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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 20 May - 12:35

I've just seen this on Facebook. Anyone got the Times? Can't read it online without a subscription.

Has anyone seen today's Times?...."Madeleine McCann The Met has 37 officers and staff investigating her murder in Portugal in 2007. The Home Office has met costs to date of £5.35 million"

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Post  Lioned on Tue 20 May - 13:04

Think yesterdays Times Anna.You have to subscribe but some clever person over at Jills has posted a screenshot.

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Post  tanszi on Tue 20 May - 13:23

Investigating her murder, so its official then is it, Madeleine McCann is dead.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 20 May - 13:32

Lioned wrote:Think yesterdays Times Anna.You have to subscribe but some clever person over at Jills has posted a screenshot.

Thanks Lioned. Seems that headline has been whooshed!

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Post  Lioned on Tue 20 May - 13:52


Best i can do.



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Post  interested on Tue 20 May - 14:50

MURDER in Portugal??? Has the Times been Carter-Rucked?

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Post  chrissie on Tue 20 May - 14:53

Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!

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Post  almostgothic on Tue 20 May - 15:05

'Twas their sister paper (Sunday Times) which related the sorry tale of the suppressed Smithman e-fits and the gagging of Mr Exton re his hypercritical report.

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Post  jassi on Tue 20 May - 15:46

chrissie wrote:Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!

When investigating a death, the police always seem to proceed as if it is murder until evidence proves otherwise.

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Post  interested on Tue 20 May - 15:50

chrissie wrote:Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!



Interesting too that the comment about Madeleine's "murder" is part of the article which is about ".....sex abuse units....".

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Post  jassi on Tue 20 May - 16:01

interested wrote:
chrissie wrote:Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!



Interesting too that the comment about Madeleine's "murder" is part of the article which is about ".....sex abuse units....".

That, of course, has been the McCann line right from the beginning - taken by a sexual predator.
An absolute certainty, without the slightest bit of evidence to support it.

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Post  interested on Tue 20 May - 16:19

jassi wrote:
interested wrote:
chrissie wrote:Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!



Interesting too that the comment about Madeleine's "murder" is part of the article which is about ".....sex abuse units....".

That, of course, has been the McCann line right from the beginning - taken by a sexual predator.
An absolute certainty, without the slightest bit of evidence to support it.



A "certainty" just like all Gerry's "opinions" re abduction without any evidence. Who can forget his "opinion" of the dogs? when any other parent given the results the dogs indicated would be hysterical with emotion.

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Post  Guest on Tue 20 May - 16:49

chrissie wrote:Interesting that they use the word murder. First time I've heard it used since Brunty's faux pas on twitter which was quickly whooshed!

The first time I ever heard the word "murder" used was by Kate McCann.

"Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."'

19 October 2007.


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Post  Lioned on Tue 20 May - 17:04

One of the missing yachtsmen relatives was complaining this morning that they spend 7 years looking for Madeleine mccann and wont spend two days looking for four missing men at sea !
Then Cameron intervenes and low and behold the search is back on.

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Post  margaret on Tue 20 May - 18:46

AnnaEsse wrote:
Lioned wrote:Think yesterdays Times Anna.You have to subscribe but some clever person over at Jills has posted a screenshot.

Thanks Lioned. Seems that headline has been whooshed!

I've just come from Jill's, it has NOT been whoosh clunked yet....  

(Btw, it's not a headline its the paragraph at the bottom that Iris posted). Thanks iris.

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Post  cherry1 on Tue 20 May - 20:03

Interesting in the article McCann case mentioned in between North Wales Childrens Homes Abuse and Yewtree Jimmy Savile.

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Post  wjk on Tue 20 May - 20:04

Yes, both child abuse stories!

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Post  LJC on Tue 20 May - 20:07

Lioned wrote:One of the missing yachtsmen relatives was complaining this morning that they spend 7 years looking for Madeleine mccann and wont spend two days looking for four missing men at sea !
Then Cameron intervenes and low and behold the search is back on.

Well, we are talking different countries here for one thing. It is the United States who were looking for these men and who called off their search.

So, David Cameron intervenes, well good I say for the four missing men. Nothing wrong with that as far as I can see.

And it does go to show that Governments do indeed intervene when one or some of their own are missing.

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Post  matthew on Tue 20 May - 23:08

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Post  weissnicht on Wed 21 May - 7:25

LJC wrote:
Lioned wrote:One of the missing yachtsmen relatives was complaining this morning that they spend 7 years looking for Madeleine mccann and wont spend two days looking for four missing men at sea !
Then Cameron intervenes and low and behold the search is back on.

Well, we are talking different countries here for one thing. It is the United States who were looking for these men and who called off their search.

So, David Cameron intervenes, well good I say for the four missing men.  Nothing wrong with that as far as I can see.

And it does go to show that Governments do indeed intervene when one or some of their own are missing.
It's a search, not a criminal investigation. Big difference if politician (non stop, 3 PMs) get involved in police work.

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Post  Panda on Wed 21 May - 8:00

Morning all, is there any way one of you clever Members can enlarge the print and post it again?? You must all have perfect eyesight  

It's OK. I found this on mccannfiles

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Police sex abuse units tied up with old cases The Times

Sir Hugh Orde

Sir Hugh Orde said an historical inquiry squad should be set up to ease the pressure on other units Dave Thompson/PA

Sean O'Neill Crime Editor
Published at 12:01AM, May 19 2014

The growing number of historical cases that the police are investigating is taking hundreds of officers away from present-day threats, one of the country's top police officers has said.

Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that an historical inquiry squad should be set up to ease the pressure.

The unit would deal with exceptional cases in a consistent way, instead of the ad-hoc responses to major inquiries such as the Hillsborough disaster, abuse at north Wales care homes and the activities of undercover police in the Stephen Lawrence investigation.

Sir Hugh said that the police faced "increasing pressure" to conduct historical inquiries that could not be ignored. "To police the future you have to police the present and the past — it's all about public confidence," he said.

However, the nature of those inquiries was that they demanded significant commitment of officers, time and money. Some cases were "drawing, without question, specialist officers from current inquiries to do historical inquiries".

Police numbers in England and Wales have fallen by 16,000 since 2009, while there has been a growth in calls for inquiries, especially in the specialist area of child sex abuse cases.

Sir Hugh said: "The question here is do we have to set up an independent historical inquiry team to deal with the emerging issues, which I don't think will slow down. It would have to be of sufficient size to be competent, but it would take the pressure off everyone who is suddenly having to find loads more experts from current, reducing forces who are fully employed dealing with current issues."

He added: "The issue really is how does one protect the decreasing front line from being dragged away from its primary function of keeping people alive."

Sir Hugh said that historical cases demanded high levels of resources to find papers, locate witnesses and decide how to handle victims, who might not always want to be reminded of the past.

Police chiefs are also looking with concern at Northern Ireland, where half the major crime team resources are devoted to inquiries into past events during the Troubles. Sir Hugh, a former chief constable in the province, said there was much to be learnt from the historical inquiries team there, despite criticism of it by inspectors.

He added that criticism of the team was "ill informed and ill judged", because it failed to recognise that it was an independent unit set up with the priority of giving victims and families "maximum disclosure" and a form of resolution without guaranteeing trials and prosecutions.

Cost of investigating the past

North Wales care homes The investigation into alleged child abuse between 1953 and 1995 has 26 officers and staff and cost £1.3 million in its first year

Madeleine McCann The Met has 37 officers and staff investigating her murder in Portugal in 2007. The Home Office has met costs to date of £5.35 million

Yewtree The investigation into past sex crimes, which developed from the Jimmy Savile scandal, has 30 officers and cost £2.7 million to date



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Post  wjk on Wed 21 May - 8:06

Panda wrote:Morning all, is there any way one of you clever Members can enlarge the print and post it again?? You must all have perfect eyesight   
Panda, if you go to Iris' post at 4.49pm, above the pic, it says 'Enlarge this image' or similar, you may still need your specs, but you should be able to read it.

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Post  Panda on Wed 21 May - 8:15

wjk wrote:
Panda wrote:Morning all, is there any way one of you clever Members can enlarge the print and post it again?? You must all have perfect eyesight   
Panda, if you go to Iris' post at 4.49pm, above the pic, it says 'click to enlarge' or similar, you may still need your specs, but you should be able to read it.

thanks wjk, but our posts crossed.  

As you can see, the cost of all these investigations is horrendous when there is an appeal for donations to help pay for food for Syrian Refugees in Lebanon most of th money spent has been wasted.

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Post  wjk on Wed 21 May - 8:32

Panda wrote:thanks wjk, but our posts crossed.  
No worries   

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Post  margaret on Wed 21 May - 9:17

matthew wrote:


Yep.

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