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Post  maebee on Tue 31 Dec - 1:38

jinvta wrote:Never, ever leaving toddlers alone is not "perfect" parenting, it is just normal, commonsense parenting. People who post stuff like this look like complete morons.

Agreed jin.They ARE morons. "We don't care what you think about leaving children alone" - Unbelievable!

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Post  kitti on Tue 31 Dec - 8:59

Well Gerry did say it was getting 'boring' now didn't he.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Tue 31 Dec - 10:38

I think that the idea is to reinforce the idea that, apart from making a mistake in leaving the children alone, the McCanns have done nothing wrong.

If I was able to believe their story, I would not have a problem with that, nor would I be critical of them because, heaven knows, I have made some terrible judgements as a parent myself.

However, as we know, their story has more holes in it than a string vest and their behaviour ever since screams out that they are trying to hide some very unsavoury truths.




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Post  Guest on Tue 31 Dec - 10:59

If they had come right out and openly said-what we did was very wrong , please don't do what we did, you see the tragedy that can happen- then nobody would feel the need to keep going on about it, now would they. Even their apologist groupies try to do it for them - don't you pitchforkers all realise they know they made a mistake etc - yet still they blame everyone else but themselves. Even if they were to admit responsibility now it would probably be much too little and far too late.

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Post  kitti on Tue 31 Dec - 14:27

The fact is, whatever happened to Madeleine was BECAUSE she was left alone, they openly admit that they went out night after night leaving an opportunity for harm to come to her yet they take absolutely NO responsibility for this happening.


Disgraceful ...

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Post  Panda on Tue 31 Dec - 18:01

For me, the part that is the most offensive apart from leaving their children alone EVERY NIGHT, it is that they set up a Fund donated by caring people supposedly to search for Madeleine, but that is just what they didn't do, nor did the 2 Detectives they hired when there was enough money in the Fund to hire the best.

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Post  jinvta on Wed 1 Jan - 5:17

The Find Madeleine Fund really has nothing to do with the "search" for Madeleine and everything to do with protecting the reputations and freedom of the McCanns. How they equate the "Fund" to the "Search" as if they are one and the same is baffling. They define harm to the search as a reduction in money coming into the fund and regular people no longer actively searching for Madeleine, when they never bothered to actually search themselves. It is absolutely sickening. I can't wait until the Mccann vs Amaral case is ruled in Amaral's favor. The McCanns have gotten away with "murder" long enough.

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Post  Panda on Wed 1 Jan - 6:21

This case has never been straightforward from day 1 nor will it end with any more information than we have now.A couple of years ago on a Holiday flight I happened to be sitting next to an ex Detective and asked him what he thought. He said every Policeman in his Station believed the McCanns guilty of disposing of Madeleines' body but until this was found there could be no Trial.

It is true that nothing has changed except the McCanns suit against Amaral and the scales of Justice in this case are fluctuationg with each new piece of "evidence" but nothing can be proved so the expectation that Amaral will win automatically cannot be assumed. There is still no evidence that Madeleine is dead or alive and although everyone is entitled to an opinion and Amaral was using the Final PJ Report, Tony Bennett was charged †with Libel and lost .
The SY team have come up with nothing and if the Oporto team have not found anything new after all the time and money spent on this case nothing has been achieved and I think the PJ ought to close it .

Right Job's comforter aren't I ††.

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Post  comperedna on Wed 1 Jan - 14:35

Panda,

Hi there and a Happy New Year!

FWIW - Tony Bennett wasn't charged with libel and lost. He was charged with breaking an undertaking he made to the court: quite a different matter.

As regards the hitherto appallingly bad UK libel laws, which muzzled free speech, and made it so ridiculously easy for complainers to win their cases unreasonably that people came from countries all over the world to run their libel courses here...

From today the LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. It is now a proper defence to say that what you claim in a supposedly libellous statement is TRUE. Before, those who said they were libelled merely had to claim their reputation had been damaged by the supposed libel. Serious science reporters used to make assessments of quack remedies, and so on, and say they were ineffective, and those who made the junk medications or treatments merely had to say their reputations had been damaged by the reports to win! NOW, the fact that the criticism is true is a defence, and perhaps more importantly, vexatious and silly claims for libel will not be proceed because it has to be clear beforehand that actual damage to the complainer's reputation has genuinely happened and that it was serious.

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Post  Panda on Wed 1 Jan - 15:53

comperedna wrote:Panda,

Hi there and a Happy New Year!

FWIW - Tony Bennett wasn't charged with libel and lost. He was charged with breaking an undertaking he made to the court: quite a different matter.

As regards the hitherto appallingly bad UK libel laws, which muzzled free speech, and made it so ridiculously easy for complainers to win their cases unreasonably that people came from countries all over the world to run their libel courses here...

From today the LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. It is now a proper defence to say that what you claim in a supposedly libellous statement is TRUE. Before, those who said they were libelled merely had to claim their reputation had been damaged by the supposed libel. Serious science reporters used to make assessments of quack remedies, and so on, and say they were ineffective, and those who made the junk medications or treatments merely had to say their reputations had been damaged by the reports to win! NOW, the fact that the criticism is true is a defence, and perhaps more importantly, vexatious and silly claims for libel will not be proceed because it has to be clear beforehand that actual damage to the complainer's reputation has genuinely happened and that it was serious.

Hi Comparedna, Yes, your'e right, it was because he reneged on his undertaking not to sell any books which the McCanns suggested were libellous.

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Post  Guest on Wed 1 Jan - 16:47

comperedna wrote:Panda,

Hi there and a Happy New Year!

FWIW - Tony Bennett wasn't charged with libel and lost. He was charged with breaking an undertaking he made to the court: quite a different matter.

As regards the hitherto appallingly bad UK libel laws, which muzzled free speech, and made it so ridiculously easy for complainers to win their cases unreasonably that people came from countries all over the world to run their libel courses here...

From today the LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. It is now a proper defence to say that what you claim in a supposedly libellous statement is TRUE. Before, those who said they were libelled merely had to claim their reputation had been damaged by the supposed libel. Serious science reporters used to make assessments of quack remedies, and so on, and say they were ineffective, and those who made the junk medications or treatments merely had to say their reputations had been damaged by the reports to win! NOW, the fact that the criticism is true is a defence, and perhaps more importantly, vexatious and silly claims for libel will not be proceed because it has to be clear beforehand that actual damage to the complainer's reputation has genuinely happened and that it was serious.

This is a direct result of the Association of British Chiropractors suing Simon Singh.

Unfortunately there is a loophole. The new law does not apply to Northern Ireland. So all that a vexatious litigant has to do is sue in a NI court.

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Post  widowan on Wed 1 Jan - 16:59

jinvta wrote:The Find Madeleine Fund really has nothing to do with the "search" for Madeleine and everything to do with protecting the reputations and freedom of the McCanns. How they equate the "Fund" to the "Search" as if they are one and the same is baffling. They define harm to the search as a reduction in money coming into the fund and regular people no longer actively searching for Madeleine, when they never bothered to actually search themselves. It is absolutely sickening. I can't wait until the Mccann vs Amaral case is ruled in Amaral's favor. The McCanns have gotten away with "murder" long enough.

The very key to PR is how you name things. A good name is worth hundreds of lines of spin. So calling the Fund the Search is perfect; brilliant PR. People are giving to the Search. No, Kate, people are giving to the FUND which has spent thus far about 18% of itself on anything to do with the search. That being the Halligen report, which you suppressed and then went on to tell everyone what a good job he did in uncovering things and providing feedback.

What is incredible and annoying is that they knew when they set the fund up what they'd use it for, and have been careful to state that people just wanted to "help them" - I think people wanted to help HER, help Maddie and the search for her. Not help the family do whatever they think is best to do, like take a vacation or make house payments.

Kate and Gerry felt that the money made sense to be spent on PR campaign about false sightings, to defame Amaral, on defense and extradition attorneys and did not feel it made sense to spend it searching or helping the police search. I doubt that the £300,000 report Exton produced was sent winging its way to either LP or the PJ. Because it would be counter productive.

For a thing to be counter productive there has to be an end in mind whose aim is not helped - what end or goal were they thinking that a report (produced by MI5 spies who were Top Quality) and an efit of the suspect, would not be helped by?

the same end as usual - not the search... truth, justice, or finding what happened to madeleine but their own campaign to protect their reputations, stay out of jail and raise money.

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