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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 21:26

r Krugel's Claims Regarding the Location of Madeleine McCann
09-Processo Vol 9...Pages 2225
Snippet from Mark Harrison's report
A Mr Krugel, at the McCann's request, attended Praia Da Luz last week from South Africa alleging he could assist in locating Madeleine McCann. I have spoken with the Police officers that accompanied him and viewed the documentation Krugel has supplied to the PJ.

The limiting factor in coming to a view is that Krugel did not allow anyone to view the handheld device he had with him or observe him using it. He was unable to provide any validating scientific data or documents to support the claims he made or the device he alleged to have with him. In short he would appear to claim he has uniquely developed a handheld device that can find a missing person alive or dead in any given terrain over any elapsed time period.

In debriefing the officers who accompanied Krugel it is possible to hypothesise what he may have been doing and using.

In consultation with a colleague Dr Wolfram Meier-Augenstein we feel he may have been attempting to give the impression he had developed and was using a "Remote Laser based gas sensing device". However his claims regarding the distance of detection, up to 20km and the use of a hair sample are highly unlikely and would be a great innovation in the scientific world. Further provenance of this technique could be sought from Prof. Miles Padgett who is a Professor of optics in physics at the University of Glasgow (m.padaett@phvsics.nla.ac.ukte1+44 1413305389)

One obvious challenge to the claims of the device capability is that if Krugel claims that by taking 3 separate location readings he is able to triangulate to an area then one would assume that as an area was identified further reading and triangulation inside that area could be conducted repeatedly until an "X marked the spot H.

Of most concern is the poor quality of his report which merely shows a google earth image of an area to the east of Praia Da Luz and includes open smb land, beach and sea. As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value.

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How could SY and Portugal be taken in by this guy.!!!!

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Re: Krugel , a fraudster..,,,employed by the McCanns

Post  margaret on Wed 7 May - 21:33

Hi panda,   

but didn't his route he said Maddie must have taken match the dogs findings? And he said she was buried on the beach?

But for the simple fact he matched the dogs l think his findings do need ruling out. Kate soon sent him packing didn't she?

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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 21:39

margaret wrote:Hi panda,   

but didn't his route he said Maddie must have taken match the dogs findings? And he said she was buried on the beach?

But for the simple fact he matched the dogs l think his findings do need ruling out.  Kate soon sent him packing didn't she?  

Hi margaret, I just cannot believe that this new investigation is based on the work of Krugel !!!! Whose idea was it SY or Portugal???? As if enough money has not already been wasted by SY , what's the betting nothing is found .

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Daniel Krugel Facts

Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 21:44

http://www.daniekrugelfacts.com/

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Post  wjk on Wed 7 May - 21:45

Who's saying this is what its based on?
The Sun and Sky news? Both Murdoch owned.

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 21:47

Was he the loon walking around the streets with a divining stick ?

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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 21:54

wjk wrote:Who's saying this is what its based on?
The Sun and Sky news? Both Murdoch owned.

Hi wjk......I can't believe that SY and the Portugese decided to spend yet more money on searching, based on this Guy's "expertise". If Kate was honest she would have advised against this , they don't care do they the McCanns, safe in the knowledge that nothing will be found.

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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 21:57

Lioned wrote:Was he the loon walking around the streets with a divining stick ?

Read the facts post above Lioned , he is a loony and I cannot believe SY and the Portugese even contemplated this new "search"

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 22:16

So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

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Post  dazedandconfused on Wed 7 May - 22:22

Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

Two more pages and this will be absolute fact

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 22:24

dazedandconfused wrote:
Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

Two more pages and this will be absolute fact

I think sooner than that.

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Post  margaret on Wed 7 May - 22:27

Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

I agree. The media are all guessing.

D&C   

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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 22:31

Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

Lioned , I posted on thhe main thread at 18.19


"Just announced, the reason for this latest attempt to find out what happened to Madeleine is , wait for it.........Daniel Krugel.!!!! "

So it must have been a sky news item, or Brunt

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 22:36

Had to be true.

So its definitely Krugels fault then !

D & C i should have had a couple of quid on that.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Wed 7 May - 22:38

Lioned wrote:Had to be true.

So its definitely Krugels fault then !

D & C i should have had a couple of quid on that.

Yes, you would be quids in. I've never been any good at gambling.

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 22:42

dazedandconfused wrote:
Lioned wrote:Had to be true.

So its definitely Krugels fault then !

D & C i should have had a couple of quid on that.

Yes, you would be quids in.  I've never been any good at gambling.

Not a gamble really,there is a certain inevitability about some things.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Wed 7 May - 22:45

Lioned wrote:
dazedandconfused wrote:
Lioned wrote:Had to be true.

So its definitely Krugels fault then !

D & C i should have had a couple of quid on that.

Yes, you would be quids in.  I've never been any good at gambling.

Not a gamble really,there is a certain inevitability about some things.

I would be a runner up though only a page out

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Post  Panda on Wed 7 May - 22:48

Lioned , this is the full post, probably Brunt who said it because he is in PDL and updating quite often. Looks like they have read the Report and decided to emulate Krugel but with the Radar .

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Post  Lioned on Wed 7 May - 22:50

Ok panda thanks for the info.

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Post  kitti on Thu 8 May - 7:35

Of most concern is the poor quality of his report which merely shows a google earth image of an area to the east of Praia Da Luz and includes open scrub land, beach and sea. As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value....Harrison.




The money was not there in 2007 for radar equipment....

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Post  chrissie on Thu 8 May - 11:27

Panda wrote:
Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

Lioned , I posted on thhe main thread at 18.19


 "Just announced, the reason for this latest attempt to find out what happened to Madeleine is , wait for it.........Daniel Krugel.!!!! "

So it must have been a sky news item, or Brunt

So where did you hear this Panda? Who announced it?

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Post  Panda on Thu 8 May - 11:35

chrissie wrote:
Panda wrote:
Lioned wrote:So where does it say it is Krugels evidence that has prompted this latest action from SY ?

Lioned , I posted on thhe main thread at 18.19


 "Just announced, the reason for this latest attempt to find out what happened to Madeleine is , wait for it.........Daniel Krugel.!!!! "

So it must have been a sky news item, or Brunt

So where did you hear this Panda?  Who announced it?

Morning chrissie, as I explained to Lioned, it is on the sky report thread. Martin Brunt talking to the sky news desk when he said this , it is not written anywhere. Probably this new Radar equipment was likened to Krugels' leaf.  

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Post  comperedna on Fri 9 May - 17:17

Krugel is a simple charlatan... like the man who used a dumb and useless golf ball finding mechanism which itself did not work to hoodwink armies across the world into buying it to detect hidden bombs. Why does ANYBODY give characters like him, or 'mediums', or other oddball spooky-dooky persons even the time of day?

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Post  mossman on Fri 9 May - 18:33


Who here would ever have heard of this man, if not for the McCann case ? How and why did the McCanns contact him ? July 2007 he arrived, I think. Very early into the saga, they found out about this man, investigated his methodology, thought about using him, talked about it, contacted him, and hey presto he arrived. All in a few short weeks, at what must have been one of the busiest times of their whole "campaign".

I just don't understand how they came to be aware of such an unusual man and his equipment, at that point in time. Did he charge them ? If so how much and who paid ?

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