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Post  Annabel on Fri 21 Feb - 6:44

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366431/Top-cop-Sir-Bernard-Hogan-Howe-says-names-of-Maddie-kidnappers-are-known



Britain’s top policeman Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe revealed the breakthrough on a radio phone-in show yesterday.

Radio Five host Nicky Campbell, 52, asked: “And you have lines of inquiry, you have suspects, you have names?’’

Sir Bernard, 56, replied: “That’s right.’’ Asked if detectives had “spoken to those people” the Met chief said: “I’m not going to go any further.’’

But he said the investigation was being hampered because Portuguese police were pursuing a different line of inquiry.

He repeated his call for both forces to unite for the sake of Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

The police chief said: “In the middle of all this quite often their torment gets lost.

“Have they lost a child by being murdered, sadly, or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them? Either way they have got that terrible uncertainty.”

“We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months”
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe

UK detectives are hunting a three-strong burglary gang they suspect snatched Madeleine in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz seven years ago.

But Portuguese police suspect a heroin addict who has since died.

Sir Bernard added: “We have said ­clearly that we have got lines of inquiry that are different to the Portuguese police and we are working with them to try and resolve that. We really can work in genuine partnership on this.

“We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months.’’

He refused to criticise the original Portuguese investigation which was shelved as unsolved in 2008.

“No matter what they did or didn’t do we have got to work together on this,’’ he said. “We can’t police Portugal. They can’t do everything over here.’’

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Post  Annabel on Fri 21 Feb - 6:46

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564080/Britains-senior-police-officer-confirms-Met-names-three-suspects-Madeleine-McCann-case-closing-in.html

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Post  Chris on Fri 21 Feb - 7:42

So according to the Star the "suspects" dunnit.

Perhaps Hogan Howe should explain why the different lines of enquiry are hampering the investigation. From the reports to date the Portugese have two teams operating, one the SY liaison team and one the Porto investigators with the remit of the Portugal authorities following the reopening. How does what one team is pursuing hamper the other?

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Post  kitti on Fri 21 Feb - 8:58

If they know who they are, why haven't they arrested them, aft all, Madeleines life would be in danger, time would be off the essence , wouldn't it.

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Post  Panda on Fri 21 Feb - 9:02

But he said the investigation was being hampered because Portuguese police were pursuing a different line of inquiry.

He repeated his call for both forces to unite for the sake of Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.'

A Senior Police Office criticising the Portugese Police is a measure of the arrogance SY have shown in their investigation . They suffer from verbal diarrhea and have done nothing but blab to the Media about their findings.I don't blame the Portugese one bit for not sharing, why should they???

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Post  kitti on Fri 21 Feb - 9:07

If the pj thought these burglars were kidnappers they would off been pursued before now.

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Post  pennylane on Fri 21 Feb - 9:24

Chris wrote:So according to the Star the "suspects" dunnit.

Perhaps Hogan Howe should explain why the different lines of enquiry are hampering the investigation. From the reports to date the Portugese have two teams operating, one the SY liaison team and one the Porto investigators with the remit of the Portugal authorities following the reopening. How does what one team is pursuing hamper the other?


This is where the hope lies, Chris! There are not one but two Portuguese teams, and this accounts for all the spinning we have seen.  This, along with the McCanns tanking at Amaral's trial has caused major anxiety within the TM abduction facade.   I believe the PJ reopened the case, and the minute they did so, SY quickly did likewise and began liaising with yet another team to get in the loop, and force the direction away from the McCanns.  It hasn't worked - and the Met are desperately spinning their wheels to account for all the money being spent (imo).   The Home Office bully boys are at it again.  Thus has it been from the get go!

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Post  whatsupdoc on Fri 21 Feb - 9:38

In all the time the UK police have been "investigating" the Madeleine case , they have come up with:-

A for Abduction
B for Bollux
C for Comedy sketches

but not C for Cadaver nor D for Dogs...no mention, whatsoever.

They haven't said Anything...not even tried to say nobody died in 5A.
Would you buy bleach and scrub your holiday flat out if nothing had happened? I think not. Who said it was an abduction? The parents. I don't think even one of the Tapas members has backed up this claim with proof. So no independent witnesses except the sighting of a Gerry lookalike carrying a young girl. Who woulddelete all their mobile messages, ring their family with bad news and ring the TV news people before even completing a search?
The employed lawyers , PR agencies and dodgy dicks , lol.
John gave up his job straight away and a fund was set up while Gerry planned events months ahead....Normal?? I don't think so.

I find this coverup of a high-ranking mason a disgrace and it shows at least a 2-tier system in the UK where masons are above the law.
Unfortunately , masons go right to the top so changing the System would be almost impossible and to hope for a fair and just society is just a dream.I fully expect Gerry to receive a knighthood later this year.

Here, again, is what conclusion Portugal came to fairly early on. It's easy to see why the UK would never agree to this so the taxpayer picks up the huge tab while endless unbelieveable theories appear in the papers.
It's easy to see which police force has come to an honest appraisal of the case!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

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Post  Guest on Fri 21 Feb - 9:46

Sir Bernard, 56, replied: “That’s right.’’ Asked if detectives had “spoken to those people” the Met chief said: “I’m not going to go any further.’’

So we'll take that as a "no" then.  

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Post  almostgothic on Fri 21 Feb - 10:33

"We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months.’’

At the rate it's going, I'll be pushing up daisies!


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Post  Guest on Fri 21 Feb - 10:47

almostgothic wrote:"We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months.’’

At the rate it's going, I'll be pushing up daisies!


So they're not intending to arrest the "three suspects" and recover poor wee Maddie anytime soon, then. :(

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Post  kitti on Fri 21 Feb - 10:56

E) At this moment, there seems that there aren't strong indicia that the death of the minor didn't happen due to a tragic accident;




How do they know that?



At this moment...

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Post  jeanmonroe on Fri 21 Feb - 12:14

"We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months.’’
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Chin up, Madeleine, only ANOTHER 'few months' in your hellish lair before Bernie's 'elites' rescue you.

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Post  pennylane on Fri 21 Feb - 12:53

jeanmonroe wrote:"We’re making some progress. Let’s see how it comes over the next few months.’’
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Chin up, Madeleine, only ANOTHER 'few months' in your hellish lair before Bernie's 'elites' rescue you.

..... and your mother's certain you'll be giving 'em your tuppence worth in the mean time!

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Post  mossman on Fri 21 Feb - 14:40

pennylane wrote:
Chris wrote:So according to the Star the "suspects" dunnit.

Perhaps Hogan Howe should explain why the different lines of enquiry are hampering the investigation. From the reports to date the Portugese have two teams operating, one the SY liaison team and one the Porto investigators with the remit of the Portugal authorities following the reopening. How does what one team is pursuing hamper the other?


This is where the hope lies, Chris! There are not one but two Portuguese teams, and this accounts for all the spinning we have seen.  This, along with the McCanns tanking at Amaral's trial has caused major anxiety within the TM abduction facade.   I believe the PJ reopened the case, and the minute they did so, SY quickly did likewise and began liaising with yet another team to get in the loop, and force the direction away from the McCanns.  It hasn't worked - and the Met are desperately spinning their wheels to account for all the money being spent (imo).   The Home Office bully boys are at it again.  Thus has it been from the get go!



I think SY are in deep sh*t right now.

What can they do ? Withdraw, claiming they have it solved but cannot prosecute ? That could work, but for the PJ team in Portugal working on a re-opened investigation, which appears to be going in a completely different direction. If SY withdraw, they hand the baton back to the PJ and have absolutely no control whatsoever about what comes out of the new investigation. If eventually, the culprits were named by the PJ as being on UK soil, and SY had withdrawn on the basis of non-cooperation by Portugal, well.....ouch.

Do they stay with their own story of burglars ? They can, but nobody is listening anymore. So if they continue to do this they look like fools and all the while money is being poured down the drain on a theory nobody, except for the McCanns, wants to listen to.

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place now. What can they do ? Portugal are not listening, that is for sure.

Jeez, you could almost be forgiven for thinking that the PJ have played a blinder in this and crept up behind Andy and his bunch of merry men whilst they were looking at tractors, burglars and all sorts of things.

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Re: Top cop Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe says names of Maddie kidnappers are known

Post  jeanmonroe on Fri 21 Feb - 14:58

DETECTIVES have named suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation, Britain’s top policeman revealed yesterday.
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Let's hope these 'named suspects' the detectives have, don't 'abduct or murder' another 40/50/100 little kiddies before Bernie's 'elites' finally get around to 'nicking' them in a few months time!

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Post  jinvta on Fri 21 Feb - 22:05

The SY investigation was fatally flawed from the beginning. Unlike the Portuguese investigation which considered all possibly scenarios, SY was given a remit to only consider the "abduction hypothesis."
 
From the remit we have: "It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.
 
So, what they are saying is that they are not considering any other possibility other than abduction, because to have done so would have taken too long. Well how long is too long? Three years is ridiculous to have uncovered zero, zilch, nada! No wonder the Portuguese are looking at other lines of inquiry, they are doing a proper investigation! What a waste of taxpayer money to only investigate the McCann fairy tale. They are approaching the investigation all wrong, in that they are not following all evidence and seeing which way it leads, but instead are only searching for evidence (negligible so far) which will fit the one theory they are investigating. Sorry, but true police work doesn't work that way.

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Post  interested on Fri 21 Feb - 23:39

If my child was "missing" and the police knew the names of the "kidnappers", I would be screaming bloody murder. I would be at the police station demanding action; I would want my child rescued and brought home. Has anyone heard anything from the McCanns (and I don't mean their spokesman or one of their family sources). Their silence tells me they know for sure Madeleine was not "kidnapped" and will not be rescued.

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Post  jeanmonroe on Sat 22 Feb - 0:47

jinvta wrote:The SY investigation was fatally flawed from the beginning. Unlike the Portuguese investigation which considered all possibly scenarios, SY was given a remit to only consider the "abduction hypothesis."
 
From the remit we have: "It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.
 
So, what they are saying is that they are not considering any other possibility other than abduction, because to have done so would have taken too long. Well how long is too long? Three years is ridiculous to have uncovered zero, zilch, nada! No wonder the Portuguese are looking at other lines of inquiry, they are doing a proper investigation! What a waste of taxpayer money to only investigate the McCann fairy tale. They are approaching the investigation all wrong, in that they are not following all evidence and seeing which way it leads, but instead are only searching for evidence (negligible so far) which will fit the one theory they are investigating. Sorry, but true police work doesn't work that way.
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So, what they are saying is that they are not considering any other possibility other than abduction, because to have done so would have taken too long.
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I have posted about this many, many times.

Given that the father of the 'missing' child has ASKED of the general public, publicly, on February 10th 2010 outside the court in Lisbon,

"Where... where, you know... where is... where... where is... where is... where is the child? We're looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she's not here?
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So even the parent is asking about what OTHER 'explanation' can explain how she's (her name IS Madeleine, Gerry) not here

Yet SY/Met are NOT 'looking' for any OTHER explanations as to why Madeleine is 'not here'

ONLY looking at 'the abduction'

WHO told them (SY/Met) to ONLY look at 'the abduction'?

To the TOTAL 'exclusion' of ALL 'other' explanations there could possibly be as to WHY Madeleine 'is not here' as asked, publicly, by her father.

Even the McCanns very expensive lawyers, in the UK (CR) and Portugal (ID) WILL NOT SAY Madeleine 'was abducted'

So WHY SY/Met continue to say they are investigating 'the abduction' seems at odds with what the parents and their lawyers are asking for, publicly.

They ask if there are 'other' explanations, not related to 'abduction', to explain how Madeleine is not 'here'

WHY are the MET ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' as an 'abduction'?

WHO TOLD THEM TO DO ONLY THAT?

If we can discover WHO* wrote the 'remit/instruction' (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) things might well fall into 'place', imo.

*It wasn't DCI Redwood.


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Post  maebee on Sat 22 Feb - 0:49

interested wrote:If my child was "missing" and the police knew the names of the "kidnappers", I would be screaming bloody murder.  I would be at the police station demanding action; I would want my child  rescued and brought home.  Has anyone heard anything from the McCanns (and I don't mean their spokesman or one of their family sources).  Their silence tells me they know for sure Madeleine was not "kidnapped" and will not be rescued.

"In a careless manner, Maddie’s father “made a contrast with the anxiety of the policemen and intrigued the investigators. Gerry “sucked on a lollipop in a relaxed manner while he read banalities on the internet and discussed rugby and football with an English policeman”, the former coordinator from the Polícia Judiciária wrote in the book’Truth of the Lie’."

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/08/gerry-laughed-during-drama-at-pj.html

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Post  jinvta on Sat 22 Feb - 4:31

jeanmonroe wrote:WHY are the MET ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' as an 'abduction'?

WHO TOLD THEM TO DO ONLY THAT?

If we can discover WHO* wrote the 'remit/instruction' (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) things might well fall into 'place', imo.

*It wasn't DCI Redwood.

Exactly! It clearly wasn't DCI Redwood who gave the remit to only consider abduction. He is just the stooge, or fall guy, who was given that remit. It would be very interesting to know who gave that remit and why. There has to be an explanation why the word "abduction" was included in the remit. Had the word been disappearance, then we could assume all lines of enquiry were being investigated.

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Post  Panda on Sat 22 Feb - 6:46

jinvta wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:WHY are the MET ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' as an 'abduction'?

WHO TOLD THEM TO DO ONLY THAT?

If we can discover WHO* wrote the 'remit/instruction' (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) things might well fall into 'place', imo.

*It wasn't DCI Redwood.

Exactly! It clearly wasn't DCI Redwood who gave the remit to only consider abduction. He is just the stooge, or fall guy, who was given that remit. It would be very interesting to know who gave that remit and why. There has to be an explanation why the word "abduction" was included in the remit. Had the word been disappearance, then we could assume all lines of enquiry were being investigated.

The remit could have no alternative though jinvta because the only alternative to abduction is that Madeleine is dead.
This of course is unacceptable to the McCanns. How much longer must this farce go on before the Home Office pulls the plug on this investigation.??

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Post  T4two on Sat 22 Feb - 20:37

jinvta wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:WHY are the MET ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' as an 'abduction'?

WHO TOLD THEM TO DO ONLY THAT?

If we can discover WHO* wrote the 'remit/instruction' (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) things might well fall into 'place', imo.

*It wasn't DCI Redwood.

Exactly! It clearly wasn't DCI Redwood who gave the remit to only consider abduction. He is just the stooge, or fall guy, who was given that remit. It would be very interesting to know who gave that remit and why. There has to be an explanation why the word "abduction" was included in the remit. Had the word been disappearance, then we could assume all lines of enquiry were being investigated.


I'm waiting for Lord Toby Harris to raise his head above the parapet and risk asking another question about the extortionate costs of this involvement by Scotland Yard. If all the Yard can come up with after 3 years is to winge about the lack of cooperation by the Portuguese police one really must start to wonder just what the team of 35 + top detectives has been doing all this time. Personally I do not believe that such a team exists outside of the imaginations of AR, BHH and the editors of the Daily Mirror, Star, Sun, Mail, Express and Sky News. Certainly Dave Edgar put on a better show with the same remit and it cost the taxpayer nothing. Even by Dave Edgar standards Scotland Yard's concerted effort is feeble.

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Post  Wintabells on Sat 22 Feb - 20:54

interested wrote:If my child was "missing" and the police knew the names of the "kidnappers", I would be screaming bloody murder.  I would be at the police station demanding action; I would want my child  rescued and brought home.  Has anyone heard anything from the McCanns (and I don't mean their spokesman or one of their family sources).  Their silence tells me they know for sure Madeleine was not "kidnapped" and will not be rescued.

The last I read, they were 'buoyed up' and 'incredibly relieved' at SY's involvement.... *rolls eyes*

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Feb - 6:10

What surprises me is that no Politician has publicly queried the expense of the SY investigation , especially with all the money needed for the Flood repairs, aid to Foreign Countries, improving the Health Service etc.

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