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Post  Guest on Mon 3 Mar - 8:03

Sorry, Google translation, but you get the idea.



Maddie. PJ warns Englishmen who do not want to see research in newspapers

The inspectors of PJ underline that in the "international cooperation there is no space for states of mind"

The different communication strategies between the Portuguese and British authorities for Maddie are to bother to PJ. The discomfort has reached the point of the Judicial warn the Metropolitan Police who refuses to do research through the newspapers. Since the English police decided to investigate on his own account the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that the English press began to disclose with frequency information about the ongoing efforts. Good part of these news turned out to be unfounded, separating each time more the possibility of cooperation with the PJ. At issue is the fact that the two policemen have different lines of research and also the policies of communication being opposite, confirmed to i some inspectors, who preferred not to identify.

According to sources familiar with the process, the PJ will have already informed the British counterparts that "wants to continue to do their research on process and not in the newspapers". A call for attention to be clear who do not want the police sources English pronounce on alleged facts of Portuguese research. Until because, they say, is something that the British do not know. In Portugal is an ongoing investigation conducted by a team from the Port, but are elements of PJ of Portimão who has responded to letters rogatory sent by the English, i.e. requests for aid to research in London.

The strategy of the Portuguese people - not to make public information on its research - was already aware of the British, but some news citing anonymous sources of Metropolitan Police have forced this warning. "The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion, which is the knowledge of his British counterpart. The social communication is outside of our equation during the research. AND if you've never been told that there are suspects is because there is nothing strong enough", explained police source.

Even in the last week has been published a news item in Portugal giving an account of what the British had received the Judicial a secret dossier on assailants who lived in the Algarve and which might even already have committed crimes against children. When i, the same source ensures that this information is false: "was not delivered any dossier secret the Metropolitan Police." Another element near the process explained, however, that what the British drew dossier secret may not pass the list of persons with register who lived near Praia da Luz and the PJ sent in the context of fulfilling a letter rogatory.

In recent months, the average British papers reported every suspect of Scotland Yard, published the portraits robot police - that i revealed have been made after all by detectives paid by the child's parents - and they brought the public submission of three letters rogatory for researchers English before the Portuguese authorities become aware of these applications for international aid.

Was made a reconstitution of the night of the crime - that it was not filmed in Portugal - and transmitted in England, Germany and Holland. After the "thousands of clues" that the Metropolitan Police told the media have received as a result of the issuance of television programs, the strategy continues to be the tracking of mobile phones of those who were near the aldeamento Ocean Club on the night of may 3, 2007, day in which the child disappeared.

For the elements of PJ contacted by i, these behaviors will not affect the cooperation between the two police forces. "The letters rogatory shall be fulfilled in the form more committed as possible, because in international cooperation there is no space for states of mind", she added source of PJ.

http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1


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Post  malena stool on Mon 3 Mar - 8:46

Thanks Iris,
I get the rough gist of the report, I think.... but it does need a translation from a Portuguese speaker.

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Post  Panda on Mon 3 Mar - 8:52

Good find Iris.....consider yourself told off SY.  


AND if you've never been told that there are suspects is because there is nothing strong enough", explained police source.'

I don't know why the Portugese don't just close this case. They only re-opened it at the request of Cameron . It's obvious too that OPORTO have not come up with any new evidence, neither Country can afford any more expenditure .

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Post  Guest on Mon 3 Mar - 9:07

I think "robot police" is meant to be "e-fit". Unless Arnie is now one of the suspects. 

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 3 Mar - 9:28

Merci to Astro for her translation ( TMCF):



Maddie. PJ warns English that they don’t want to see the investigation in the newspapers

by Carlos Diogo Santos
published on 3 Mar 2014 - 05:00

The PJ inspectors stress that within “international cooperation there is no room for states of mind”

The different communication strategies between the Portuguese and the British authorities within the Maddie case are bothering the PJ. The discomfort has gone far enough for the PJ to warn the Metropolitan Police that it refuses to carry out the investigation through the papers. Since the English police decided to perform its own investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English press has been frequently revealing information about the ongoing diligences. Much of these news turned out to be unfounded, further pushing away the possibility of cooperation with the PJ. At stake is equally the fact that both police forces have different investigation lines and also opposite communication policies, some inspectors, who prefer not to be identified, confirmed to i.

According to sources that know the process, the PJ has already informed its British counterparts that it “wants to continue to run its investigation within the process and not in the newspapers”. A call to attention in order to clarify that they don’t want English police sources commenting on supposed facts of the Portuguese investigation. Even because, they say, it is something that the British ignore. In Portugal, an investigation is being led by a team from Oporto, but it’s been officers from the PJ in Portimão that have been replying to the rogatory letters that were sent by the English, which is to say, the requests for assistance to the London investigation.

The strategy of the Portuguese – not to render information about their investigation public – was already known by the British, but some news quoting anonymous sources within the Metropolitan Police forced this warning. “The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion, which is known to its British counterpart. The media is out of our equation during the investigation. And if it was never said that there are suspectsit’s because there is nothing strong enough”, a police source clarified.

Just last week an article was published in Portugal reporting that the English had received a secret dossier from the Judiciária, concerning burglars that lived in the Algarve and could even have already committed crimes against children. To I, the same source assures that the information is false: “No secret dossier whatsovere was handed over to the Metropolitan Police.” Another person that is close to the process explained that what the English called a secret dossier may simply be the list of persons with a criminal record that resided close to Praia da Luz, which the PJ sent within the fulfilment of a rogatory letter.

Over recent months, the Englis media reported every Scotland Yard suspect, published e-fits from the police – which i revealed were made by detectives that were being paid by the child’s parents after all – and publicised the sending of the three rogatory letters from the English investigators before the Portuguese authorities knew about those requests for international assistance.

A reconstitution of the evening of the crime was made – which was not filmed in Portugal – and broadcast in England, Germany and Holland. After the “thousands of leads” that the Metropolitan Police told the media had been received following the television shows’ broadcast, the strategy remains focused on tracing mobile phones of people that were near the Ocean Club resort on the evening of the 3rd of May of 2007, the day that the child went missing.

For the PJ officers that were contacted by i, this kind of behaviour won’t have an effect on the cooperation between both police forces. “The rogatories will be carried out in the most committed way possible, because within international cooperation there is no room for states of mind”, a PJ source concluded.




http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/ ... ais/pag/-1

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Post  Panda on Mon 3 Mar - 9:29

Pity this Article was not published by a UK Newspaper , like the Times , Guardian or Telegraph that doesn't get involved in the case very much.

Wonder what Theresa May would do then.!!!!


Thanks frenchperson.......do we know who Santos is?

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 3 Mar - 9:37

According to Linked in:

Visão geral de Carlos Diogo Santos
Atual Jornalista na Jornal I
Anterior Jornalista na Diário de Noticias


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Post  Panda on Mon 3 Mar - 9:44

frencheuropean wrote:Accorded to Linked in:

Visão geral de Carlos Diogo Santos
Atual Jornalista na Jornal I
Anterior Jornalista na Diário de Noticias

Thanks.....I thought Diario de Noticias had closed down a long time ago? I probably have got it wrong. 


Sorry, my mistake, i just checked and the DDN is still going strong.

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Post  kitti on Mon 3 Mar - 11:00

That's told them lol......SY have been told off like a mummy would tell her little child off.....

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Post  tanszi on Mon 3 Mar - 11:43

well the UK reporting is truly pathetic. printing any old rubbish they are fed, and then they get the Fundraiser in Chief speaking directly to the public via a radio show and media reports saying there is a third letter being sent which the PJ didn't know about. The UK police handling of this truly sucks.

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Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 3 Mar - 12:09

tanszi wrote:

"The UK police handling of this truly sucks."
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GREG KADING, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: "An investigation is only as good as your investigators. And so if you have complacent investigators or incompetent investigators, well, that`s how your investigation is going to end up."

Over to you DCI Redwood and Operation (VERY) Strange.

WHICH one is it to be?

Complacent or incompetent?

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Post  Panda on Mon 3 Mar - 12:34

jeanmonroe wrote:tanszi wrote:

"The UK police handling of this truly sucks."
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GREG KADING, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: "An investigation is only as good as your investigators. And so if you have complacent investigators or incompetent investigators, well, that`s how your investigation is going to end up."

Over to you DCI Redwood and Operation (VERY) Strange.

WHICH one is it to be?

Complacent or incompetent?

I would say incompetent .....after 3 yrs and £5 million costs it is truly disgraceful . No doubt Theresa May and Cameron have been told , will they have the courage to close the file NOW rather than waste any more money???

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 3 Mar - 17:56

article translated now in the mccanfiles, news section:



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html


It should be sent to the newspapers and ...SY, in case they missed it!

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Post  Guest on Mon 3 Mar - 22:49

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-pj-investigators-%E2%80%98hit-back%E2%80%99-at-british-press

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 4 Mar - 0:59

Madeleine case: PJ investigators ‘hit back’ at British press
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-pj-investigators-%E2%80%98hit-back%E2%80%99-at-british-press

Following endless sensationalist stories in the British press - all claiming inside knowledge of the ongoing Madeleine investigations both here and in the UK - Portugal’s Polícia Judiciária appear to have drawn a line in the sand.

A report by ionline says Portuguese detectives have “advised” the Metropolitan Police that they “refuse to carry out an investigation via newspapers”, particularly as the PJ’s theories are very different to those of British investigators.

“Since the English police decided to set up their own investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English press has been reporting, with frequency, information on police activities underway,” writes ionline.

“A good part of these news reports ends up being unfounded, which increasingly compromises the possibility of cooperation” between the two forces.

One of the major issues the PJ has with the British media circus is that “the two police forces have different lines of investigation, and their policies over communication are also contradictory,” two PJ inspectors who prefer to remain anonymous told ionline. Thus the warning to stop “pronouncing on supposed facts of the Portuguese investigation ... as it is something that the British do not know about”.

The warning echoes words of former Madeleine investigator Gonçalo Amaral - no stranger to sensationalist stories in the British press.

According to Amaral, Portuguese justice “works in silence” - the inference being it should be allowed to do so.

ionline adds that the latest revelations in the British media - picked up by news services all over the world - centred on a ‘secret dossier’ sent to the Met by Portuguese investigators.

“No secret dossier was ever delivered to the Metropolitan Police,” writes the news service, suggesting it was very probably the list of people known to police in the area that had been requested in one of the standard letters of request sent by the Met to the PJ.

As ionline points out, “over the past few months” British newspapers have had a field day, publishing ancient identikit photos drawn up years ago by private investigators and reporting on “thousands of leads” when, in reality, “police are still working on the very basic job of trying to identify mobile phone activity that took place in and around the Ocean Club on the night of May 3 2007”.


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