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Re: Trial postponed

Post  jeanmonroe on Tue 7 Jan - 12:29

More to do with suppression of E-Fits by Mc's and MPS, imo.

That couldn't have done more 'damage' to the 'search', if they tried.

The witholding of an e-fit of a possible suspect, by the investigative force, the MPS, for 2 years 2 months, that could have led to the possible apprehension of a possible 'abductor' of a three years old child and possible recovery of that child, 2 years and 2 months ago, is totally incomprehensible and 'hampering the search' in this way is harmful to the parents of the 'missing' child to the nth degree.

SUING THE METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE IS THE VERY LEAST THE MCCANNS SHOULD DO!

But will they dare do THAT?

Does anyone know if GA turned up at court, today, with his lawyers?


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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 12:33

almostgothic wrote:IIRC the defence lawyers were ordered to deliver some financial documents at some point.

Was that Duarte asking for the Publishers of Amaral's book to confirm that no book was sold after the injunction.? How come all these are just last minute , the McCanns and Amaral have had over 2 years to prepare their case. I couldn't understand why Amarals' Lawyer didn't tell the judge that Duarte held on to the Books after the injunction was lifted and it took a Court to order her to return them. I think we would have done a better job in preparing for this case.  

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Post  Guest on Tue 7 Jan - 12:34

They must be important documents if the Judge has agreed to delay the trial. She already refused to let either the McCanns or Dr Amaral speak because obviously she didn't think that they could add anything to what had already been said. Why is this different?

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Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 12:44

Iris wrote:They must be important documents if the Judge has agreed to delay the trial.  She already refused to let either the McCanns or Dr Amaral speak because obviously she didn't think that they could add anything to what had already been said.  Why is this different?
 
Maybe Amaral wants proof that Madeleines' name is taken off the WOC Document , didn't the McCanns go to the WOC Judge a while ago asking for Leicester Police to release Documents? If her name wasn't subsequently deleted it reduces the amount claimed by the McCanns and presupposes that Madeleine is alive. .....why the H*** didn't Amaral think of this before now, he was a Police Inspector.  I'm only assuming that's what this is all about.

I do remember that the McCanns had to take Madeleine's name off the claim because she is a Ward of Court and they were not entitled to act for her.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  jeanmonroe on Tue 7 Jan - 12:51

Panda wrote:
Iris wrote:They must be important documents if the Judge has agreed to delay the trial.  She already refused to let either the McCanns or Dr Amaral speak because obviously she didn't think that they could add anything to what had already been said.  Why is this different?
 
Maybe Amaral wants proof that Madeleines' name is taken off the WOC Document , didn't the McCanns go to the WOC Judge a while ago asking for Leicester Police to release Documents? If her name wasn't subsequently deleted it reduces the amount claimed by the McCanns and presupposes that Madeleine is alive. .....why the H*** didn't Amaral think of this before now, he was a Police Inspector.  I'm only assuming that's what this is all about.

I do remember that the McCanns had to take Madeleine's name off the claim because she is a Ward of Court and they were not entitled to act for her.

Panda: please don't take offence, but best not to 'assume' anything.

It will make an ASS oUt of you and ME!

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 13:14

jeanmonroe wrote:
Panda wrote:
Iris wrote:They must be important documents if the Judge has agreed to delay the trial.  She already refused to let either the McCanns or Dr Amaral speak because obviously she didn't think that they could add anything to what had already been said.  Why is this different?
 
Maybe Amaral wants proof that Madeleines' name is taken off the WOC Document , didn't the McCanns go to the WOC Judge a while ago asking for Leicester Police to release Documents? If her name wasn't subsequently deleted it reduces the amount claimed by the McCanns and presupposes that Madeleine is alive. .....why the H*** didn't Amaral think of this before now, he was a Police Inspector.  I'm only assuming that's what this is all about.

I do remember that the McCanns had to take Madeleine's name off the claim because she is a Ward of Court and they were not entitled to act for her.

Panda: please don't take offence, but best not to 'assume' anything.

It will make an ASS oUt of you and ME!
 
My assumption was the word " Documents" being legal so it is not OTT to think it could be to do with Madeleine's name on the list of Plaintiffs, Sean and Amelies are and Madeleine was, the three of them having been affected by Amaral's Book and Video according to the Parents. Nothing will make an Ass out of you jeanmonroe....me yes.  

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Christine on Tue 7 Jan - 13:50

I'm sure Sr Amaral has good reasons for doing this, but that makes me wonder why wait until the day of the trial, or is this coincidence? Which beggs the question: since when was it known that the trial would be postponed?

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 14:10

Christine wrote:I'm sure Sr Amaral has good reasons for doing this, but that makes me wonder why wait until the day of the trial, or is this coincidence? Which beggs the question: since when was it known that the trial would be postponed?
 
Amaral's Lawyer is comparativley new to him and maybe the previous Lawyer did not keep proper records Christine. Or maybe the Documents may relate to soem evidence which was not submitted earlier. Hard to say, I presume we will know tomorrow, courtesy of the Press or our Portugese friends.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  kitti on Tue 7 Jan - 14:43

Perhaps mr amaral has either just come across this information or.........hes been sitting on this and really has just decided hes now going to use it......can you blame him, hes being advised by his lawyer just like the mccanns are being advised by duarte.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Claudia79 on Tue 7 Jan - 15:12

Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request allows the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.


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Re: Trial postponed

Post  wjk on Tue 7 Jan - 15:40

Afternoon Panda    There is this trial against Amaral.
And there is the reopening of the case in Portugal. This is the one they want to be 'assistentes' in, the reopening as Claudia says, to get info on what the investigation has.   

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 15:44

Claudia79 wrote:Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request alloes the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.

Claudia, I havn't mentioned the assistente, mainly why there should be a delay. I know Amaral is a friend of yours and if you are Portugese you will defend your Country, which is fair enough. I think it is fair to say that we Brits will publicly criticise our Country, it's called Democracy and maybe you should try to be tolerant of any criticsm of Portugese Justice, it really is hard for us to understand this laissez faire attitude the Court Allows.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Claudia79 on Tue 7 Jan - 15:52

Panda wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request alloes the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.

Claudia, I havn't mentioned the assistente, mainly why there should be a delay. I know Amaral is a friend of yours and if you are Portugese you will defend your Country, which is fair enough. I think it is fair to say that we Brits will publicly criticise our Country, it's called Democracy and maybe you should try to be tolerant of any criticsm of Portugese Justice, it really is hard for us to understand this laissez faire attitude the Court Allows.

Panda, you certainly mentioned the 'assistente' thing and mixed it with the trial:

Panda wrote:This is unbelievable!!! The charge against Amaral was brought by the McCanns well over 2 years ago , the McCanns had no intention of being there themselves, a few months ago they tried to do a deal with Amaral but he refused,causing 6 months delay in the Trial. When they could see their witnesses hadn't done them any favours they applied to be asistentes, now their Lawyer , the poison Dwarf is at it again, appealing for a delay . If the Judge allows this I will be very disapointed in the Legal system in Portugal. Rant over.

Secondly, I am not defending the justice system in my country. In fact, I hate it. I'm explaining it, which is different, so people don't get the idea that these delays are related to the people involved. They aren't. They are common, they happen all the time, with all people whether they are known or anonymous. Every time there is a delay or an adjournment there are people suggesting it's because it's the McCanns and GA. it's not. Sadly. We may not like it and it may be annoying but it's the reality and it will not change because there are high profile people involved.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Panda on Tue 7 Jan - 16:12

Claudia79 wrote:
Panda wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request alloes the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.

Claudia, I havn't mentioned the assistente, mainly why there should be a delay. I know Amaral is a friend of yours and if you are Portugese you will defend your Country, which is fair enough. I think it is fair to say that we Brits will publicly criticise our Country, it's called Democracy and maybe you should try to be tolerant of any criticsm of Portugese Justice, it really is hard for us to understand this laissez faire attitude the Court Allows.

Panda, you certainly mentioned the 'assistente' thing and mixed it with the trial:

Panda wrote:This is unbelievable!!! The charge against Amaral was brought by the McCanns well over 2 years ago , the McCanns had no intention of being there themselves, a few months ago they tried to do a deal with Amaral but he refused,causing 6 months delay in the Trial. When they could see their witnesses hadn't done them any favours they applied to be asistentes, now their Lawyer , the poison Dwarf is at it again, appealing for a delay . If the Judge allows this I will be very disapointed in the Legal system in Portugal.  Rant over.

Secondly, I am not defending the justice system in my country. In fact, I hate it. I'm explaining it, which is different, so people don't get the idea that these delays are related to the people involved. They aren't. They are common, they happen all the time, with all people whether they are known or anonymous. Every time there is a delay or an adjournment there are people suggesting it's because it's the McCanns and GA. it's not. Sadly. We may not like it and it may be annoying but it's the reality and it will not change because there are high profile people involved.

Right Claudia, I'm glad you agree that the Portugese judicial system is not the best in the World and there are all these last gasp requests In the UK
the Judge would take charge and not give in to these last minute demands , both by the McCanns and Amaral, When you look at what has been acheived since the first day ....very little. The Plaintiff and Defendant should have been well prepared by their Lawyers. Just out of interest, do they have many Male Judges in Portugal ??? This case has had a female judge each time   

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Claudia79 on Tue 7 Jan - 18:34

Panda wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:
Panda wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request alloes the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.

Claudia, I havn't mentioned the assistente, mainly why there should be a delay. I know Amaral is a friend of yours and if you are Portugese you will defend your Country, which is fair enough. I think it is fair to say that we Brits will publicly criticise our Country, it's called Democracy and maybe you should try to be tolerant of any criticsm of Portugese Justice, it really is hard for us to understand this laissez faire attitude the Court Allows.

Panda, you certainly mentioned the 'assistente' thing and mixed it with the trial:

Panda wrote:This is unbelievable!!! The charge against Amaral was brought by the McCanns well over 2 years ago , the McCanns had no intention of being there themselves, a few months ago they tried to do a deal with Amaral but he refused,causing 6 months delay in the Trial. When they could see their witnesses hadn't done them any favours they applied to be asistentes, now their Lawyer , the poison Dwarf is at it again, appealing for a delay . If the Judge allows this I will be very disapointed in the Legal system in Portugal.  Rant over.

Secondly, I am not defending the justice system in my country. In fact, I hate it. I'm explaining it, which is different, so people don't get the idea that these delays are related to the people involved. They aren't. They are common, they happen all the time, with all people whether they are known or anonymous. Every time there is a delay or an adjournment there are people suggesting it's because it's the McCanns and GA. it's not. Sadly. We may not like it and it may be annoying but it's the reality and it will not change because there are high profile people involved.

Right Claudia, I'm glad you agree that the Portugese judicial system is not the best in the World and there are all these last gasp requests In the UK
the Judge would take charge and not give in to these last minute demands , both by the McCanns and Amaral,  When you look at what has been acheived since the first day ....very little. The Plaintiff and Defendant should have been well prepared by their Lawyers. Just out of interest, do they have many Male Judges in Portugal ??? This case has had a female judge each time   

These last requests only happen because the law allows them. And the judges have to enforce the law.
I would say that female judges are still a minority although I am pretty certain that currently there are more women than men in law schools. And in med school too.

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Post  LJC on Wed 8 Jan - 16:08

Claudia79 wrote:Panda, once again, the 'assistentes' request has nothing whatsoever to do with this libel trial or any other trial for that matter. They requested to be 'assistentes' regarding the INVESTIGATION which was recently re-opened. If granted that request allows the McCanns and their legal team to have access to details of the investigation they wouldn't have if they weren't 'assistentes'.
As for the delay, there are several possible reasons to explain it but nothing to do with Eusébio's death. If the McCanns appealed the judge's decision which forbade them to address the court that would be one reason. Any of the parties asking to add documents would be another. Anyone from the several legal teams being sick or being involved in other trials would be other reasons. Without confirmation it's just speculation.

wjk wrote:Afternoon Panda    There is this trial against Amaral.
And there is the reopening of the case in Portugal. This is the one they want to be 'assistentes' in, the reopening as Claudia says, to get info on what the investigation has.   

That's correct. As explained above Panda, please do not confuse the court case with the Police (PJ) investigation. They are separate. The McCanns have applied to become assistentes in the Police investigation case which, I think I am right in saying, would benefit them from the point of view of being kept briefed by the Police and by having more input and say into what the Police are doing.

Nothing to do with court cases, libel trials or whatever goes to court or goes on at court. Purely and simply its the Police investigation case by the PJ.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  kitti on Wed 8 Jan - 20:26

Did you get that Panda?

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  almostgothic on Thu 9 Jan - 13:42

From Twitter:

Nigel Moore ‏@mccannfiles 3m

GA lawyer on court delay: "There is a legal conflict in whether or not Kate and Gerry McCann can represent their daughter in court." #mccann

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  pamalam on Thu 9 Jan - 13:52



Astro: Libel Trial Report direct from the Court House, 07 January 2014 Day 11

Posted with kind permission from astro


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/81jan14/Astro_07_01_2014.htm

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Guest on Thu 9 Jan - 13:59

TY Pamalam

Gonçalo Amaral's lawyer filed a request for the court to evaluate the McCann couple's legitimacy to file a lawsuit in their daughter's name, as she is a Ward of Court in the UK.

He did not ask for any postponement. It was the judge that issued a 15-day deadline for him to submit the relevant documentation.

Afterwards, Dr Isabel Duarte filed a document that is related to Mr Alan Pike, and asked for a postponement of Tuesday's session.

This information is not covered by judicial secrecy and can be freely shared.

MR Alan that's-not-a-real-psychologist Pike. It was DUARTE who requested the postponement. So much for Dr Amaral "running scared".   


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Post  Lioned on Thu 9 Jan - 14:01

kitti wrote:Did you get that Panda?



Panda,here is a group of Assistentes for you !

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Lioned on Thu 9 Jan - 14:05

pamalam wrote:

Astro: Libel Trial Report direct from the Court House, 07 January 2014 Day 11

Posted with kind permission from astro


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/81jan14/Astro_07_01_2014.htm

Thanks Pamalam.

That would be an extraordinary turn of events if it was found the mccanns were not capable of bringing this case to Court,infact a major Legal cock up.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  Guest on Thu 9 Jan - 14:12

They can bring the case to court on behalf of themselves and the twins. But not Madeleine.

I think GA is putting insurance in place in case he loses - which I don't think is going to happen, but he is quite right to be prudent. He would have to pay damages for the McCanns and the twins but NOT for Madeleine. So even if the McCanns win (and it is a BIG if) they won't be getting anything like £1m.

A wee reminder of Alan Pretendy-Psychologist Pike.


GP – Have you read the final report?
AP says "no".

GP – How do you know then what its conclusions are?
AP says the McCanns told him.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2304.0


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Re: Trial postponed

Post  frencheuropean on Thu 9 Jan - 14:23

Iris wrote:They can bring the case to court on behalf of themselves and the twins.  But not Madeleine.

I think GA is putting insurance in place in case he loses - which I don't think is going to happen, but he is quite right to be prudent.  He would have to pay damages for the McCanns and the twins but NOT for Madeleine.  So even if the McCanns win (and it is a BIG if) they won't be getting anything like £1m
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A wee reminder of Alan Pretendy-Psychologist Pike.


GP – Have you read the final report?
AP says "no".

GP – How do you know then what its conclusions are?
AP says the McCanns told him.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2304.0


May be the judge could also consider that The Mccanns lied to Court ( they knew it) and punish them for that.

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Re: Trial postponed

Post  pamalam on Thu 9 Jan - 14:25

pamalam wrote:

Astro: Libel Trial Report direct from the Court House, 07 January 2014 Day 11

Posted with kind permission from astro


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/81jan14/Astro_07_01_2014.htm



I have added the following notice to Astros report


Astro: Postponement of Libel trial for 07 January 2014 Day 11



Important notice
This did NOT happen in a court session,
Nobody went to court on Tuesday. There was no session at all.
We heard about the postponement on Monday. The filing of documents took place between Friday afternoon and Monday, as far as I know.


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/81jan14/Astro_07_01_2014.htm

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