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We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  quickfingers on Mon 14 Oct - 13:13

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5199791/We-saw-him-carrying-girl-like-Maddie-down-empty-side-street.html

Wasn't it Mr Smith who said he thought it was Gerry due to the way he carried the child down the steps of the plane when they returned to the UK? I can't see any mention of this. Was it ever reported on by the media?

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Post  mossman on Mon 14 Oct - 13:17

quickfingers wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5199791/We-saw-him-carrying-girl-like-Maddie-down-empty-side-street.html

Wasn't it Mr Smith who said he thought it was Gerry due to the way he carried the child down the steps of the plane when they returned to the UK?  I can't see any mention of this.   Was it ever reported on by the media?

Yes it was and he said he was 60 to 80 per cent sure it was GM. That statement was made to his local police and I don't recall it ever being printed in the press.

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Post  LJC on Mon 14 Oct - 13:37

Okay, time to be honest with people all you press folk out there  The truth is that this case has gone full circle now.  The truth is that the PJ, under the co-ordination of Mr Amaral, knew about the witnesses, namely The Smith family.   The truth is it became one great big roasting hot potato for the PJ because Mr Martin Smith is also on record as saying the person he saw carrying a child looked very much like Madeleine's father Mr Gerry McCann.  The truth is that, together with other factors which pointed to the parents' involvement somehow, the witnesses Smith were not interviewed by the PJ finally because their request to formally interview this family was overridden by another decision from above to remove Mr Amaral from the case and shift him to other police work, which then led to Mr Amaral's decision to retire from the PJ for good.  

Please be honest with your readers and please stop insisting that these witnesses were overlooked by a bungling Portuguese police force.

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Post  pennylane on Mon 14 Oct - 13:43

LJC wrote:Okay, time to be honest with people all you press folk out there  The truth is that this case has gone full circle now.  The truth is that the PJ, under the co-ordination of Mr Amaral, knew about the witnesses, namely The Smith family.   The truth is it became one great big roasting hot potato for the PJ because Mr Martin Smith is also on record as saying the person he saw carrying a child looked very much like Madeleine's father Mr Gerry McCann.  The truth is that, together with other factors which pointed to the parents' involvement somehow, the witnesses Smith were not interviewed by the PJ finally because their request to formally interview this family was overridden by another decision from above to remove Mr Amaral from the case and shift him to other police work, which then led to Mr Amaral's decision to retire from the PJ for good.  

Please be honest with your readers and please stop insisting that these witnesses were overlooked by a bungling Portuguese police force.
Amen, LJC!

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Post  tanszi on Mon 14 Oct - 13:45

did you send it LJC.

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Post  wjk on Mon 14 Oct - 14:40

LJC wrote:Okay, time to be honest with people all you press folk out there  The truth is that this case has gone full circle now.  The truth is that the PJ, under the co-ordination of Mr Amaral, knew about the witnesses, namely The Smith family.   The truth is it became one great big roasting hot potato for the PJ because Mr Martin Smith is also on record as saying the person he saw carrying a child looked very much like Madeleine's father Mr Gerry McCann.  The truth is that, together with other factors which pointed to the parents' involvement somehow, the witnesses Smith were not interviewed by the PJ finally because their request to formally interview this family was overridden by another decision from above to remove Mr Amaral from the case and shift him to other police work, which then led to Mr Amaral's decision to retire from the PJ for good.  

Please be honest with your readers and please stop insisting that these witnesses were overlooked by a bungling Portuguese police force.
Spot on!  

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Post  almostgothic on Mon 14 Oct - 14:43

LJC  

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Re: We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  chrissie on Mon 14 Oct - 14:44

I wonder if they will mention on the programme that Martin Smith thought it was Gerry? Probably not....

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Post  Panda on Mon 14 Oct - 14:46

Actually , the Smiths WERE interviewed by the Irish Guardia at the request of the Portugese Police. This was their second interview which Mrs Smith declined to make. I read that Kennedy had also visited them in Ireland. I think they made the first statement while they were in Portugal , a couple of days after Madeleine disappeared .

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Re: We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  LJC on Mon 14 Oct - 15:04

tanszi wrote:did you send it LJC.
I will post to Daily Mail comments etc. If they dare print it.

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Post  Lioned on Mon 14 Oct - 15:13

Well lets hope the Smiths have done the decent thing and told the Police what they think.

Who is the other witness who has seen 'Smith man' ?

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Post  quickfingers on Mon 14 Oct - 15:16

I think the e-fits are from the descriptions given by both of the Smiths. I bet the one with the pointy chin was Martin's.

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Post  LJC on Mon 14 Oct - 15:17

Lioned wrote:Well lets hope the Smiths have done the decent thing and told the Police what they think.

Who is the other witness who has seen 'Smith man' ?
I think it will be another member of the Smith family.

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Post  Panda on Mon 14 Oct - 15:27

LJC wrote:
tanszi wrote:did you send it LJC.
I will post to Daily Mail comments etc.  If they dare print it.
If memory serves me right, the Smiths passed Gerry in the same street....it was an unidentified couple carrying something who turned into a lane when the Driver caught them in his Headlights. He was returning from Lagos where he had a Business , he also had a Business in PDL .

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Re: We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  Lioned on Mon 14 Oct - 15:28

I am surprised in that event the expert E fit persons didnt produce an amalgam of the two and get a consensus.

Seems a bit confusing to produce an E fit of the same man,one with a fat face and one with a thin face but what do i know ?

They both have a flat head though.

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Re: We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  almostgothic on Mon 14 Oct - 15:31

A Twitter exchange re Smiths:

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky it's not new it's from smith sighting in http://mccannfiles.com  #McCann Fgs

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 1h
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY what's new is the significance given to it.

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky you could crack this with some good honest investigative uncontrolled reporting #McCann

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 49m
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY I interviewed smith in 2008 so I know what he said. I can't really comment until crimewatch goes out, due to the embargo.

Win ‏@winnower1 29m
@JasonFarrellSky ...surely you knew the 'significance' Goncalo Amaral gave the Smith sighting at the time you interviewed Mr. Smith? #McCann

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Post  LJC on Mon 14 Oct - 15:35

Due to the embargo?

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Post  Panda on Mon 14 Oct - 15:41

almostgothic wrote:A Twitter exchange re Smiths:

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky it's not new it's from smith sighting in http://mccannfiles.com  #McCann Fgs

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 1h
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY what's new is the significance given to it.

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky you could crack this with some good honest investigative uncontrolled reporting #McCann

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 49m
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY I interviewed smith in 2008 so I know what he said. I can't really comment until crimewatch goes out, due to the embargo.

Win ‏@winnower1 29m
@JasonFarrellSky ...surely you knew the 'significance' Goncalo Amaral gave the Smith sighting at the time you interviewed Mr. Smith? #McCann
Is this the Deborah Butler who was a Member of Tony Bennett's Forum....if so. I wouldn't trust her comment. I am sjure that the Smith's walked past
the guy they thought could be Gerry. The Couple who turned into the lane happened in the early hours of the morning.

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Re: We saw him carrying girl like Maddie down empty side street – Tourists Martin and Mary Smith - The Sun

Post  Panda on Mon 14 Oct - 16:01

Lioned wrote:I am surprised in that event the expert E fit persons didnt produce an amalgam of the two and get a consensus.

Seems a bit confusing to produce an E fit of the same man,one with a fat face and one with a thin face but what do i know ?

They both have a flat head though.
Note also that one has a more pointed chin ...uum, how can you do an Efit of a 20yr old who could be a 40 yr old????

Lioned, do you think Redwood knows what he is doing?? However did he get to the Rank of Detective Superintendent. ????

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Post  Lioned on Mon 14 Oct - 16:03

Redwood has been given an agenda to work to.

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Post  Panda on Mon 14 Oct - 16:12

Lioned wrote:Redwood has been given an agenda to work to.
I just posted on another thread that I think Cameron has no alternative if he wants to be re-elected. The :Press and Public will say enough is enough and Theresa May who is interested in becoming the Next PM who only wanted a scope will openly challenge Cameron for overriding her position as
Minister for the Home Office if he doesn't agree to close the case. Redwood saying they are only 1/4 the way through sends shivers down the spine . 

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Post  wjk on Mon 14 Oct - 16:29

almostgothic wrote:A Twitter exchange re Smiths:

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky it's not new it's from smith sighting in http://mccannfiles.com  #McCann Fgs

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 1h
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY what's new is the significance given to it.

deborah butler ‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY 1h
@JasonFarrellSky you could crack this with some good honest investigative uncontrolled reporting #McCann

Jason Farrell ‏@JasonFarrellSky 49m
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY I interviewed smith in 2008 so I know what he said. I can't really comment until crimewatch goes out, due to the embargo.

Win ‏@winnower1 29m
@JasonFarrellSky ...surely you knew the 'significance' Goncalo Amaral gave the Smith sighting at the time you interviewed Mr. Smith? #McCann
Ooh! That looks promising!
Embargo eh? I did hear the guy (Ian Woods) on Sky news saying there is more to come on Crimewatch which we can't discuss at this point!!

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