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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  Guest on Thu 24 Oct - 14:16

Portugal's attorney-general said "new elements of evidence" justified the "continuation of the investigation", which was shelved by police in 2008.
Continuation along the original lines? I don't see anything anywhere about it being re-opened on the premise of it being an abduction.

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Post  wjk on Thu 24 Oct - 14:17

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At the end of the meeting the group were joined by Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who were also briefed on the plans to apply to reopen the investigation.
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Sounds remarkably like Jimmy Saviles 'Friday Morning Club'!

Hiding in plain sight!
Oh l don't know, they've known for a week and never said anything and didn't sound overjoyed when the news was announced? Whyever not!
I'm praying that just because they were told, doesn't mean they were chuffed to bits to hear it! Hopefully (my fav word at the moment) they were the exact opposite!

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  wjk on Thu 24 Oct - 14:19

Iris wrote:
Portugal's attorney-general said "new elements of evidence" justified the "continuation of the investigation", which was shelved by police in 2008.
Continuation along the original lines? áI don't see anything anywhere about it being re-opened on the premise of it being an abduction.
Yes, I missed that bit when I read it! á
I just read the last paragraph and thought, here we go!!

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 24 Oct - 14:23

Iris wrote:
Portugal's attorney-general said "new elements of evidence" justified the "continuation of the investigation", which was shelved by police in 2008.
Continuation along the original lines? áI don't see anything anywhere about it being re-opened on the premise of it being an abduction.
It CONTINUES from HERE.

From everything that was exposed from the AUTOS, we conclude that:
A) The minor Madeleine McCann died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort, on the night of May 3rd of 2007;
B) It was performed a simulation of kidnapping;

C) In order to avoid the death [alarm] of the minor before 22H00, it was created a situation of the children's surveillance by the McCann while the children slept;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the occultation of the cadaver of their child Madeleine McCann;

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

So we suggest that the 'Autos' be sent to the EX.mo Sr. Procurador Geral da R'ublica [General Attorney], in order to:

G) NEW INTERROGATION OF THE ARGUIDOS KATE AND GERRY MCCANN;
H) Evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;

On the course of the house search to the residence of the McCann, a manuscript was found, a sort of diary, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann, and admitting that the same may contain elements that may help to reach the material truth of the facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

I) The photocopies of such document to be presented to the M.Mo Judge regarding its apprehension, if legal, translation and eventual recovery of elements to bring into the 'Autos' for future investigation.


CONCLUSION

On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

Tavares de Almeida

ETA: McCanns did a 'runner' on the NINTH of September 2007.

A day BEFORE PJ could get them back in for more questions!

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 24 Oct - 14:34

margaret wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:wjk:
At the end of the meeting the group were joined by Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who were also briefed on the plans to apply to reopen the investigation.
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Sounds remarkably like Jimmy Saviles 'Friday Morning Club'!

Hiding in plain sight!
Oh l don't know, they've known for a week and never said anything and didn't sound overjoyed when the news was announced? Why ever not!
Dumbass me!

They were only BRIEFED on the plans.

Bet THAT cheered them up no end............................NOT!

That middle aged 'protector' of underaged girls JG has just said 'it was the McCanns that 'pushed, pushed, pushed' for the case to be re-opened'

(only they 'forgot' to tell the PJ THAT!)

Oh dear. He seems to have convienetly 'forgetten' that Kate McCann, in her truthful book, said she was "GLAD the case was CLOSED, and that if the case was re-opened, OR NOT, it dosen't matter"


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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  margaret on Thu 24 Oct - 14:43

I've seen on the FB page that there's apparantly a 'ban' (requested by/in Portgual) on the new information being made public.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jassi on Thu 24 Oct - 14:46

Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:Maybe the Portuguese have got fed up with the SY fairy stories and want to put the record straight.

Good news indeed.
Have SY been castrated in their prime, that's what I want to know! áá
I had an idea they may try to cut their nuts off all this claiming revelations and tinkering with the timelines crimewatch rubbish.
May well see one hell of a fight developing now and the mccanns going to ground.dont think we'll see them appearing at the trial now.
Probably consider it far too dangerous for them to return to Portuguese territory.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 24 Oct - 14:46

margaret wrote:I've seen on the FB page that there's apparantly a 'ban' (requested by/in Portgual) on the new information being made public.
Well, that's very 'unhelpful and hurtful' for the rag tops isn't it?

I suppose they will have to 'make things up' now!

ááá

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Post  pennylane on Thu 24 Oct - 14:47

margaret wrote:I've seen on the FB page that there's apparantly a 'ban' (requested by/in Portgual) on the new information being made public.
How very professional of them. Rather shows up old Andy doesn't it!

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Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 24 Oct - 14:51

jassi wrote:
Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:Maybe the Portuguese have got fed up with the SY fairy stories and want to put the record straight.

Good news indeed.
Have SY been castrated in their prime, that's what I want to know! áá
I had an idea they may try to cut their nuts off all this claiming revelations and tinkering with the timelines crimewatch rubbish.
May well see one hell of a fight developing now and the mccanns going to ground.dont think we'll see them appearing at the trial now.
Probably consider it far too dangerous for them to return to Portuguese territory.
Ah yes, but if the PJ then 'let it slip' that they and their friends have 'refused' to co-operate with the new PJ investigation then they will be completely f**ked in the eyes of the UK public.

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Post  interested on Thu 24 Oct - 14:52

jeanmonroe wrote:
margaret wrote:I've seen on the FB page that there's apparantly a 'ban' (requested by/in Portgual) on the new information being made public.
Well, that's very 'unhelpful and hurtful' for the rag tops isn't it?

I suppose they will have to 'make things up' now!

ááá


Well, they have had six and one-half years experience making things up.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  widowan on Thu 24 Oct - 15:11

Between PJ secrecy of justice and the spin machine I am willing to discount most of what I see until the case is opened and done. Otherwise all you'll see is gypsies being raided to have their kids taken off them, a red herring if ever there was one, and notices of how much McCanns want them to reopen the case provided they themselves don't have to do a reconstruction of course and the focus is on finding this abductor.

The guy looked so much like Gerry but perhaps was one of the "blond" men lurking around the resort.

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Post  almostgothic on Thu 24 Oct - 15:21

McCann Scandal ‏@McCannScandal 1m
OFM: "Anyone continuing to carry on with the fallacy that the E-Fit is Gerry will be banned from this page." lol lol lol #mccann


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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  Panda on Thu 24 Oct - 15:28

pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:Maybe the Portuguese have got fed up with the SY fairy stories and want to put the record straight.

Good news indeed.
Have SY been castrated in their prime, that's what I want to know! áá
I had an idea they may try to cut their nuts off all this claiming revelations and tinkering with the timelines crimewatch rubbish.
May well see one hell of a fight developing now and the mccanns going to ground.dont think we'll see them appearing at the trial now.
Yep, I feel like there might be a fight brewing too. áAs we all know, Scotland Yard did a real bodge job of its CW timelines and reconstruction. áSo there isn't really much chance of the two investigations merging, unless Portugal is willing to lay down like a whupped puppy which I have trouble accepting. áSo are there now 3 teams working on the Maddie case? áThat would be absurd if so.

The spin is going to be mighty confusing, ascertaining which "Team" is doing what. Our chickenshit media is going to be a nightmare now. ááPortugal by all accounts doesn't report what its investigating, and rightly so. á

It really does seem like too much to hope for that justice is being done at last. áI'm dizzy by it all.
á
Ah but , the Portugese did not at that meeting open the case, they have only opened it at the request of the Oporto team you know the maxim , don't believe everything you read in the Papers. The McCanns will be expected to do their bit , like why they lied about the timelines and did not phone the Police until 10.40pm

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  pennylane on Thu 24 Oct - 15:33

Panda wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Lioned wrote:Maybe the Portuguese have got fed up with the SY fairy stories and want to put the record straight.

Good news indeed.
Have SY been castrated in their prime, that's what I want to know! áá
I had an idea they may try to cut their nuts off all this claiming revelations and tinkering with the timelines crimewatch rubbish.
May well see one hell of a fight developing now and the mccanns going to ground.dont think we'll see them appearing at the trial now.
Yep, I feel like there might be a fight brewing too. áAs we all know, Scotland Yard did a real bodge job of its CW timelines and reconstruction. áSo there isn't really much chance of the two investigations merging, unless Portugal is willing to lay down like a whupped puppy which I have trouble accepting. áSo are there now 3 teams working on the Maddie case? áThat would be absurd if so.

The spin is going to be mighty confusing, ascertaining which "Team" is doing what. Our chickenshit media is going to be a nightmare now. ááPortugal by all accounts doesn't report what its investigating, and rightly so. á

It really does seem like too much to hope for that justice is being done at last. áI'm dizzy by it all.
á
Ah but , the Portugese did not at that meeting open the case, they have only opened it at the request of the Oporto team you know the maxim , don't believe everything you read in the Papers. The McCanns will be expected to do their bit , like why they lied about the timelines and did not phone the Police until 10.40pm
Oh yeh, for sure! I don't believe diddly where the British media is concerned. Nothing is EVER as it seems.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  Panda on Thu 24 Oct - 16:14

Martin Brunt has just been talking and said the Oporto team will be following their own lines of enquiry, SY will be sending Officers back to Portugal to liase but they are conducting their own lines of enquiry I was very surprised that the MCanns attended a meeting last week with the top brass of Portugese Police so it seems as though abbduction is the theory of both parties. he McCanns have not been interviewed but are said to be very pleased with the news.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  widowan on Thu 24 Oct - 16:23

A spokesman for the McCanns reportedly said the change of heart may be partly due to publicity surrounding the case after the fresh appeal - and the recent discovery of an allegedly abducted blonde girl, known as Maria, who was found living with a Roma family in Greece

In other words, all our publicity really has paid off - we just need more "sightings"

I rather think the change of heart is not due to publicity but to Sy claiming they have new info in a case the PJ owns.

I hope this is not a competitive situation but a cooperative one at least to some degree. They could work better pooling resources or at least sharing info. Secrecy doesn't mean between police forces I think it is just the public who isn't meant to have everything being done in the papers

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  tanszi on Thu 24 Oct - 16:25

http://.content.met.police.uk/News/Portuguese-authorities-reopen-investigation-into-Madeleine=McCann/ confirm that AC Mark Rowley, and DCI Redwood and the PJ had a meeting at Lisbon. At the end of that meeting K and G McC were briefed on plans to reopen the investigation.

Why was it necessary for the McCs to be in Lisbon to learn this? just what is going on?

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Post  cass on Thu 24 Oct - 16:28

[quote="tanszi"]http://.content.met.police.uk/News/Portuguese-authorities-reopen-investigation-into-Madeleine=McCann/ áconfirm that AC Mark Rowley, and DCI Redwood and the PJ had a meeting at Lisbon. áAt the end of that meeting K and G McC were briefed on plans to reopen the investigation. á

Why was it necessary for the McCs to be in Lisbon to learn this? ájust what is going on?[/quoteonly reason i would think that the mcanns are in lisbon with pj is that something has been found and they need the mcxanns to identyfy it - omg

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  widowan on Thu 24 Oct - 16:34

cass wrote:
tanszi wrote:http://.content.met.police.uk/News/Portuguese-authorities-reopen-investigation-into-Madeleine=McCann/ áconfirm that AC Mark Rowley, and DCI Redwood and the PJ had a meeting at Lisbon. áAt the end of that meeting K and G McC were briefed on plans to reopen the investigation. á

Why was it necessary for the McCs to be in Lisbon to learn this? ájust what is going on?[/quoteonly reason i would think that the mcanns are in lisbon with pj is that something has been found and they need the mcxanns to identyfy it - omg
Like what? At this point human remains would be the job of the medical examiner, there would be nothing there they could identify.

I think they are keeping them in the loop, perhaps so that they understand this is NOT a job for Clarence to be standing on the steps of the police station waving an efit of an innocent tourist taking his kid home, or a job for whatever Haligen or Metodo McCanns may have doing their own thing. I think this is a "we're doing this, you be quiet" kind of message.

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jinvta on Thu 24 Oct - 16:38

Trying to be positive, but perhaps Redwoods revelation that the timelines are all wrong gives the Portuguese an excuse to reinterview the T9 (Tanner and Oldfield in particular) with regard to their discrepancies. The T9 can hardly refuse, as this is the "one best chance to find Maddie." Interesting times ahead.

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Post  tanszi on Thu 24 Oct - 16:42

I sincerely hope that is the case Widowan, but why the trip to Portugal with the AC and DCI, surely they could have done that in the UK. áI would be surprised if it was to tell them to keep schtum though because not a month or so ago Redwood asked for media restraint and look what we got. áThe McCs would find a way of getting stuff into the media like they did before with their family if they wanted to. áAlthough from what I now gather there is the SY/ Portimeo investigation and another one that is being run separately by the PJ, or maybe im just confused.

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Post  widowan on Thu 24 Oct - 16:54

what are the options?

they brought them to keep them in the loop in daughter's case

and/or to silence them and keep them from interfering this time, with a strict warning ( I hope in any case they'll get that)

they brought them to identify physical evidence or review photos etc to see if THEY know any of these people, what with Gerry so sociable he might have seen/spoken to fellows at the tennis courts or playground

they brought them to interview them, as a team, about their previous testimony and actions that night - a poor way to gain their cooperation but possibly the only way to get them there

they brought them to gain their cooperation in reviewing the recollection of the checks, etc which they refused to cooperate with the PJ initially, they can hardly do so now stating that the SY will also be trying to "fit them up"


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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  Panda on Thu 24 Oct - 16:59

jassi wrote:
Panda wrote:I think it is all academic now, it seems both SY and Oportos' enquiries are about ABDUCTION.!!!

A Portugese Journalist has just been interviewed and said in the beginning there were 100 Policemen involved in the search for Madeleine , now there are 4 more specialised Officers . They are no way connected to the SY investigation but the Attorney Genereal in Portugal needed their evidence to give the go-ahead., not the SY . Whatever they have come up with it is NOT the same as SY.
Abduction doesn't have to be by a stranger - removal by a family member can also be abduction.
Hi jassi, surely that is only in a case where either the father or the mother wants the child back.? I think this thread ought to be put in the sky News thread, it was only because i was just about to post on the Buzzard thread and the news turned to the McCanns on sky

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Re: MCCANN CASE TO BE REOPENED.

Post  jeanmonroe on Thu 24 Oct - 17:01

tanszi wrote:http://.content.met.police.uk/News/Portuguese-authorities-reopen-investigation-into-Madeleine=McCann/ áconfirm that AC Mark Rowley, and DCI Redwood and the PJ had a meeting at Lisbon. áAt the end of that meeting K and G McC were briefed on plans to reopen the investigation. á

Why was it necessary for the McCs to be in Lisbon to learn this? ájust what is going on?
Probably they and SY trying to get at á'what's not in the released files' information so they can prepare an 'innocent explanation' for 'descrepancies '

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