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Post  widowan on Tue 3 Dec - 0:13

What did SY do?

They opened a review of the McCann case, and what did they do?

They asked for all the files to be handed over to them... including of course the files the McCanns had with their "own" investigation.

They reviewed first the Tanner sighting, and what did they do?

They found the person that Tanner saw, and he wasn't the kidnapper - what did they do? did they sweep that under the rug? Continue as if the guy McCanns have been focused on for 6 years is the abductor?

No, they said he wasn't the guy. So what did they do?

They made McCanns look like liars and fantasists,,, whose investigation or "firm beliefs" are false and had misled the investigation for 6 years.

They opened up the timeline such that a sighting later isn't so ridiculous after all... putting the timeline of the "alarm" at 940 which means that mcCanns lied about the ten pm check being the one that found Madeleine missing, and that Gerry was arguably possible suspect of the 955 Smith sighting. And what else did they do?

They found a report by Halligen's sub contractor, a top MI5 guy, & what did they do?

Did they look through it like it was a Playboy magazine, looking only at the pictures or did they read the whole thing?

I'm betting they read it - including the report attached to the efits, "highly critical of McCanns" - what did they do?

They publicized that photo, hooray! Look who it could have been, at 955.

Did they do this thinking "thank God no one knows the details of this case, or knows what Gerry McCann looks like - we can publish this photo and no one will think this could be him"?

Did they think "luckily, the relationship with Halligen went without a hitch and their report and efit will be happily a part of the case going forward" or did they have some glimmer of a notion that the guy left under a huge cloud and his subs went unpaid?

Gee, I wonder if they read Kate's book? or any of the press about the Halligen relationship, where he used former MI5 top guys? What did they do? Ignore those guys, or talk to them when they read the report/saw the efit?

Did they think "McCanns used Carter Ruck only to sue papers for lies, I am sure they never used them to suppress information that would be hurtful and unhelpful to their case even if accurate?"

Then they publicized an efit that looks JUST LIKE Gerry McCann, at a time when he was available to have been carting madeleine off. Knowing full well as we all do that McCanns used CR to suppress Amaral's book, Pat Brown's book, and the Halligen report?

Were they surprised when MI5 guy came forth and said "that's not NEW, that's MINE, and I was never paid, in fact, McCanns had Carter Ruck contact me and inform me that this is top secret information?" Surprise! A top force like Sy would probably have known that, right?

Any novice lawyer knows never to ask a question to which he does not already know the answer. PJ has lawyers in their ranks, I wonder if SY does as well? Do they just go off half cocked? Throw stuff out without any inkling of whether it could help or hurt their investigation?

Or maybe it could be they have top investigators somewhere within their ranks in SY, ámight be one or two people who are not entirely asleep at the switch who might think, gee, if we put this efit out there, the McCanns can hardly object - after ALL, Kate mentions in her book this sighting and that it could be the kidnapper - she just doesn't show the efit! We can be helpful here, and at the same time, they have no recourse because this is their investigation, their files, and their suspect that Kate mentions.

So what does that do?

now we have in the papers published info from the MI5 lead investigator that this efit was suppressed along with a report highly critical of McCanns and SY's hands are totally clean. GOSH! You should have told us you had suppressed this! Anything else you think we should know?

If lawyers had meter boxes attached to their cases, like the electricity meters we have here to measure our usage, I think we'd have seen McCann CR and criminal lawyer's meter box start ticking like they just plugged in all the Christmas lights at once ...

What did they DO? They got Clarence Mitchell to say "no comment" - when's the last time that happened in this case? Mr pretend Policeman with your bundleman efit?

Then what did they do?

They asked for a joint investigation with the PJ.

What are the PJ investigating? Other possible abduction scenarios to be sure but also the Other Scenario. So now they can share information. Only about the other possible abductors -?

So now, the PJ can ask for this information that SY got their hands on - and possibly other information they can get from inside the UK - maybe phone records. Maybe doctor's reports on the McCann kids and their history, maybe Kate McCann's medical records - not to check if she was depressed and had rage issues of course or if they had issues with Maddie - behavioral, sleep, etc - but if those are in there.... whoops.

If the timeline is dodgy, as it is, what with Jane's sighting and all, what did they do? Ask for further interviews maybe? In English, by people who speak the language and can probe? And tell the world that those checks were not real?

Somehow they know Matt Oldfield didn't do a 930 check on áMcCanns kids... what does that do?

It declares to everyone else who isn't asleep, that the checks were inventions... could that possibly include the PJ getting that info?

I don't know, it may all be a giant blunder. But thus far I think for a force that is "pursuing an agenda" favorable to mcCanns they have managed to back them into a corner that keeps their mouths shut and opens up all kinds of information to be available to themselves, to the PJ and to the public.

What would you do? If the powers that be told you to follow only the abduction line and not the rest? In order to find the truth - or to protect your agency if the truth is not what the powers that be want to be found out?

Possibly something very like this.

What a good coincidence.

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Re: What did SY do??

Post  LJC on Tue 3 Dec - 23:51

I am sure that SY cannot do their job properly without the full co-operation of the McCanns and if SY feel they are not getting this co-operation they will force the McCanns to co-operate.

I can imagine that SY chiefs and the McCanns sat down at the beginning and had a very big heart to heart and SY would be telling the McCanns that they had to be open and honest with SY and in turn SY will be open and honest with them, even if it hurts!

I doubt SY have sprung their 'revelation' on the McCanns, but all the same it was uncomfortable for them and they knew what the outcome was going to be.

SY knew all along that Tanner's abductor did not add up, but until the moment when they could reveal who he was they let it lie.

It would seem now that Beach man/Creche man has come forward to identify himself. Why he didn't come forward is strange, or did SY have to work hard to track him down perhaps?

Without him being identified though it was hard to disprove what Tanner was saying and SY knew that and SY really, really wanted to find this man, who they knew all along they would eliminate, just to have the proof before them that the abduction did not take place at that particular time. This was very important.

Its all very well for us here on forums to ridicule Tanner, but we did not have proof, no one did. What SY have done is give us that proof.

They will do the same with the Smith sighting. They will not rest until they have identified this person and the fact that they seem to be having far more trouble in identifying who this person is, is very telling, as it would seem it is not a holidaymaker that they can track down easily. And they have told the McCanns, whether they like it or not, they are going to reveal this e-fit to the world. That is SY being open and honest with the McCanns, even though it may hurt. How much it hurts though remains to be seen, but the McCanns have gone very quiet since SY have started talking serious talk.

Yes Widowan, you are right, SY are gradually pushing the McCanns into a corner.


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Re: What did SY do??

Post  kitti on Wed 4 Dec - 7:24

Does Portugal have these files from Met 3 etc?


If they have, wonder what there uptake is of Deadwoods 'revelation moment'.


I be the PJ had their 'revelation moment' when they found out about Deadwoods 'revelation moment'.


Bet you could hear the PJ's laughing from porto in the mccanns front room.

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Re: What did SY do??

Post  widowan on Wed 4 Dec - 15:11

LJC wrote:I am sure that SY cannot do their job properly without the full co-operation of the McCanns and if SY feel they are not getting this co-operation they will force the McCanns to co-operate. á

I can imagine that SY chiefs and the McCanns sat down at the beginning and had a very big heart to heart and SY would be telling the McCanns that they had to be open and honest with SY and in turn SY will be open and honest with them, even if it hurts!


I doubt SY have sprung their 'revelation' on the McCanns, but all the same it was uncomfortable for them and they knew what the outcome was going to be. á


SY knew all along that Tanner's abductor did not add up, but until the moment when they could reveal who he was they let it lie.

It would seem now that Beach man/Creche man has come forward to identify himself. áWhy he didn't come forward is strange, or did SY have to work hard to track him down perhaps? á

Without him being identified though it was hard to disprove what Tanner was saying and SY knew that and SY really, really wanted to find this man, who they knew all along they would eliminate, just to have the proof before them that the abduction did not take place at that particular time. áThis was very important.

Its all very well for us here on forums to ridicule Tanner, but we did not have proof, no one did. áWhat SY have done is give us that proof.

They will do the same with the Smith sighting. áThey will not rest until they have identified this person and the fact that they seem to be having far more trouble in identifying who this person is, is very telling, as it would seem it is not a holidaymaker that they can track down easily. áAnd they have told the McCanns, whether they like it or not, they are going to reveal this e-fit to the world. áThat is SY being open and honest with the McCanns, even though it may hurt. áHow much it hurts though remains to be seen, but the McCanns have gone very quiet since SY have started talking serious talk.

Yes Widowan, you are right, SY are gradually pushing the McCanns into a corner.

It could all be a coincidence but for that to be true, given all the information at everyone's disposal, it would be a poor investigation indeed that had no strategy around this and didn't use the available material to pinpoint areas of deception or "mis remembering" - I think they probably did sit them down and say you need to be ready for this, for whatever it opens up and it may not be pretty. And that leaves little room for McCanns to do anything but cooperate.

I don't know that they'd have told McCanns, when showing the efit of Smith man, that the MI5 guy (Exton?) was going to blow his stack to the news and it would come out that they had had CR suppress this. They might not even have known that he would contact the papers. Now it's done though.

If they find Smith man, what does that do? Apart from destroy the one piece of "evidence" that there was an abduction? If they don't find him, and he looks just like Gerry it may be more reason to keep quiet. I would think they'd be vetting those timeline stories very carefully at this point. Moving that time from 10 back to 940 when they left the table does in fact give time for Gerry to have walked that far though how he'd get out past his pals is another question, That would put them all or most of them, in it up to their necks.

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Re: What did SY do??

Post  widowan on Wed 4 Dec - 15:17

kitti wrote:Does Portugal have these files from Met 3 etc?


If they have, wonder what there uptake is of Deadwoods 'revelation moment'.


I be the PJ had their 'revelation moment' when they found out about Deadwoods 'revelation moment'.


Bet you could hear the PJ's laughing from porto in the mccanns front room.
It would sure be tough to ask for a joint investigation without providing the files to the PJ, wouldn't it?

Tit for tat - they got all or most of the PJ files, though possibly not the most incriminating stuff, which they might have held back - it wasn't all in the files they published if I recall correctly.

I think many people assumed when Sy said they'd be reviewing the case they only would review the job the PJ had done and also assumed they'd be only looking like numpties for possible kidnappers and not going back and really digging into the primary witness stories. That can't be true.

Their work could well clear the McCanns properly of involvement beyond the neglect - or it could bury them.

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