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Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 2 Jun - 13:26

Keela wrote:What would the McCanns say if a blue bag was uncovered. You know, the one they didn't have. The thoughts of others that one of the tapas crew may have cracked passed through my mind.

There's proof positive that there was a blue bag and a blanket though as they were in the photos released with the files. I just cannot imagine how they could possibly deny there ever being either when they're quite clearly visible in the photos.

I've no idea about the rag doll either. I can't remember seeing it. So long back now that I forget bits of the puzzle.

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Post  Roasted Arizona on Mon 2 Jun - 13:26

duncanmac wrote:Not sure how finding a body will fit in with the events of the hire car many weeks later.
GA was adamant the car was used to move the body.
Surely they would not have buried the body so close to the resort.
I thin they may be looking for other items of assistance to the events.
The bag etc....

I reckon that if the body was buried nearby, then maybe the car was used to remove items used to dig the grave etc....along with other items which may have dna/cadaver odour on them.

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Post  chrissie on Mon 2 Jun - 13:30

dazedandconfused wrote:
Keela wrote:What would the McCanns say if a blue bag was uncovered. You know, the one they didn't have. The thoughts of others that one of the tapas crew may have cracked passed through my mind.

There's proof positive that there was a blue bag and a blanket though as they were in the photos released with the files.  I just cannot imagine how they could possibly deny there ever being either when they're quite clearly visible in the photos.

I've no idea about the rag doll either.  I can't remember seeing it.  So long back now that I forget bits of the puzzle.

I assumed that posters were referring to cuddlecat.

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Post  MaryB on Mon 2 Jun - 13:34

I think they're looking for 'items of interest'. And somebody was on Sky news saying the police must have some evidence telling them where to dig and that he doubted that it was just a hit and miss operation. So it looks like they are looking for something specific and have an idea where it is. I suppose you could call that a development. Or is that two optimistic.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 2 Jun - 13:36

chrissie wrote:
dazedandconfused wrote:
Keela wrote:What would the McCanns say if a blue bag was uncovered. You know, the one they didn't have. The thoughts of others that one of the tapas crew may have cracked passed through my mind.

There's proof positive that there was a blue bag and a blanket though as they were in the photos released with the files.  I just cannot imagine how they could possibly deny there ever being either when they're quite clearly visible in the photos.

I've no idea about the rag doll either.  I can't remember seeing it.  So long back now that I forget bits of the puzzle.

I assumed that posters were referring to cuddlecat.

Probably. Thanks chrissie

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Post  mossman on Mon 2 Jun - 13:37

The rag doll I refer to was photographed with Kate leaving the Church in PDL. There was a report at one point that it was a birthday present she had bought for Madeleine and it was taken to PDL to give to her. Another report, some time later said the doll was given to Kate as a gift by a well wisher in Church.

The doll was never seen again.

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Post  Keela on Mon 2 Jun - 13:52

mossman wrote:The rag doll I refer to was photographed with Kate leaving the Church in PDL.  There was a report at one point that it was a birthday present she had bought for Madeleine and it was taken to PDL to give to her.  Another report, some time later said the doll was given to Kate as a gift by a well wisher in Church.

The doll was never seen again.


OMG!!! not another abduction.

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Post  chrissie on Mon 2 Jun - 13:55

Thanks mossman.  I found these photos which I haven't seen before:




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Post  MaryB on Mon 2 Jun - 13:58

I had not noticed the rag doll before. But I did read ages ago there was more than one cuddle cat. Maybe even three. One each for them. Don't know how true that is.

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Post  wantthetruth on Mon 2 Jun - 14:00

Keela wrote:
mossman wrote:The rag doll I refer to was photographed with Kate leaving the Church in PDL.  There was a report at one point that it was a birthday present she had bought for Madeleine and it was taken to PDL to give to her.  Another report, some time later said the doll was given to Kate as a gift by a well wisher in Church.

The doll was never seen again.


OMG!!! not another  abduction.

   

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Post  kitti on Mon 2 Jun - 14:02

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10385486_10203780607777983_3546086658305859515_n.jpg





Luz resident.....

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Post  mossman on Mon 2 Jun - 14:18

wantthetruth wrote:
Keela wrote:
mossman wrote:The rag doll I refer to was photographed with Kate leaving the Church in PDL.  There was a report at one point that it was a birthday present she had bought for Madeleine and it was taken to PDL to give to her.  Another report, some time later said the doll was given to Kate as a gift by a well wisher in Church.

The doll was never seen again.


OMG!!! not another  abduction.

   

   

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Post  mossman on Mon 2 Jun - 14:36

Where is Martin Brunt ? Tom somebody else is reporting for Sky in PDL.

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Post  cass on Mon 2 Jun - 15:17

mossman wrote:Where is Martin Brunt ?  Tom somebody else is reporting for Sky in PDL.
mossman brunty might be camped outside rothley towers , or maybe sy head quaters    

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Post  mossman on Mon 2 Jun - 15:43

cass wrote:
mossman wrote:Where is Martin Brunt ?  Tom somebody else is reporting for Sky in PDL.
mossman brunty might be camped outside rothley towers , or maybe sy head quaters    


Oooo Cass good thinking   

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 2 Jun - 17:07

Strange, a BBC article that shows the concern of PDL residents!


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27664401

2 June 2014 Last updated at 12:37 GMT


S.Madeleine McCann search causes concerns in Praia da LuzBy Lauren Turner

BBC News

Some locals voiced frustration that new searches for Madeleine McCann had begun at the start of summer
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For the McCann family, the latest search for evidence about their daughter's disappearance couldn't come soon enough. But some in the resort of Praia da Luz are frustrated by the timing.

It is the start of the summer season on the Algarve - its busiest period of the year by far.

Families and retired couples are heading from the UK to the resort of Praia da Luz - making the short journey from Faro Airport further along the coast.

Here, the population increases four-fold in the summer months, remaining popular for the same reasons it attracted the McCanns - it is compact, family-friendly and has activities to keep all ages occupied.

Children can be seen paddling in the waves and building sandcastles on the beach, all under the blazing sun.

But just up the hill a large area of scrubland has become a hive of activity with police officers inside a cordon and journalists outside.

The land is owned by a company belonging to one of Portugal's richest men and is a short distance from the centre of the village.

Many residents walking past it don't want to comment at all.

Those who do speak tend not to give their names - but express their fears about the effect the renewed attention on the search for missing Madeleine McCann will have on this tiny village that comes into its own in the summer months.

Portuguese police were joined by British officers as their latest search began
A woman from Essex, one of many British people with a holiday home here, says: "We're all fed up with this. It's a nuisance at this time of year.

"All this attention had an effect before and now it will again. It's totally disruptive."

Another holidaymaker, from Newry, County Down, is here with her family, including her grandchildren, and has walked down to the search ground to show them what is happening.

She says: "My sympathies are with the McCann family - I met them in 2007.

"But I don't know what the police hope to achieve. It disturbs the village."

She also points out that in the hot weather, the ground will be very hard, making any searches potentially difficult.

One woman known as Nana, who has lived in the area for 15 years, feels so strongly that she walks up to the site on Rua 25 da Abril with a handmade placard bearing the words: "Dig up lies, not Luz".

"I'm very angry, frustrated, furious," she says.

"It has such a detrimental effect on Luz locally, for tourism.

"People live off tourism. Luz is suffering and that's why I'm angry."

The police activity is happening now because Portuguese authorities recently accepted a Metropolitan Police request to search the area of scrubland near where Madeleine, then three years old, went missing in 2007.

Gerry McCann, Madeleine's father, has expressed his family's gratitude that the Metropolitan Police team had moved on to a "very active" phase in its investigation.

But local mayor Victor Mata wants to know why the search is happening at precisely the wrong time for the tourism industry.

Sitting in his office, almost within sight of the cordoned off area, he says through a translator: "The next three months are when the entire village earns its keep.

"The timing couldn't be worse. Summer essentially starts today.

"The people of Luz are not against the searches for Madeleine but seeing as it's been seven years, they would have appreciated it if they could have started in a few months' time."

He says he personally has heard of several British families cancelling their trips in recent days, having seen the media reports about the searches.

"They've decided to go somewhere else because of this," he says.

"Luz is losing out."

An area of scrubland in Praia da Luz has been sealed off by police
As well as being put off by the police activity, holidaymakers may also be staying away because of the number of press congregating here, with one hotel saying a booking had been cancelled for that very reason.

Despite the resort's desire to move on from the tragedy of missing Madeleine, it seems a hard task.

At the beach, a family buying ice creams comment on having seen a television film crew and discuss the search amongst themselves.

And at the Ocean Club, two women in beachwear slow down as they approach apartment 5a, where the McCanns were staying when Madeleine vanished.

In the church that overlooks the bustling beach, a sanctuary away from the heat and noise outside its doors, a middle-aged woman lights a candle inside.

It joins four other flames burning, each a silent act of remembrance.

It is here that Kate McCann says she still seeks solace on her visits back to the resort, drawn to the area she last saw her daughter.

This next stage of the investigation is focused on trying to provide the answers she still needs.

And closure is also what the people of Praia da Luz want - disruptive as this latest development must be.

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Post  frencheuropean on Mon 2 Jun - 17:27

And a link to a video about the searches today in PDL . ( in Portuguese but interesting images)
 
Video - Escavações em duas zonas da praia da Luz para encontrar Maddie

http://videos.sapo.pt/aMqfmZWbqZdQIFssM6nB

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Post  LJC on Mon 2 Jun - 19:02

I think at this stage of the discussion it is important to point out that this is not actually a dig.  It is a scoping exercise only.  A dig will only happen if the scoping exercise throws up anything abnormal.  The scoping exercise is expected to last around a week.  
BBC wrote:Officers are expected at some stage to use dogs and "ground penetrating radar" to search the scrubland, looking for signs of disturbed earth, according to news reports.

So, only if they find signs of disturbed earth will a dig take place, at least that is how I understand it.

I doubt neither the PJ or SY would want to start digging holes unless they feel it is absolutely necessary.

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Post  fuzeta on Mon 2 Jun - 19:24

I thought all that was done before they started to do a dig. After seven years surely it will be difficult to find disturbed earth with the naked eye. Is that not why they used the helicopter and the other equipment beforehand?

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Post  LJC on Mon 2 Jun - 19:54

fuzeta wrote:I thought all that was done before they started to do a dig.   After seven years surely it will be difficult to find disturbed earth with the naked eye.   Is  that not why they used the helicopter and the other equipment beforehand?

That was only a part of it as I understand things.

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Post  Lioned on Mon 2 Jun - 20:03

I think first they look,Then they map it out,then they use the ground radar,then they use the dogs,then they dig !


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Post  interested on Mon 2 Jun - 20:09

"Madeleine: what's behind the search?" available at algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt/2014/06/madeleine The article is written by Len Port.

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Post  malena stool on Mon 2 Jun - 20:21

I was quite nauseated at the comment of the tv news reporter; "The McCann family are of course being kept informed".

What a crock of complete tish these chinless sycophants babble out.


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Post  kathybelle on Mon 2 Jun - 20:29

In my opinion, whoever removed Madeleine from the McCanns apartment, removed her to a place where she will never be found and the place is, far away from Praia da Luz.

For what its worth and until it is proved otherwise, I believe Madeleine is dead and it's because I believe that the little sniffer dogs were correct in their findings. I also believe the McCanns know exactly how Madeleine died, who removed her from the apartment and where she was taken to.

While I'm not going to go through what the McCanns have done or haven't done, since Madeleine disappeared, what I will say is, whatever the McCanns have done or haven't done is for their own benefit, not Madeleine's.






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Post  duncanmac on Mon 2 Jun - 21:45

Kathybelle.

My belief is she was quickly taken out of PDL early on May 3.
Collected at a later date during the unaccounted 12000 miles on the scenic and given a proper burial.
Thats why the car showed the traces of Cadaver and DNA

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