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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 0:01

Britain Being Frozen Out Of EU Decision Making, MPs Warn
PA/The Huffington Post | Posted: 04/04/2014 09:10 BST | Updated: 04/04/2014 09:59 BST

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/04/britain-european-union_n_5089014.html

Britain is facing growing isolation in the European Union as the eurozone states move to integrate their fiscal and economic policies more closely, a parliamentary report has warned.

The House of Lords EU Economic and Financial Affairs Committee said the eurozone crisis had seen power of euro area institutions such as the European Central Bank (ECB) grow at the expense of those representing all 28 member states.

It warned the Government needed to "redouble" its efforts to convince the eurozone members of the benefits of maintaining the City of London's position as the leading global financial centre for the EU as a whole.

"Moves towards euro area integration leave the UK in an increasingly isolated position," it said.

"In order to ensure the UK's interests are effectively promoted, the Government and the Bank of England should maintain and develop constructive relationships with the increasingly powerful euro area institutions."

While the troubles in the eurozone have eased, the committee said there was still no guarantee that it could withstand another crisis.

Economic growth in the single currency bloc is "anaemic", the imbalances between the rich and poor states are "immense", unemployment levels remain "destructively high" while there are growing fears of "a damaging deflationary spiral".

"While the crisis may have abated, it would be unwise to conclude that the storm has entirely passed. Fundamental weaknesses remain which make the euro area vulnerable to future shocks," it said.

"There is no guarantee that the new arrangements for euro area integration, in their present incomplete state, could withstand a further crisis."

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 0:03

Government backed propaganda to keep the UK in Europe....

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 9:05

malena, if London loses it's reputation in banking it is because of all the scandals , not EU Competitiion . . If Britain votes to leave the EU there will be huge obstacles to overcome because of the Treaties we signed . The only hope we have is if the EU collapses.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 13:30

I don't doubt any of the points you make Panda, but countries such as Germany and France are the manufacturing base of the EU, they kindly allow us to manufacture what they don't have the capacity for. Many of today's vehicles made here were once British owned. The plants were sold off to European companies, as indeed was the steel and other component parts they are made from. The profits from these companies no longer benefit Britian, but they do British shareholders who still rake in their yearly payouts.

As an afterthought... How many of our 'Honourable Members' have shares in these once British owned companies? one wonders...

Back on topic, we were always better on our own, we made our own decisions as we made our own mistakes also, but we didn't rely on Europe for our coal or gas and our economy was stronger when we were alone, we never imported electricity, in fact we exported power to France for years.

We turned our back on a thriving commonwealth of English speaking nations to join what?

We may never again be a world power making decisions which affect others, but we can and should have the right to make our own decisions, not pour vast sums of money into a multilingual agglomeration while our own people have food banks, destitution and are forced to compete with twenty odd nations to use the Health Service set up and paid for by British workers.

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 14:32

Malena, Edward Heath signed the first Treaty, John Major, and Gordon Brown signed addendums so we really do not know how difficult it will be to get out.

I think we can claim incompetence by the EU because the Accounts couldn't be signed off for years by the Auditors. Also , although Britain is the second largest contributor we buy more than we sell from Europe. Then we have the question of why the EU takes on more Members who are poor when the World is in recession and these Countries will be looking for bailouts. Why the Human Rights Bill has denied us the right of our judiciary to pass judgement without the Human Rights brigade appealing. We have signed Treaties and i don't know if there is a getout clause for Countries who feel the Treaty has failed them.

Draghi of the ECB started the bail-out in earnest to Countries who were in dire straits, their situation has not changed, the EURO is affected and the EU is by no means out of the woods.

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Post  fuzeta on Sat 5 Apr - 15:00

malena stool wrote:I don't doubt any of the points you make Panda, but countries such as Germany and France are the manufacturing base of the EU, they kindly allow us to manufacture what they don't have the capacity for. Many of today's vehicles made here were once British owned. The plants were sold off to European companies, as indeed was the steel and other component parts they are made from. The profits from these companies no longer benefit Britian, but they do British shareholders who still rake in their yearly payouts.

As an afterthought... How many of our 'Honourable Members' have shares in these once British owned companies? one wonders...

Back on topic, we were always better on our own, we made our own decisions as we made our own mistakes also, but we didn't rely on Europe for our coal or gas and our economy was stronger when we were alone, we never imported electricity, in fact we exported power to France for years.

We turned our back on a thriving commonwealth of English speaking nations to join what?

We may never again be a world power making decisions which affect others, but we can and should have the right to make our own decisions, not pour vast sums of money into a multilingual agglomeration while our own people have food banks, destitution and are forced to compete with twenty odd nations to use the Health Service set up and paid for by British workers.

Well said Malena áá The politicians are trying to scare us so much that in the event of a referendum!!! we will vote to stay in. They are making us feel that we will all starve and that other nations will declare war on us and that we would have no one to stand up for us." Billy No Mates"
We were a strong country now we are weak and a lot of that weakness has been brought about by being a member of this destructive club. We can be strong again if we throw off the shackles.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 15:10

I know what you have said and what you are saying Panda, but we signed up in the first instance to a Common Market, not the inordinate conglomeration of diverse languages and cultures that we now have to allow across our borders and give access to services which they have no right. Those who thinks that is a fine and righteous thing to do are the ones who are taking advantage.

I would like to be made aware of the benefits to me and mine of British membership of the EU. áEveryone know what it costs but not what we get back..

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 15:17

fuzeta wrote:
malena stool wrote:I don't doubt any of the points you make Panda, but countries such as Germany and France are the manufacturing base of the EU, they kindly allow us to manufacture what they don't have the capacity for. Many of today's vehicles made here were once British owned. The plants were sold off to European companies, as indeed was the steel and other component parts they are made from. The profits from these companies no longer benefit Britian, but they do British shareholders who still rake in their yearly payouts.

As an afterthought... How many of our 'Honourable Members' have shares in these once British owned companies? one wonders...

Back on topic, we were always better on our own, we made our own decisions as we made our own mistakes also, but we didn't rely on Europe for our coal or gas and our economy was stronger when we were alone, we never imported electricity, in fact we exported power to France for years.

We turned our back on a thriving commonwealth of English speaking nations to join what?

We may never again be a world power making decisions which affect others, but we can and should have the right to make our own decisions, not pour vast sums of money into a multilingual agglomeration while our own people have food banks, destitution and are forced to compete with twenty odd nations to use the Health Service set up and paid for by British workers.

Well said Malena áá áThe politicians are trying to scare us so much that in the event of a referendum!!! we will vote to stay in. áThey are making us feel that we will all starve and that other nations áwill declare war on us and that we would have no one to stand up for us." Billy No Mates" á á
We were a strong country now we are weak and a lot of that weakness has been brought about by being a member of this destructive club. We can be strong again if we throw off the shackles.

It will take years to return being the nation we were, but we would have full employment, all speaking a common tongue and only be working to support ourselves, not continental Europe. And if they dont like us ...so what? they never have.

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Post  fuzeta on Sat 5 Apr - 15:45

"And if they dont like us ...so what? they never have."

It never used to worry us Malena don't see why it should now áá

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 16:39

fuzeta wrote:"And if they dont like us ...so what? they never have."

It never used to worry us Malena don't see why it should now áá
Exactly fuzeta.áá

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 18:36

If it was Greece Exiting the EU wouldn't mind a bit, but they would hate to lose the money we provide and only Germany expected to increase its aid.
Now you have Ukraine knocking on the door who have already E108 billion, it is going to be a nightmare in the EU, why didn't Cameron arrange a get-out before now?

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 19:36

He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 19:43

malena stool wrote:He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....
It's disgraceful malena how we have let all and sundry buy the U.K. It is they who are buying up London Houses and inflating prices in the process..

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 20:26

Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....
It's disgraceful malena how we have let all and sundry buy the áU.K. It is they who are buying up London Houses and inflating prices in the process..
Yes it's them, our financial backers from the Gulf and not to forget our very own Peace Envoy Blair, and his loveable wife Cherie.....

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 21:17

malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....
It's disgraceful malena how we have let all and sundry buy the áU.K. It is they who are buying up London Houses and inflating prices in the process..
Yes it's them, our financial backers from the Gulf and not to forget our very own Peace Envoy Blair, and his loveable wife Cherie.....

Not so long ago the Blairs were in trouble over one of their London properties , not declaring income from the ground floor Flat , pretending it was for their personal use. I have never known such an avaricious couple Cherie caught out over the Bristol Flat her friend's Boyfriend had purchased for her.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 21:21

Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....
It's disgraceful malena how we have let all and sundry buy the áU.K. It is they who are buying up London Houses and inflating prices in the process..
Yes it's them, our financial backers from the Gulf and not to forget our very own Peace Envoy Blair, and his loveable wife Cherie.....

Not so long ago the Blairs were in trouble over one of their London properties , not declaring income from the ground floor Flat , pretending it was for their personal use. I have never known such an avaricious couple Cherie caught out over the Bristol Flat her friend's Boyfriend had purchased for her.
I think it's fair comment that were it not for Blair's former position as PM, he would surely fail a PRB check... As would most MPs...

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 21:40

malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:He may have a lot of shares in a lot of the EU money making shemes, we wouldn't want him to take a loss on behalf of the country and people who pay his salary....
It's disgraceful malena how we have let all and sundry buy the áU.K. It is they who are buying up London Houses and inflating prices in the process..
Yes it's them, our financial backers from the Gulf and not to forget our very own Peace Envoy Blair, and his loveable wife Cherie.....

Not so long ago the Blairs were in trouble over one of their London properties , not declaring income from the ground floor Flat , pretending it was for their personal use. I have never known such an avaricious couple Cherie caught out over the Bristol Flat her friend's Boyfriend had purchased for her.
I think it's fair comment that were it not for Blair's former position as PM, he would surely fail a PRB check... As would most MPs...

Oh well malena, nothing we can do , I was an active Member of the CND when there were literally thousands and thousands from all over Britain on the March , now we have the likes of North Korea , a loose cannon . with nuclear capabilities.

I did think occupy Wall street would make a difference around the World but that was snuffed out . Politicians and Bank Directors will continue to make money .

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 22:12

We need to get out of Europe IMHO, Panda... If we are going to fail it should be because we've failed not sent down by the actions of some incompetent unelected fool in Brussels. Just my opinion that is..

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Post  Panda on Sat 5 Apr - 22:45

malena stool wrote:We need to get out of Europe IMHO, Panda... If we are going to fail it should be because we've failed not sent down by the actions of some incompetent unelected fool in Brussels. Just my opinion that is..

I agree, but Politicians will not be so keen, especially the MEP's !!! Theyv'e got it made which is why Farrage is in no hurry to return to thr U.k. and look for a safeseat to contest.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 5 Apr - 23:19

Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:We need to get out of Europe IMHO, Panda... If we are going to fail it should be because we've failed not sent down by the actions of some incompetent unelected fool in Brussels. Just my opinion that is..

I agree, but Politicians will not be so keen, especially the MEP's !!! Theyv'e got it made which is why Farrage is in no hurry to return to thr U.k. and look for a safeseat to contest.
We cannot carry on like this though Panda, our youth are out of work, yet hounded by incompetent corrupt ministers to find jobs which are going to immigrants at slavery rates of pay, services cut back, taxes on the increase, our streets are unsafe, gun and knife crime increasing, but all is well on the ministerial pay front.... what they can't pay themselves they steal at no risk to themselves....
The nation is on target for civil unrest and the causation of the strife will call out our troops and police to protect themselves.

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Post  Panda on Sun 6 Apr - 7:21

malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:We need to get out of Europe IMHO, Panda... If we are going to fail it should be because we've failed not sent down by the actions of some incompetent unelected fool in Brussels. Just my opinion that is..

I agree, but Politicians will not be so keen, especially the MEP's !!! Theyv'e got it made which is why Farrage is in no hurry to return to thr U.k. and look for a safeseat to contest.
We cannot carry on like this though Panda, our youth are out of work, yet hounded by incompetent corrupt ministers to find jobs which are going to immigrants at slavery rates of pay, services cut back, taxes on the increase, our streets are unsafe, gun and knife crime increasing, but all is well on the ministerial pay front.... what they can't pay themselves they steal at no risk to themselves....
The nation is on target for civil unrest and the causation of the strife will call out our troops and police to protect themselves.

Why is Cameron so weak that he cannot demand the end to immigration ?. We havn't got a clue how many illegals are in Britain and Theresa May is doing nothing to stem the tide. The Border Agency is rubbish and cannot even quantify the number of illegals who disappeared into the community while their papers were being checked.

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Post  malena stool on Sun 6 Apr - 8:50

Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:We need to get out of Europe IMHO, Panda... If we are going to fail it should be because we've failed not sent down by the actions of some incompetent unelected fool in Brussels. Just my opinion that is..

I agree, but Politicians will not be so keen, especially the MEP's !!! Theyv'e got it made which is why Farrage is in no hurry to return to thr U.k. and look for a safeseat to contest.
We cannot carry on like this though Panda, our youth are out of work, yet hounded by incompetent corrupt ministers to find jobs which are going to immigrants at slavery rates of pay, services cut back, taxes on the increase, our streets are unsafe, gun and knife crime increasing, but all is well on the ministerial pay front.... what they can't pay themselves they steal at no risk to themselves....
The nation is on target for civil unrest and the causation of the strife will call out our troops and police to protect themselves.

Why is Cameron so weak that he cannot demand the end to immigration ?. We havn't got a clue how many illegals are in Britain and Theresa May is doing nothing to stem the tide. The Border Agency is rubbish and cannot even quantify the number of illegals who disappeared into the community while their papers were being checked.
These events you describe are not by accident Panda. Our leaders couldn't give a damn how many come here legally, these immigrants are their and their friends cheap labour source, as indeed are many illegals. As for the illegals, they simply blame previous administrations for letting them in. They even put the onus on genuine businesses to check sealed containers and trailers picked up from bonded Customs Warehouses and Compounds in Calais and other storage areas. Fining innocent UK businesses for transporting them here in containers and trailers which have been sealed by foreign Customs agencies.

A couple of years or so back, HM Customs were found to have subcontracted the guarding of a bonded warehouse to G4S I believe it was. Anyway, these subcontractors were discovered using illegal immigrant labour..

Even our 'Honourable Members' are discovered to employ illegals as 'nannies', but strangely they manage not to be fined or punished in any way.

Despite their Public School Education, posh clothes and nasal stare they all answer to the name Bill Sykes and wear masks.

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Post  Panda on Sun 6 Apr - 9:43

Morning malena, sadly , the days are gone when protest marches brought the Government to heel. It's like we all moan and worry, but no one is actually doing anything!!!! The calibre of MP's is nothing like the Thatcher days when the Cabinet Members were competent. Tony Blair is solely responsible for ignoring Civil Servants and creating spin, yet he walks away from 13 years of mismanagement and makes a fortune.....I give up.!!

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Post  malena stool on Sun 6 Apr - 14:52

Panda wrote:Morning malena, sadly , the days are gone when protest marches brought the Government to heel. It's like we all moan and worry, but no one is actually doing anything!!!! áThe calibre of MP's is nothing like the Thatcher days when the Cabinet Members were competent. Tony Blair is solely responsible for ignoring Civil Servants and creating spin, yet he walks away from 13 years of mismanagement and makes a fortune.....I give up.!!
He completed what he set out to do, Panda. He's made millions and set up his wife to do the same... Should a political system become tainted, a once respected political party turn to sewage or even a few people get bruised along the way... well, so what?

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Post  Panda on Sun 6 Apr - 15:51

malena stool wrote:
Panda wrote:Morning malena, sadly , the days are gone when protest marches brought the Government to heel. It's like we all moan and worry, but no one is actually doing anything!!!! áThe calibre of MP's is nothing like the Thatcher days when the Cabinet Members were competent. Tony Blair is solely responsible for ignoring Civil Servants and creating spin, yet he walks away from 13 years of mismanagement and makes a fortune.....I give up.!!
He completed what he set out to do, Panda. He's made millions and set up his wife to do the same... Should a political system become tainted, a once respected political party turn to sewage or even a few people get bruised along the way... well, so what?

There was a Political Discussion on T.V. this morning and someone said MP's should not have been involved at all in this fiasco and apparently it was Tony Blair who ordered the reduced sum.

Half watching the Tennis, Britain are getting clobbered but this is the first time I have seen a Team T-shirt with "Great Britain " printed on the back....ironic , wouldn't you say,áá

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