The girl is circled


Their daughter, dressed in pink shorts, a light pink T-shirt and pink hat, will be seen running across the court, clutching a batch of tennis balls just days before she vanished from the Algarve...

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 13:17

Not Born Yesterday wrote:What was her job there? She was apparently an actress / drama teacher.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/charlotte-pennington-at-nanny-agencycom/
A "professional fairy".  It's on her Linkedin profile. I think it means she used to dress up in pink sparkly stuff and go in and play with the little ones who were recovering from ops etc. It's probably where Kate got the idea for Maddie loving "pink and sparkly" stuff. She didn't look the pink and sparkly kind to me, more like a wee tomboy in her footie shirt.

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 13:20

Thanks Frencheuropean

It says..

"A nightmare reconstructed: New video of Madeleine's last hours with her parents is released as McCanns launch Crimewatch appeal to find their missing daughter six years after she disappeared

Nightmare: The reconstruction of the events leading up to Madeleine McCann's disappearance includes a reenactment of a game of tennis she played with her parents

Their daughter, dressed in pink shorts, a light pink T-shirt and pink hat, will be seen running across the court, clutching a batch of tennis balls just days before she vanished from the Algarve..."
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So, its her last hours with her parents
And its the day when the Tennis photo was taken.
So we are talking about the 1st of May, then?

I think SY are looking for independent witnesses who saw Madeleine AFTER the 1st May.

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Post  frencheuropean on Sun 13 Oct - 13:27

It's better to watch Crimewatch tomorrow to be sure because the journos say everything and the contrary.

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Post  chrissie1 on Sun 13 Oct - 13:33

I also heard on sky news that the tennis photo was the last taken of Maddie, how can timelines be significly altered after 6 years is beyond me, if this doesn't make people sit up and think then i dont know what will

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 13:37

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Post  margaret on Sun 13 Oct - 13:46

Sky news said earlier that there were lots of 'unregistered' mobiles in PDL that night and l think they mentioned they were bring looked at.

So what we're being told today is that the Mccanns have lied about events on 3rd May and about the last photo.

Interesting.

If the tennis photo was the last photo on 1st May and SY have announced key details were wrong on 3rd May, is it a very subtle message to put pressure on certain people that the 1st may is the focus of investigation?

The majority of the public won't understand the significance, except the Mccanns have lied.

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 13:53

And the 1st May is the day Mrs Fenn heard a child crying...

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t8609-statement-of-mrs-fenn

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 13:53

Gerry McCann second Interview...




They stayed there, talking, until 16H45, at which time the twins went to the meal area. At 17h00, as usual, MADELEINE arrived accompanied by the nannies and the other children. After her arrival, MADELEINE dined, having finished at 17H30.

After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the back door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent.

They bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, which was attended by: DAN, the tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played before.

During the afternoon of that day, the rest of the group, including the children, were at the beach, having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DAVID PAYNE next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, which he refused, as he had already been plying for about an hour and had to go back to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSEL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play.

At around 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE's bed to read a story. At 19H30, the

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 13:54

So how did Madeleine get to the tennis court at 6pm when she was in the apt at 6pm with Kate McCann?

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 13:56

This is saying that ALL the tapas are lying....and all there statements are lies...

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 13:56

IMO, because it all happened on 1st when the Tennis photo was taken and Mrs Fenn heard the crying.

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 13:58

kitti wrote:So how did Madeleine get to the tennis court at 6pm when she was in the apt at 6pm with Kate McCann?
 Quite.  Either the Crimewatch reconstruction is wrong, and therefore worthless, or all the people who have made statements are all lying.  Both versions cannot be correct.

ETA - surely the McCanns participated, or at least advised, on this reconstruction? Why didn't one of them say, but this is not what happened, Madeleine was not at the tennis court? Are they now trying to make out that she was? Why say something completely different in a rogatory statement, then?

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 14:13

Now Kate mccanns second interview...in part



When she finished jogging, at around 5:20/5:30 p.m., she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were having dinner at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the area by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over, at around 5.30 p.m.. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her; she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment, as well. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment at around 5:40 p.m., earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00 p.m. At the apartment they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00 p.m. Gerry went to the tennis courts, right after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered through the same door.

After the children’s bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, and gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40 p.m. and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the balcony door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who was at the balcony door. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left through this door. She saw that it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David’s visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn’t even actually enter the flat, he remained at the balcony door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40 p.m.

After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn’t remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim trousers. Sports shoes and white socks.

She read a story to the children in the living room, on the sofa in front of the balcony door, identified on the diagram with the letter D. At 7:00 p.m. Gerry arrived and entered through the balcony door. He sat on the sofa identified with letter E. She doesn’t know if the story was finished, but thinks she was still sitting on the sofa.

She doesn’t remember having changed the layout of the furniture in the living room, the sofas, the table or others. She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn’t remember anyone having gone behind it. She does not know if this window was open or closed, she does not remember it ever being open, or looking through the window.

After Gerry arrived the children went to wash their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine’s bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed. During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, but alert and paying attention to the story. Afterwards both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each one of them, the deponent and Gerry, placed a twin in its cot at the same time, between Madeleine’s bed and the bed under the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn’t holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, which she thinks was covering her. The twins were laid down on their backs, covered with open weave blankets. She says that she doesn’t know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 13 Oct - 14:17

MaryB wrote:Two things which I thought about.  First the photo with the tennis balls.  Is that actually Madeleine or the little girl from the reconstruction.  Or is it a photo of Madeleine being a ball girl at a tennis game earlier in the week.  Also would whether or not David Payne visited the apartment make any difference to the time the abductor was supposed to have struck.  And I also thought if all the family was at the tennis courts are they going to suggest the abductor somehow got into the apartment then and stayed hidden until 9 pm.  It's too confusing.
It's the little girl from the reconstruction.
If this is the last photo there are strangely no later photos.
This adds credence to Mrs Fenn hearing crying all night and the theories purported that this is the night she died. "why didn't you come for me" which makes the mccanns look bad, was done so on purpose to provide evidence she was alive. The next day, they invented the crèche records nd so it continued.
This is their story unravelling!

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 14:23

Loopdaloop wrote:
MaryB wrote:Two things which I thought about.  First the photo with the tennis balls.  Is that actually Madeleine or the little girl from the reconstruction.  Or is it a photo of Madeleine being a ball girl at a tennis game earlier in the week.  Also would whether or not David Payne visited the apartment make any difference to the time the abductor was supposed to have struck.  And I also thought if all the family was at the tennis courts are they going to suggest the abductor somehow got into the apartment then and stayed hidden until 9 pm.  It's too confusing.
It's the little girl from the reconstruction.
If this is the last photo there are strangely no later photos.
This adds credence to Mrs Fenn hearing crying all night and the theories purported that this is the night she died. "why didn't you come for me" which makes the mccanns look bad, was done so on purpose to provide evidence she was alive. The next day, they invented the crèche records nd so it continued.
This is their story unravelling!
I've replied to you on Jill's but I'll put the same here..

My thoughts too.
Who saw Madeleine after the night of the 1st? After Mrs Fenn heard the crying and the day of the Tennis photo?

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Post  kitti on Sun 13 Oct - 14:26

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Post  cass on Sun 13 Oct - 14:28

Loopdaloop wrote:
MaryB wrote:Two things which I thought about.  First the photo with the tennis balls.  Is that actually Madeleine or the little girl from the reconstruction.  Or is it a photo of Madeleine being a ball girl at a tennis game earlier in the week.  Also would whether or not David Payne visited the apartment make any difference to the time the abductor was supposed to have struck.  And I also thought if all the family was at the tennis courts are they going to suggest the abductor somehow got into the apartment then and stayed hidden until 9 pm.  It's too confusing.
It's the little girl from the reconstruction.
If this is the last photo there are strangely no later photos.
This adds credence to Mrs Fenn hearing crying all night and the theories purported that this is the night she died. "why didn't you come for me" which makes the mccanns look bad, was done so on purpose to provide evidence she was alive. The next day, they invented the crèche records nd so it continued.
This is their story unravelling!
and time to clean the appartment - all the shite no dna found from mr swathy man or anyone else - even in the cleanest hotel room where the maids have worked their arses off there usually must be a odd hair or something

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Post  cass on Sun 13 Oct - 14:31

so if the mcanns and friends are found out lying and things happened before the 3rd for example - when did murrat go back to portugal ?

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 14:34

kitti wrote:https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/1393470_1426747994211248_1929302078_n.jpg

Quite. Nice to see that in these times of austerity, our taxes are being prudently spent.

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