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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  malena stool on Thu 30 Jan - 22:26

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pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees with keys to the McCanns apartment, and how ádisinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!


I don't think we can say they are disinterested. áAbsolutely they have not referred to it. áTo mention it at this stage, they either uphold the dogs evidence or they rubbish it. áThey have done neither to date, it's more significant to me that they have not discounted it, as far as we know.

For SY to disregard canine forensic evidence in Portugal could put a question mark over the accuracy and validity of all cases where evidence has been obtained by the use of dogs. That is, IMHO why they are not broaching the subject.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  pennylane on Thu 30 Jan - 22:30

mossman wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees with keys to the McCanns apartment, and how ádisinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!


I don't think we can say they are disinterested. áAbsolutely they have not referred to it. áTo mention it at this stage, they either uphold the dogs evidence or they rubbish it. áThey have done neither to date, it's more significant to me that they have not discounted it, as far as we know.


That's true mossman, however.....

Edward McMillan Scott, Vice-President of the European Parliament sitting by their side at the Amber Alert conference when they were still Arguidos, Jim Gamble then Head of CEOP and his Minute for Madeleine.... who to this day defends the McCanns all over twitter and in live interviews, Clarence Mitchell, then Head of MMU who quit his job to be with them 24/7, Police Commissioner and Balloon releaser, Bernard Hogan Howe who has gone on the record even recently stating he supports the poor parents.... and on and on the list goes of heavy hitters touting their innocence.

The Home Office scuppered the original investigation (imo) and did a great deal to prevent it progressing, and I believe the Birmingham FSS results were fudged too. So Unless something has emerged that Scotland Yard can no longer ignore, and the Home Office/Met has been forced to change direction, I remain deeply skeptical that they are trying to nail the gruesome twosome.

I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't shake off the past 7 years until I see some serious proof that this investigation is honorable.


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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Thu 30 Jan - 22:41

malena stool wrote:
mossman wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees with keys to the McCanns apartment, and how ádisinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!


I don't think we can say they are disinterested. áAbsolutely they have not referred to it. áTo mention it at this stage, they either uphold the dogs evidence or they rubbish it. áThey have done neither to date, it's more significant to me that they have not discounted it, as far as we know.

For SY to disregard canine forensic evidence in Portugal could put a question mark over the accuracy and validity of all cases where evidence has been obtained by the use of dogs. That is, IMHO why they are not broaching the subject.

McCanns "case" is a petri dish of defenses, the dogs being rubbished, the DNA, the leaving of children alone - all perfectly good defenses for anyone else who comes along to neglect a child, especially one who is missing or damaged, or who needs a defense against dog alerts.

This is the case that keeps on giving - international law, how you can use extradition lawyers and get other people supporting your Fighting Fund to pay to put defense material in the hands of criminals or suspects - and all from people who never have faced a single charge on any crime.

They're proactive, as brother John would say.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  frencheuropean on Thu 30 Jan - 23:05

When SY is not there, the mice are dancing:

http://inagist.com/all/429017434838671360/

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Thu 30 Jan - 23:55

Ah, so there WAS a ring, paid to snatch Maddie! how bad.

That should be super easy to verify by the banking info. They probably took traveler's checks.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Fri 31 Jan - 0:05

How did the papers get this "leak" that the cops want bank records I wonder?

Let's ask for things that we can't have by law without reasonable doubt and then blame the PJ for failure to cooperate. ?

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  maebee on Fri 31 Jan - 0:37

pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  marxman on Fri 31 Jan - 6:06

maebee wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  mossman on Fri 31 Jan - 7:33

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I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't shake off the past 7 years until I see some serious proof that this investigation is honorable.[/quote]


áá No need to apologise, pessimism is well placed in this case and there are more reasons for it than optimism most of the time.

I'm still going to wait and see though. I'm going to hold out until I see and hear Redwood tell us what they have decided.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  pennylane on Fri 31 Jan - 10:16

mossman wrote:

pennylane wrote:

I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't shake off the past 7 years until I see some serious proof that this investigation is honorable.


áá á áNo need to apologise, pessimism is well placed in this case and there are more reasons for it than optimism most of the time.

I'm still going to wait and see though. áI'm going to hold out until I see and hear Redwood tell us what they have decided.

Morning mossman ááá

Hang in there, and don't listen to my embittered ramblings re the corrupt determination of the Home Office to insure this case is officially recorded as a stranger abduction! á

See what I mean? áI just can't help myself! á

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  chrissie on Fri 31 Jan - 10:51

marxman wrote:
maebee wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.

That's what I'm hoping marxman. That they are starting with a large number and whittling it down to a few.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  jassi on Fri 31 Jan - 12:48

marxman wrote:
maebee wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  pennylane on Fri 31 Jan - 12:56

jassi wrote:
marxman wrote:
maebee wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

Yep! áOperation Re-write History Grange have been beavering away haven't they.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  cass on Fri 31 Jan - 14:02

re eddie and keela and their work it has been said here to rubbish these dogs findings will cause a lot of damage i mean they alone have been the ones to solve cases - kate mcann said that it was because she was in contact with dead bodies before she came on holiday - now i am sure by records that can be proved - i have been brought up to resect the police and i still do - the dogs were a joint thing uk police too so they in theory are getting rubbished - as a mother i trust nobody that just comes on holiday with me to see - check my children - after what the dogs allerted to why did kate and gerry still trust these friends because i would be heatbroken at these findings and want all my friends looked at

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Fri 31 Jan - 14:23

I respect the police too but I know in some cases the higher ups say "Don't push this" - for whatever reason. Easy enough to let two child neglectors off the hook, if it means that for instance the path will be smooth for UK - PT relations as relates to some big energy deal - or whatever.

The thing I find bizarre is that they were pressurized to take this case and investigate it and have spent 3 years and so much money doing so; if they'd been told just to clear McCanns I would have thought they'd find or INVENT a dead pedo to pin in on, done and dusted.

Not sure how much attention should be paid to the key fob that the dog alerted to. Without a body or part of a body or something, the alert is meaningless and useless. It is a tool to show where to look - unless they can find her body or get some kind of confession or eye witness to the death there is no proof she is even dead. They ARE looking at the timeline and have opened it up to prior to the time Gerry claims to have looked at her and rubbished his alibi as well as Matt's check. So ... baby steps perhaps.

The best way to find what happened to her isn't to rule out everyone else on earth before looking at the parents, that's the exact opposite of how it should be done but maybe they have some strategy we aren't aware of, they aren't trumpeting everything in the Daily Mail.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  Lioned on Fri 31 Jan - 15:21

pennylane wrote:
jassi wrote:
marxman wrote:
maebee wrote:
pennylane wrote:Remarkable how keenly interested the Met are in ex-MW employees who had keys to the McCanns apartment, and how disinterested they are in the cadaverine infested keyfob of the McCanns!
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

Yep! áOperation Re-write History Grange have been beavering away haven't they.

They need to work through the whole alphabet of suspects and no doubt get a ILOR for each one.

So far we have...

Abductor (professional)
Burglars (ones that only take dead children)
Cleaners (preferably with white van)
David Payne
E. á ?
F. á á?
Gypsies
H . á á?

Etc etc until we get to

Parents

Russian Olygog á***

***This one will do and then SY will blame pj for their intransigence and be forced to shelve the case so the mccann welfare fund can resume.


All the above will probably be achieved within the next seven years.

Andy will be suitably rewarded for his perseverance at the Duke of Kents special awards.

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  Guest on Fri 31 Jan - 15:39

Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
jassi wrote:
marxman wrote:
maebee wrote:
It's a case of "ignore the prime suspects" :(

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

Yep! áOperation Re-write History Grange have been beavering away haven't they.

They need to work through the whole alphabet of suspects and no doubt get a ILOR for each one.

So far we have...

Abductor (professional)
Burglars (ones that only take dead children)
Cleaners (preferably with white van)
David Payne
E. á ?
F. á á?
Gypsies
H . á á?

Etc etc until we get to

Parents

Russian Olygog á***

***This one will do and then SY will blame pj for their intransigence and be forced to shelve the case so the mccann welfare fund can resume.


All the above will probably be achieved within the next seven years.

Andy will be suitably rewarded for his perseverance at the Duke of Kents special awards.

Allow me.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked in to apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
Smithman
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
Y - oh Y!!!
Zulus. (Well, we've had just about everybody else.)

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  fred on Fri 31 Jan - 15:45

Iris that would be funny if it wasn't just 'spot on' áá It is ridiculous, and it is even more ridiculous that SY, the media and Uncle Tom Cobleigh are all carrying on with this stupid fairy tale!!!

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  Lioned on Fri 31 Jan - 15:58

Thank you Iris.

It is ridiculous and i am certain it is not just us doubters on the internet who think so .

Those in high places must also see that sooner or later something will implode.


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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  tanszi on Fri 31 Jan - 16:15

thank you Iris. I really hope just one of the SY investigators sees this. I know how easy it is to knock professionals as they go about their work, it may not be SY releasing this information to the Media, but surely they must do something to stop the stories which damage them and the PJ. jimo

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  pennylane on Fri 31 Jan - 16:56

Iris wrote:
Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
jassi wrote:
marxman wrote:

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

Yep! áOperation Re-write History Grange have been beavering away haven't they.

They need to work through the whole alphabet of suspects and no doubt get a ILOR for each one.

So far we have...

Abductor (professional)
Burglars (ones that only take dead children)
Cleaners (preferably with white van)
David Payne
E. á ?
F. á á?
Gypsies
H . á á?

Etc etc until we get to

Parents

Russian Olygog á***

***This one will do and then SY will blame pj for their intransigence and be forced to shelve the case so the mccann welfare fund can resume.


All the above will probably be achieved within the next seven years.

Andy will be suitably rewarded for his perseverance at the Duke of Kents special awards.

Allow me.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked in to apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
Smithman
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
Y - oh Y!!!
Zulus. á(Well, we've had just about everybody else.)

Spot on Lioned, and well done Iris.... you've named them all. áá

I await the search for Zuluman with weary trepidation á

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Fri 31 Jan - 16:56

Iris wrote:
Lioned wrote:
pennylane wrote:
jassi wrote:
marxman wrote:

Or leave them to the last? and discount all others beforehand.


Not the usual method of police detection. Inevitable, of course, if they are determined to look everywhere else other then the Tapas group.

Yep! áOperation Re-write History Grange have been beavering away haven't they.

They need to work through the whole alphabet of suspects and no doubt get a ILOR for each one.

So far we have...

Abductor (professional)
Burglars (ones that only take dead children)
Cleaners (preferably with white van)
David Payne
E. á ?
F. á á?
Gypsies
H . á á?

Etc etc until we get to

Parents

Russian Olygog á***

***This one will do and then SY will blame pj for their intransigence and be forced to shelve the case so the mccann welfare fund can resume.


All the above will probably be achieved within the next seven years.

Andy will be suitably rewarded for his perseverance at the Duke of Kents special awards.

Allow me.

Arab (with yacht)
Burglars (3, with mobiles)
Cleaners (with white van)
Dead Paedophile (with son, who burns mail)
Eggman (no face)
Foreigners (swarthy)
Goncalo Amaral (according to Pink cesspit)
Huelva residents
Itinerant workers
Japanese business men
Kidnappers (who have yet to send ransom note)
Loiterer on stairs smoking fag
Moroccans
New Age Hippies in converted van (see Dead Paedophile, above)
Old couple who sneaked in to apt to comfort crying child
Posh Spice lookalike
Queen's Estate worker
Russian looking woman in beret and trench coat
Smithman
Tractorman (dead)
Unidentified Flying Objects
Volcano Man
Waiters (ex) from Ocean Club
X - mystery man!
Y - oh Y!!!
Zulus. á(Well, we've had just about everybody else.)

Didn't the waiter or bartender-turned Private Eye also state that high PJ officials were involved?

Or are you just counting the ones that the Investiation of McCanns and/or SY have turned up? áá

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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  widowan on Fri 31 Jan - 16:59

I wonder if the reading public - I mean the Red Top reading public - would think this is all just the papers making things up as they do, or if they are actually aware of the number of "suspects" - most of them ridiculous, all of them baseless - that have been trotted out for us thus far?

SY with: 3 former employees of OC who are on a burglary spree of the nearby apts, and made lots of calls to each other in that area the night OF, have probably come the closest to what a real suspect would look like if you rule out the most likely 2 people to have done something to their 3 year old child.


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Re: SY in Portugal

Post  SteveT on Fri 31 Jan - 17:09

Iris, that was brilliant!

However, I think Y is for Yetti. In fact, I think Jane Tanner is changing her statement right now.

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Post  almostgothic on Fri 31 Jan - 17:41

As long as she remembers to say 'Abominable Snowman', not 'Abominable Smithman' ... she might just get away with it ..... á

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