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Post  margaret on Wed 23 Oct - 16:30

A good news day.  

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Post  Lioned on Wed 23 Oct - 16:40

I wonder if he'll put back all the missing pages that he wooshed !

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 17:27

Suspecting such might happen, at one point I was keeping the Blacksmith pages on a Word document and wonder if anyone archived them. There was some great stuff on there.

Why'd he shut it down? Did the investigation ask him to, or did he get Rucked?

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Post  margaret on Wed 23 Oct - 17:49

widowan wrote:Suspecting such might happen, at one point I was keeping the Blacksmith pages on a Word document and wonder if anyone archived them. There was some great stuff on there.

Why'd he shut it down? Did the investigation ask him to, or did he get Rucked?
No the day before the case went from review to investigation blacksmith said it was going to happen and it was the Mccanns SY were after, but the next day although it happened SY said the Mccanns and tapas group were not suspects so blacksmith apologised and closed the bureau down.

He also said way back in JAN? that the Mccanns had asked for settlement terms with mr.amaral loudly denied by the pros but he was proved right.  

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 18:08

thanks Margaret.

Glad he'll have it back up and when he does I will archive it. I enjoy his writing and his perspective. Not everyone has to be pro or anti McCann to be interesting; I don't find myself on the fence in that regard, but more an interested spectator in the many various aspects of this farce. I am a watcher of the media and its evolution and the recent and unwelcome presence of spokespersons & PR campaigns as part of the justice system and part of the legal system, and in that regard I find him to have valuable insights as well as the wicked sense of irony & way with words.

After reading such TRIPE in the papers about the "case" with its repeated hackneyed phrases about the principals, its focus on a non sighting of a swarthy abductor, its tugging on the few brain cells of tabloid readers, it is so refreshing to read something well written and well thought out, and that he is not promoting any version of what happened - he repeatedly states he doesn't know - he still finds plenty to say.

McCanns made a spectacle of themselves in the press from day one, against advice of those charged to find their daughter and their behavior and that of the spokesman Clarence whatshisname, have made such a circus of this we will be unlikely to find out ever what actually happened, especially since their lawyers are quick to sue anyone who might raise an alternate scenario, be that Pat Brown, or whomever.

The McCann case to me is more than the case of a missing child, it is a case of justice perverted and the press and media we have today as an agent for individuals or editorial slants is one of the worst perversions I've seen, now eclipsed by the US "media" stations controlled by Murdoch. It's not on, and it's good to have someone familiar with how BBC and others work - much as I wish he'd get into the fray a bit more I think his opinion in stating that SY were after McCanns was probably not his best day's work. There is a place for that and there is a place for Blacksmith.

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Post  comperedna on Wed 23 Oct - 18:17

I think Blacksmith and all other serious commentators have from now on to be very careful as to precisely what to say, because no-one wants the situation to occur when any person charged has a come back saying:: 'but I can never have a fair trial because people have been prejudiced against me by... ' etc etc.

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Post  comperedna on Wed 23 Oct - 18:21

I think Blacksmith shut down because he more or less felt the case was proved and The Met kept pushing the opposite and so he said... OK if that's the way they feel I'll bow out of it for now... but I might be back!

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Post  comperedna on Wed 23 Oct - 18:39

Sorry about the overkill triple posting, but I also read it that Blacksmith is expecting that it will all be over fairly soon... but how soon I don't know and I guess neither does he for sure. I object to his using the word 'evil' as I consider that to be a kind of quasi-religious word, and as an atheist I find it difficult to accept. This is about more mundane things: corruption, lying, cover up, and deliberate obfuscation. I suppose that if the CPS have already seen fit to go out to Portugal I think he may well be right about the timing.

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Post  Lioned on Wed 23 Oct - 18:50

I think he shut down because he got it wrong and went off to re invent himself (sober up).

To be fair anyone who wants to assassinate the 'freak' thats fine by me.

Some of us,however,may not forget his attack on forum members a while back.

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Post  margaret on Wed 23 Oct - 18:51

comperedna wrote:Sorry about the overkill triple posting, but I also read it that Blacksmith is expecting that it will all be over fairly soon... but how soon I don't know and I guess neither does he for sure. I object to his using the word 'evil' as I consider that to be a kind of quasi-religious word, and as an atheist I find it difficult to accept. This is about more mundane things: corruption, lying, cover up, and deliberate obfuscation. I suppose that if the CPS have already seen fit to go out to Portugal I think he may well be right about the timing.
Yes you're right he says about looking beyond the next couple of months??

I don't know about the word comperedna but they are certainly evil acts in my eyes.

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Post  margaret on Wed 23 Oct - 18:54

Lioned wrote:

Some of us,however,may not forget his attack on forum members a while back.
l agree. He comments on the case the same as us, he's not above us.

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 19:44

comperedna wrote:Sorry about the overkill triple posting, but I also read it that Blacksmith is expecting that it will all be over fairly soon... but how soon I don't know and I guess neither does he for sure. I object to his using the word 'evil' as I consider that to be a kind of quasi-religious word, and as an atheist I find it difficult to accept. This is about more mundane things: corruption, lying, cover up, and deliberate obfuscation. I suppose that if the CPS have already seen fit to go out to Portugal I think he may well be right about the timing.
What is the job of the CPS? Would they be there to consult with lawyers, on the behest of SY or what?

They are attacking Amaral, so possibly they were there not to be involved with prosecution of McCanns but of Amaral?

I think there would be a statute of limitations on the McCanns as to the neglect, I don't think the libel trial would result in any action around that, and the fact that they are out there now during the libel trial would seem to point at the defendant rather than the plaintiffs?

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Post  Lioned on Wed 23 Oct - 19:59

It is the job of the CPS to decide if there is a strong enough case to prosecute someone.I suppose they can advise SY how much more evidence is required to obtain a successful prosecution.
So i guess,as does Blacksmith,that they have someone in their sights.

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 20:32

Lioned wrote:It is the job of the CPS to decide if there is a strong enough case to prosecute someone.I suppose they can advise SY how much more evidence is required to obtain a successful prosecution.
So i guess,as does Blacksmith,that they have someone in their sights.  
Hi Lioned
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would CPS be for criminal cases as well as civil - would they be likely to be involved on a libel action?

If they are there for criminal cases, it is unlikely that Amaral would fit that description, I don't think there is criminal liability for damaging someone's reputation - I could be wrong.

It seems odd they'd be there now, if they are flying to another country just around the time of the libel suit.

I suppose it could be a coincidence and that SY has come up with enough to charge someone - the lack of any mention of Payne's 6 PM pajama-clad angel visit, or the timeline, makes me think that SY is waving this off as small potatoes compared to the abduction.

Gerry is right about the dogs in the sense that they provide indications of where to look for evidence like DNA (or a body) and evidently there wasn't any, or it wasn't sufficient - if the dog alerts and DNA really were enough to arrest someone in England, as Martin Grimes had suggested, I would have thought they'd have done so by now. Maybe not?

if the case is in Portugal and they need a body to prove negligence leading to harm, they don't have that until they know what happened to Madeleine, or so said the judge ("where's the body?").

If they did have evidence that she had come to harm they'd probably want to go after the abductor for that rather than the mcCanns for the neglect, and without a body or eye witness to Madeleine's death or disappearance at the hands of her parents, it seems unlikely they would have enough to bring any kind of charges against McCanns - the outcry would be immense if they charged McCanns with neglect at this point with SY stating on Crimewatch that she'd been abducted.

Even in Portugal they can't do that or don't want to do it and they own this investigation and the charges.


Maybe Team McCann wants to know what else they could throw at Amaral to get him to cave but the worst they can do, it seems to me, is find him guilty of libel and a British prosecution would probably not be involved in that action, it seems small potatoes. Especially given that the parents and friends themselves impaired the investigation and caused the focus to be on themselves, by so doing.

The slim chance is that they know the parents and T9 were covering up and with that and the dogs etc they are consulting with them but again - no idea what happened to the child, very unlikely it seems to me that a prosecution would go forward. Would love to know why they are there - possibly only because mcCanns seem to be able to command the investigation to go where they will and now they can say, sadly the CPS has determined as there are not sufficient charges to go ahead prosecuting Amaral, we are going to leave this alone.

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 20:37

margaret wrote:
Lioned wrote:

Some of us,however,may not forget his attack on forum members a while back.
l agree. He comments on the case the same as us, he's not above us.
Did he attack this forum?

I don't say he's above you, or us, or the pros - just that he's taking a bird's eye view of the case from a different perspective, social, the media etc

Because of the way he has organized his blog he seems to understand how to get attention and avoid a lawsuit or notice by Carter Ruck.

We should want that, because his status or position as "above" it makes him more credible to an outside party than a forum of pros or antis might be.

Although he seems to have a lot of contempt for the tapas 9 and the media, especially Clarence.

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Post  Lioned on Wed 23 Oct - 20:42

CPS would not be interested in a civil case unless something criminal evolved from it.They would have no business with Amaral.
My guess is they would be looking at the files that are not yet public,and maybe working out some kind of deal with the Portuguese as to procedures.

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Post  widowan on Wed 23 Oct - 21:53

Very mysterious,

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Re: Blacksmith's bureau is reopening!

Post  almostgothic on Thu 24 Oct - 9:19

A message from Blacksmith:

Thursday, 24 October 2013
Well…

We posted "some things are now settled".

Gosh, they don't keep Kate & Gerry in the loop anymore, do they? If I knew it why didn't they and their little helpers? The Interrupted Investigation isn't interrupted anymore, folks. Job done.

See you on the Bureau.

http://aninspectorcallsyou.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/well.html

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Post  Panda on Fri 25 Oct - 2:19


Since it has now been reported that the McCanns attended a very important meeting in Portugal just prior to the case being re-opened I would say they are still very much considered "the innocents" and both the Oporto Police and SY are searching for an abductor.

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Post  mossman on Fri 25 Oct - 7:24

“At the request of The Policia Judiciara, AC Mark Rowley and DCI Andy Redwood attended a meeting with senior officers on 17 October, in Lisbon, to discuss this significant development, and for a comprehensive briefing on the new lines of enquiry which, at this point, are separate to the lines of enquiry being followed by the MPS. [At the conclusion of that meeting, the group were joined by Kate and Gerry McCann who were briefed on the plans to apply to reopen the investigation.], read the press statement.”»



The above is from Joanna Morias blog.

At the conclusion of the meeting, they met the parents. This, to me, is rather different to the McCanns attending the meeting. There were two meetings. One with the police officers from both nations, the other to tell the McCanns whatever it is they told them.

Hardly guests of honour at the main event in my book, but they would like to have us think so.

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Post  almostgothic on Fri 25 Oct - 7:44

Yep, the cops had their meeting and only then did they (presumably following protocol and etiquette) present the parents with a fait accompli. No input from the McCanns -all done and dusted before they let 'em in.

It wasn't:
'Would you like pie and chips or would you prefer something else?'

It was:
'You're having pie and chips. Got that?'

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