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Post  Lioned on Thu 24 Oct - 22:21

According to ITN news both police forces have agreed the mccanns had no criminal involvement and the mccanns have been kept informed of the new focus of enquiry which seems to be on an International peado gang !

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Post  Gobsmacked on Thu 24 Oct - 22:22

Iris wrote:
almostgothic wrote:Jim Gamble ‏@JimGamble_INEQE 51m
It must be a tough time for the #McCann haters given the latest developments & statement from the Portuguese. The truth will always come out

That word again - HATERS.
Tells you all you need to know, doesn't it?
What statement? áThe one that says "a continuation of the investigation"??? áWith no mention, anywhere, of any abductor? á
Agree almostgothic, the investigation is to continue.
I am a bit of an old bore about this case - peoples eyes glaze over when I drone on about it. Today I printed off the final report from 2007 and took it with me when Mr Gob and I went to our local for a couple before dinner.
Everyone that read it was totally "gobsmacked", they didn't know (and never will, reading/listening to UK coverage) that the case was never "closed" and the McCanns and their mates were suspected of various offences.
I hope upon hope that this is the beginning of the end of the pact of silence, the years of lies and media manipulation. Clarrie's pretendy plod appeals for Vic Beckham lookalikes to step forward.
As I have always believed, neglect was their charge of choice. If they neglected Madeleine then she had to be alive (to be neglected) - the McCanns's have pushed this argument since the very early days. Unfortunately for them PJ didn't play ball and stuck resolutely to their initial suspicions, that Madeleine died by accident and her death was covered up by one or a number of their group.
I have a feeling that the Tanner "sighting", now discredited, is the key to the solution.

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Post  SteveT on Thu 24 Oct - 22:26

"According to ITN news both police forces have agreed the mccanns had no criminal involvement and the mccanns have been kept informed of the new focus of enquiry which seems to be on an International peado gang !"

If I were the McCanns friends I would sue them.

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Post  tanszi on Thu 24 Oct - 22:29

I agree with Lioned and SteveT. I have every faith in the Portuguese. I m still wondering about that circus called crime watch. advertised to its eyeballs, lauded over by The Tortoise, whose revelation moment was one the PJ had discounted practically the moment it was presented to them and then the Fundraiser in chief expressing his concerns over the political ramifications for SY and Cameron if they didn't have a result. I naively thought it was to find out what happened to Madeleine.

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Post  FSoares on Thu 24 Oct - 22:33

Claudia79 wrote:The re-opening is not bad news at all. The timing and what's behind are, though. Because there are quite some people I really like on this forum, I would suggest that people keep their expectations low. Safer that way.
I'd also add to your comment the expectations should really be extremely low, or even better, no expectations at all.

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 24 Oct - 22:35

FSoares wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:The re-opening is not bad news at all. The timing and what's behind are, though. Because there are quite some people I really like on this forum, I would suggest that people keep their expectations low. Safer that way.
I'd also add to your comment the expectations should really be extremely low, or even better, no expectations at all.
I didn't want to make anyone feel like jumping from a bridge or something similar...

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Post  FSoares on Thu 24 Oct - 22:37

Claudia79 wrote:
FSoares wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:The re-opening is not bad news at all. The timing and what's behind are, though. Because there are quite some people I really like on this forum, I would suggest that people keep their expectations low. Safer that way.
I'd also add to your comment the expectations should really be extremely low, or even better, no expectations at all.
I didn't want to make anyone feel like jumping from a bridge or something similar...
Neither me! And by the way, hello, nice to "see" you! á

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 24 Oct - 22:39

FSoares wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:
FSoares wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:The re-opening is not bad news at all. The timing and what's behind are, though. Because there are quite some people I really like on this forum, I would suggest that people keep their expectations low. Safer that way.
I'd also add to your comment the expectations should really be extremely low, or even better, no expectations at all.
I didn't want to make anyone feel like jumping from a bridge or something similar...
Neither me! And by the way, hello, nice to "see" you! á
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Post  tanszi on Thu 24 Oct - 22:44

Claudia79 áand FSoares here have been many twists and turns in this investigation. áthis is just one more. á and who knows, Justice comes in many forms. áSY I believe has its own agenda, and many can see that. álets see where it takes them for often the plans of mice and men go awry. nice to see you both.

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Post  Lioned on Thu 24 Oct - 22:48

There does seem to be an increasing number of commentators,politicians,police officers,newscasters telling us the mccanns had no criminal involvement ,so my expectations are low to non existent as regards to the parents being found culpable in any way whatsoever.

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 24 Oct - 22:51

tanszi wrote:Claudia79 áand FSoares here have been many twists and turns in this investigation. áthis is just one more. á and who knows, Justice comes in many forms. áSY I believe has its own agenda, and many can see that. álets see where it takes them for often the plans of mice and men go awry. ánice to see you both.
Just warning so people start getting used to the idea...
Nice to see you too. á

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Post  FSoares on Thu 24 Oct - 23:12

tanszi wrote:Claudia79 áand FSoares here have been many twists and turns in this investigation. áthis is just one more. á and who knows, Justice comes in many forms. áSY I believe has its own agenda, and many can see that. álets see where it takes them for often the plans of mice and men go awry. ánice to see you both.
Merely my opinion: all police forces have a higher force above them, generally the Government. The Government can indirectly influence an investigation. I could point out lots of examples. In this particular case, I think somebody wants to look well on the "photo". I don't believe in agendas. Police just have agendas when they mess up a case, framing the wrong ones, needing to cover it up. I don't think (in this particular case) they need to cover up anything they did. I still believe this is a cold case, and, unless a miracle happens I am going to believe the case went cold, even if two polices say they have new leads, ironically more or less at the same time. Even worse, is warning one of the parties involved they are innocent and not the focus of the investigation. I've never seen this in the past, and this looks very unprofessional to me. Whoever the police is checking it's never passed to ANY party involved. A serious investigation doesn't allow anyone outside the team to know in advance what is being done. If what Press is reporting is true, so I say shame on the PJ, shame on the SY.

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Post  Lioned on Thu 24 Oct - 23:28

Can one of our nice Portuguese friends inform us of the legal situation regarding Arguidos ?

When the original case was shelved and the mccanns and Murat were released from that status,does that status resume now the case is off the shelf ?


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Post  FSoares on Thu 24 Oct - 23:33

Lioned wrote:Can one of our nice Portuguese friends inform us of the legal situation regarding Arguidos ?

When the original case was shelved and the mccanns and Murat were released from that status,does that status resume now the case is off the shelf ?

It all depends on what was written/asked to the Public Prosecution in order to reopen the files.

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 24 Oct - 23:47

If they aren't the focus of the reopening I don't see how they could become arguidos again.

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Post  MaryB on Thu 24 Oct - 23:50

I give up. That's it. No faith in any of it. We're being spun a load of nonsense.

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Post  widowan on Thu 24 Oct - 23:55

FSoares wrote:
tanszi wrote:Claudia79 áand FSoares here have been many twists and turns in this investigation. áthis is just one more. á and who knows, Justice comes in many forms. áSY I believe has its own agenda, and many can see that. álets see where it takes them for often the plans of mice and men go awry. ánice to see you both.
Merely my opinion: all police forces have a higher force above them, generally the Government. The Government can indirectly influence an investigation. I could point out lots of examples. In this particular case, I think somebody wants to look well on the "photo". I don't believe in agendas. Police just have agendas when they mess up a case, framing the wrong ones, needing to cover it up. I don't think (in this particular case) they need to cover up anything they did. I still believe this is a cold case, and, unless a miracle happens I am going to believe the case went cold, even if two polices say they have new leads, ironically more or less at the same time. Even worse, is warning one of the parties involved they are innocent and not the focus of the investigation. I've never seen this in the past, and this looks very unprofessional to me. Whoever the police is checking it's never passed to ANY party involved. A serious investigation doesn't allow anyone outside the team to know in advance what is being done. If what Press is reporting is true, so I say shame on the PJ, shame on the SY.

agree I think pride /politics is reopening this case... cold case...

It costs a lot to run an investigation, although of course as far as the government is concerned it's all other people's money and no expense is usually spared by either party to cut costs or save when it could make them/their party look good for re election

also if the PJ does not want SY solving this for their own honor or whatever, that could make a difference, it's their case actually and if there are clues or leads that SY has turned up by having more experience in this kind of case because of the Scottish connection, then they should work together or hand them over.

Somehow, in all these investigations no such thing coming to light as an ACTUAL lead, of a real person, since the Smith/Tanner sightings, I'm kind of doubting that there is BIG arrest likely to be made, or maybe there will be but I think the connection to Madeleine's disappearance will be tenuous ie, there were pedos in Portugal when she went missing and here is one and we're arresting him, or we've found a gang and are arresting them - but what connection to McCann case? Maybe none at all.

There are paedophile rings aplenty I presume - it's a billion dollar business so Kate said in her book - it's not enough to have the tendency though you have to be found to have been connected with the abduction in order to be a big lead in this case.

Maybe those phone records turned some things up.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jejune on Fri 25 Oct - 0:02

chrissie1 wrote:Well after 6 years of reading these forums daily, (i dont post much because i know nothing) this reopening has give me new hope. If nothing comes of it then i will have to go and get a life
I'm with you chrissie. áI also know nothing á.

I can't believe that we can be presented with a fait accompli whereby Madeleine was abducted, but we don't know why and we don't know whom. áAll the resources and all the taxpayers' money will have to come up with more than that. áIf the conclusion is abduction they'll have to prevent some very convincing evidence, eg an abductor and/or a child. áWithout this, we'll be exactly where we were, and how's that going to work in convincing anybody that an abduction took place? áIf we do end up with the status quo, then this'll be me

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Post  FSoares on Fri 25 Oct - 0:23

widowan wrote:
FSoares wrote:
tanszi wrote:Claudia79 áand FSoares here have been many twists and turns in this investigation. áthis is just one more. á and who knows, Justice comes in many forms. áSY I believe has its own agenda, and many can see that. álets see where it takes them for often the plans of mice and men go awry. ánice to see you both.
Merely my opinion: all police forces have a higher force above them, generally the Government. The Government can indirectly influence an investigation. I could point out lots of examples. In this particular case, I think somebody wants to look well on the "photo". I don't believe in agendas. Police just have agendas when they mess up a case, framing the wrong ones, needing to cover it up. I don't think (in this particular case) they need to cover up anything they did. I still believe this is a cold case, and, unless a miracle happens I am going to believe the case went cold, even if two polices say they have new leads, ironically more or less at the same time. Even worse, is warning one of the parties involved they are innocent and not the focus of the investigation. I've never seen this in the past, and this looks very unprofessional to me. Whoever the police is checking it's never passed to ANY party involved. A serious investigation doesn't allow anyone outside the team to know in advance what is being done. If what Press is reporting is true, so I say shame on the PJ, shame on the SY.
agree I think pride /politics is reopening this case... cold case...

It costs a lot to run an investigation, although of course as far as the government is concerned it's all other people's money and no expense is usually spared by either party to cut costs or save when it could make them/their party look good for re election

also if the PJ does not want SY solving this for their own honor or whatever, that could make a difference, it's their case actually and if there are clues or leads that SY has turned up by having more experience in this kind of case because of the Scottish connection, then they should work together or hand them over.

Somehow, in all these investigations no such thing coming to light as an ACTUAL lead, of a real person, since the Smith/Tanner sightings, áI'm kind of doubting that there is BIG arrest likely to be made, or maybe there will be but I think the connection to Madeleine's disappearance will be tenuous ie, there were pedos in Portugal when she went missing and here is one and we're arresting him, or we've found a gang and are arresting them - but what connection to McCann case? Maybe none at all.

There are paedophile rings aplenty I presume - it's a billion ádollar business so Kate said in her book - áit's not enough to have the tendency though you have to be found to have been connected with the abduction in order to be a big lead in this case.

Maybe those phone records turned some things up.
Yes, you are right, I entirely agree.

I do not believe in any strenght these new leads might have. Knowing SY leaks to the press like a waterbag full of holes - PJ can do the same when it fits them too - we would know more by now than what we know. Unless somebody comes and demands a full silence in papers and TVs, this case will always have a small wind blowing to the ears of someone (to print, because Maddie sells papers actually and gives audiences to TVs). Probably there's not one but a lot of paedo gangs operating inside and outside Algarve. What surprises me, is how a nasty paedo gang with so many kids "more available" on a street/beach/supermarket, etc, decides to silently enter an appartment, after mounting a surveillance - they needed to do it, otherwise it would be impossible - to this family and group, picking up the oldest of the children that were sleeping. And they just got the gang after all these years, nobody saw anything (besides the two weak sightings) and nobody knows nothing. Ironically, this gang was waiting for the McCanns to "attack", exposing themselves to the obvious investigation instead of doing it in a different country where children wander on the street, living among the poverty, without needing to "strike" into a house. Something is wrong here!

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  Claudia79 on Fri 25 Oct - 0:46

Paedo gangs do no 'steal' children like this. Paedo gangs are smart (and disgusting) enough to buy children born in poverty for a small amount of money. Sad, I know, but true. If the lead is paedophilia, then an opportunistic paedo is much much much more likely.

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Post  widowan on Fri 25 Oct - 1:20

Claudia79 wrote:Paedo gangs do no 'steal' children like this. Paedo gangs are smart (and disgusting) enough to buy children born in poverty for a small amount of money. Sad, I know, but true. If the lead is paedophilia, then an opportunistic paedo is much much much more likely.
I agree. ásomeone could have watched for a child that had the trait they wanted (vulnerability, basically) or noticed one being left, and seeing these people repeatedly leave the kids, try all the doors - if Oldfield and whoever left theirs locked, and McCanns did not, that is easy enough to get your target, then pop in, pop out, into a car at least - I doubt wandering the streets for 20 minutes - over the border or wherever. A small town with few CCTVs with tourists always coming in and out it would be hard to pinpoint the one person who might have done it

When I think of someone interfering with a child I think of the psychopaths who abduct and kill them, because I can't imagine anyone who is not crazy and evil being engaged in such a thing as kidnapping a child for sexual reasons, they must be demonic. However the child trafficking trade doesn't consist only of áslavering psychopaths, but just horrible people, who make money from this, probably pornography for the Internet, or some other trade -but áonce she became the best known child in the world with her eye mark called out as a distinguishing mark, áit might have spelled the end.

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Post  pennylane on Fri 25 Oct - 10:24

People often ask 'Why would the McCanns request a SY review if they are guilty?' áWell we now know that the PJ in Portimoa opened their Review March 2011, two months prior to the McCann's open letter to Cameron skulduggery May 2011. The UK Operation Grange team, courtesy of the Home Office, was immediately launched, and they went about coordinating with another team in Oporto in search of the phantom abductor? Make of that what you will.

But what are the original team working on that have reopened the case??????

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Post  whatsupdoc on Fri 25 Oct - 21:06

Some Tweets from Joana...

A few points so far - CMTV states the reconstruction will go ahead and that the parents have showed their availability to attend

The McCanns have requested to be assistants to the process

the former Minister of the Interior (MAI) Rui Pereira said the McCanns should be constituted as arguidos until the end of the inquest

I think the prog started @ 1945 GMT

PS Tweet from Karen Pinto Eddie & Keela debut tonight on CMTV - sniffing out McCanns apartment - tick tock Kate & Gerry http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe

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Post  mossman on Fri 25 Oct - 21:17

pennylane wrote:People often ask 'Why would the McCanns request a SY review if they are guilty?' áWell we now know that the PJ in Portimoa opened their Review March 2011, two months prior to the McCann's open letter to Cameron skulduggery May 2011. The UK Operation Grange team, courtesy of the Home Office, was immediately launched, and they went about coordinating with another team in Oporto in search of the phantom abductor? Make of that what you will.

But what are the original team working on that have reopened the case??????

Pennylane, I have always said the letter was published because the McCanns knew there was going to be a review and they were pre-empting the announcement. Reading your post one wonders if the UK review was opened with a view to carrying out the whitewash and getting rid of the Portugese. Something seems to have gone wrong though.

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Post  tigger on Sat 26 Oct - 7:24

mossman wrote:
pennylane wrote:People often ask 'Why would the McCanns request a SY review if they are guilty?' áWell we now know that the PJ in Portimoa opened their Review March 2011, two months prior to the McCann's open letter to Cameron skulduggery May 2011. The UK Operation Grange team, courtesy of the Home Office, was immediately launched, and they went about coordinating with another team in Oporto in search of the phantom abductor? Make of that what you will.

But what are the original team working on that have reopened the case??????
Pennylane, I have always said the letter was published because the McCanns knew there was going to be a review and they were pre-empting the announcement. áReading your post one wonders if the UK review was opened with a view to carrying out the whitewash and getting rid of the Portugese. áSomething seems to have gone wrong though.
I hope so!
I do recall seeing or hearing Gerry say -a full year before that letter was published- áthat they wanted a review.
So that has always made me doubt the SY investigation.
Obviously many things are going on behind the scenes with constant adjustments - seems to have reached critical mass.
Will the McCanns be thrown to the lions yet the reasons for the protection stay hidden?

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