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Post  Karen on Wed 28 May - 12:02

Article from the Correio Da Manha newspaper 28/05/14. Translated. - with Thanks to Jill Havern site

Correio da Manhã (paper edition)

(Translated by Astro)

Englishpeople dig in three areas

Searches to look for the body start next week. English defend burglary thesis.

by Tânia Laranjo /Ana Isabel Fonseca
28.05.2014

Scotland Yard wants to dig at three locations, in Praia da Luz, searching for Madeleine McCann's remains. The Englishpeople have already set the letters rogatory - requesting two additional searches -, but these have not yet arrived at the Polícia Judiciária in Faro. Only then will the dates for the beginning of the excavations be set, although it seems that they will start early next week.

The three grounds are located near the Praia da Luz resort, in Lagos, where the English child disappeared from, on the 3rd of May of 2007. The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards.

Dogs that specialise in detecting cadaver odour will participate in the searches. The animals come from England and have already been successfully used in the retrieval of other bodies. The radars that will be used to find out if there is an alien object under ground will come from the same country.

CM knows that the excavations will be carried out by the English police. The Judiciária will be on location just due to bureaucratic issues, given that it holds jurisdiction over the area.

The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already - because these are private grounds. Any discovery will be communicated to the Portuguese authorities and will become part of the process, which was reopened late last year, and which presently runs against unknown persons.

CM was further able to establish that the diligence by the Englishpeople will last for four to six days. The cost of the operation will be fully supported by the English police, which is already arranging for the rental of backhoes and other equipment that is needed for the excavations.
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Post  wantthetruth on Wed 28 May - 12:25

Interesting. How do they know where to look?

Perhaps in the areas Martin Grimes originally said were 'in need of further investigation' ?


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Post  kitti on Wed 28 May - 12:34

Burglary my arse.


Coincides with the hallogen programme next week

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Post  kitti on Wed 28 May - 12:36

So the burglar bought a shovel with him, just in case.

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Post  wantthetruth on Wed 28 May - 12:39

kitti wrote:So the burglar bought a shovel with him, just in case.

Of course Kitti.  Sill you!  All burglars have shovels and secret hiding places for anybody they should happen to murder whilst on the rob...........

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Post  kitti on Wed 28 May - 12:49

KNOWBODY is going to believe this baloney even if her body is found.



Let's face it, the mccanns want an end to this, they prob haven't got much left in the fund to give to a charity for missing people.
The bulk off the money has been stashed away and my guess is, they will move abroad.


The mccanns will NEVER be exonerated unless they have a trial and found not guilty.


If the body is found, the mccanns are responsible for her death, they left her alone for a 'burglar' to come in and murder her, simple as that and they will be forever known for the couple who left a child alone to enable someone to kill that child and if they had not off left her alone then she would be here today and for the mccanns to say, it could off happened if they were asleep in the next room, it would not off happened because the patio door would off been locked and they would not off been able to get in.

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 13:01

Correio wrote:The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already

No matter what we think about it being ridiculous etc for search warrants to be issued there must be some intelligence at least.

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Post  kitti on Wed 28 May - 13:07

Oh yes I agree but this could off been done in 2007 after the dogs had come in as Mr Grimes had stated that it needs further investigation ...this isn't new.



The things that are being brought up now were brought up in 2007 but Mr Amaral was took off the case so couldn't be further investigated...SY are taking credit where it isn't due.

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 13:27

kitti wrote:Oh yes I agree but this could off been done in 2007 after the dogs had come in as Mr Grimes had stated that it needs further investigation ...this isn't new.



The things that are being brought up now  were brought up in 2007 but Mr Amaral was took off the case so couldn't be further investigated...SY are taking credit where it isn't due.

Agree and disagree. Yes it should have been done in 2007, but no SY have not done anything yet to take credit for. They have not started digging yet, they have not found anything yet, so what credit is there for them to take? The fact that they have taken a decision to ask permission to dig is the only thing to credit them for, which at this stage is neither here nor there, and most posts I have read believe there is nothing to find, which is contrary to intelligence possibly?




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Post  almostgothic on Wed 28 May - 13:49

They've got JCBs.
They've got radar equipment.
Significantly, they've got cadaver dogs, which shows that they trust them to do the job.

I'm fine with all of that.

It could all be smoke and mirrors to divert attention away from other dig sites.

I'm fine with that too.

What I'm most happy with is that the investigation is now firmly planted back in Portuguese soil, after the McCanns and their little helpers have tried to push it firmly in every other direction.

Oh Gerald. With just a little foresight you could have trained up and sales-pitched your own cut-price breed of cadaver tortoises by now.
That would have slowed things down a bit.
Still, I'm sure you can manage to have the job postponed once more by suddenly remembering that it's your great-aunt's neighbour's milkman's birthday at the beginning of June ...

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Post  mossman on Wed 28 May - 14:03

Cadaver dogs will be used.....so they are searching for a body.  Why else bother ?  This brings an end to the myth she may be alive.

Using cadaver dogs again reinforces the fact that police believe these dogs and have faith in their work.  Another myth out the window.  This says to me they cannot and have not discounted Eddie and Keelas findings in the original investigation.

That they now say the searches are NEAR PDL is interesting. How far away I wonder ?


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Post  almostgothic on Wed 28 May - 14:05

LJC wrote:
Correio wrote:The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already

No matter what we think about it being ridiculous etc for search warrants to be issued there must be some intelligence at least.

I think this is a very important point.
They can't just enter someone's property or piece of land on spec, without having a damn good reason for being there.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 28 May - 14:12

LJC wrote:
Correio wrote:The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already

No matter what we think about it being ridiculous etc for search warrants to be issued there must be some intelligence at least.

That's my thinking, LJC. I remember reading that there had been road works going on when Maddie disappeared and maybe some other excavation work. It was said at the time that those areas were checked, but I wonder how easy it might be, if earth is already turned over, to dig more deeply, bury and small body and make the digging look undisturbed.

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Post  almostgothic on Wed 28 May - 14:14

mossman wrote:Cadaver dogs will be used.....so they are searching for a body.  Why else bother ?  This brings an end to the myth she may be alive.

Using cadaver dogs again reinforces the fact that police believe these dogs and have faith in their work.  Another myth out the window.  This says to me they cannot and have not discounted Eddie and Keelas findings in the original investigation.

That they now say the searches are NEAR PDL is interesting.  How far away I wonder ?

By signalling their intention to use the dogs, they are sending out a very clear message to those who have trashed their reputation for seven years.

I'm intrigued by the 'near PdL' statement too. Is it just a newspaper error or something they should have kept under wraps?

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 14:35

I completely agree with all above posts from almostgothic, mossman and AnnaEsse.

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Post  Guest on Wed 28 May - 14:45

Look on the bright side. The McCann's libel trial case is now well and truly screwed. And they'll have to pay all costs.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 28 May - 14:53

LJC wrote:I completely agree with all above posts from almostgothic, mossman and AnnaEsse.

Thanks, LJC. I am thinking that the police have had information about those places they're going to be digging.

What if the McCanns had waited until the initial search was over, retrieved the body from a hiding place and buried somewhere that had already been searched? Perhaps where pipes were being laid.

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 15:05

AnnaEsse wrote:
LJC wrote:I completely agree with all above posts from almostgothic, mossman and AnnaEsse.

Thanks, LJC. I am thinking that the police have had information about those places they're going to be digging.

What if the McCanns had waited until the initial search was over, retrieved the body from a hiding place and buried somewhere that had already been searched? Perhaps where pipes were being laid.

Yes, that is not beyond imagination, and on reflection perhaps the same intelligence did not exist in 2007? Many people are assuming the 2007 intelligence is the same as the 2014 intelligence.

In any cold case review new information comes along which either changes a scenario or strengthens a known scenario from a past date.

We do not know what is going on with this enquiry due to Portuguese secrecy.

Even if nothing is found after the digging is completed, it cannot be classed as a waste of time and money if this is new intelligence being acted upon, however it could be classed as a failure by Police both British and Portuguese if new intelligence is not followed up.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 28 May - 15:08

I think one of the most incriminating details would be if Maddie's body were to be found not wearing those pyjamas.

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 15:21

AnnaEsse wrote:I think one of the most incriminating details would be if Maddie's body were to be found not wearing those pyjamas.

Yes indeed. And her pyjamas must be somewhere else?

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Post  tanszi on Wed 28 May - 15:22

annaesse that has always been my thinking that if Maddie was buried in PdL, or in her first hiding place, she will have been removed. jimo.

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Post  wjk on Wed 28 May - 15:32

I too agree with all the above posts and posters   
I think we have VERY interesting times a head of us!
At least, after 7 long years, something IS happening now.
And I'm hoping against hope that it will point to Snr Amaral being correct in his thinking all those years ago   

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Post  Panda on Wed 28 May - 15:52

I hate to suggest this dig will not be successful , but one, no two thoughts niggle me.

1. If the search does not provide any evidence of Madeleine , the McCanns can still claim abduction.

2. This result would negate Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in 5a ....it"s the "show me the body" claim Duarte would make.

Obviously we will just have to wait and see and I hope evidence is found , if not , the Portugese will close the case .

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Post  LJC on Wed 28 May - 16:23

Panda wrote:I hate to suggest this dig will not be successful , but one, no two thoughts niggle me.

1. If the search does not provide any evidence of Madeleine , the McCanns can still claim abduction.

2. This result would negate Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in 5a ....it"s the "show me the body" claim Duarte would make.

Obviously we will just have to wait and see and I hope evidence is found , if not , the Portugese will close the case .

Final findings may depend on the intelligence rather than on whether or not they find Madeleine's body.  I personally think that both British and Portuguese would conclude that she is dead if that is what their intelligence is pointing to, even if they don't find her. It may not provide concrete proof as to who killed her or if it was an accidental death and concealment, but just because there is no body found does not mean they cannot draw the conclusion that she is dead.  Without knowing what intelligence they hold it is impossible for any of us to foresee what the final conclusion will be though.

I think Mr Amaral can hold his head up, which he does do to be fair to him.  I do not think there was ever enough evidence to bring about charges against anyone in 2007 but am hoping with all my fingers crossed that whatever intelligence they are now acting upon it will bring about the conclusion of what became of Madeleine, whether she is found or not.


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Post  Panda on Wed 28 May - 16:36

LJC wrote:
Panda wrote:I hate to suggest this dig will not be successful , but one, no two thoughts niggle me.

1. If the search does not provide any evidence of Madeleine , the McCanns can still claim abduction.

2. This result would negate Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in 5a ....it"s the "show me the body" claim Duarte would make.

Obviously we will just have to wait and see and I hope evidence is found , if not , the Portugese will close the case .

Final findings may depend on the intelligence rather than on whether or not they find Madeleine's body.  I personally think that both British and Portuguese would conclude that she is dead if that is what their intelligence is pointing to, even if they don't find her. It may not provide concrete proof as to who killed her or if it was an accidental death and concealment, but just because there is no body found does not mean they cannot draw the conclusion that she is dead.  Without knowing what intelligence they hold it is impossible for any of us to foresee what the final conclusion will be though.

I think Mr Amaral can hold his head up, which he does do to be fair to him.  I do not think there was ever enough evidence to bring about charges against anyone in 2007 but am hoping with all my fingers crossed that whatever intelligence they are now acting upon it will bring about the conclusion of Madeleine being alive or otherwise whether she is found or not.

I know what you are saying LJC but surely there has to be closure on this case come what may. The Portugese have been ridiculed, forced to liaise with SY and , received no help from the Parents of the missing child and if this Radar and other equipment shows nothing to suggest Madeleine was buried somewhere....the Portugese MUST say enough is enough, Their Police have also spent a lot of money on this case and will surely want to get back to some kind of normality as will the Residents of PDL...fancy a trip over there when the search starts??  

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