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"Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  interested on Thu 29 May - 20:40

Pat Brown's latest post asks the question, "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" and says, "I just don't get it." - patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  jinvta on Fri 30 May - 7:18

Thursday, May 29, 2014
Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?
 
I just don't get it. Really, I don't. I could pick a number of places in and around Praia da Luz for Scotland Yard to dig for Maddie's body or any remaining items that sniffer dogs might hit on, but that piece of wasteland is the one place I wouldn't waste my time with (no pun intended).
 
I could see the searching on the Rocha Negra, the large rock that soars above Pria da Luz and which is accessible from the beach. Kate said she had a dream that the abductor had put Maddie's little body up on this rock. It is also the location I believe Gerry may first have hidden Maddie on the night of May 3, in the sandy crevices between the rocks.
 
I could see Scotland Yard searching beach areas where on the night of May 3 there were overturned boats to temporarily hid a body under and a number of abandoned buildings and weedy areas one could hide a body for a time. All of these areas would be past the point where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child toward the beach.
 
But where Scotland Yard is looking is back toward the vacation apartment of the McCanns. This would mean the man the Smiths saw would have at some point, if he were indeed the "abductor" or Gerry himself, turn around and go back with the body of the child. Go back somewhere as in his own home or vacation flat because the man carrying the child wasn't also carrying a shovel.
 
(Update: I wrote this post prior to today's news. The search site is now to be at a location at the left bottom of the map of Abril 25), a location where Smithman would pass the Smiths. If this is so, still a bad location to try to dig a grave (open to public eye and difficult terrain) but more likely because an abductor could have taken Maddie, passed the Smiths, and gone to his home (there are some homes down that way). Then, later he could have dug a grave and buried her in that wasteland spot nearer to the beach. Still unlikely he would have bothered with a grave at that location rather than just using it as a body dump site, but if he were worried about being connected by DNA, I would think he would have taken the body out of Praia da Luz to some barren area where no one could see him digging the grave). (Also, this invalidates any theory that the sniffer dogs were right about the McCann vehicle because the car would be unnecessary and unwise to use to bring her body to that spot for burial. It could be a temporary hiding place for Maddie and then she would have been moved to someplace like the Rocha Negra and then out of Pria da Luz, but I don't know what the police would find of use there now).
 
Then, after the police started crawling the area, the man would have had to go back out and start digging a hole in an area completely open to the view of anyone passing! Who in their right mind would choose a spot to spend time burying a body where everyone can see them do it? The standard rule for even body dumps is to go to a place you know you won't be seen. When it comes to burying a body, you really need isolation; either you bury in your own backyard (the Murat theory) or you find a desolate place like Monte do Jose Mestre (my theory of where Gerry may have buried Maddie) but you sure as hell don't pick a place that is open on all four sides to the street where anyone walking by will see you. I have walked by that spot and there is no way I would ever chance burying a body there.
 
So, unless this is simply a public charade of looking for a body near where some local abductor lives (maybe one of those burglary gang guys), I have no clue what could have led Scotland Yard to the one spot in Praia da Luz no one would even consider as a possible grave site to dispose of a missing child.
 
Also, for those who think that Scotland Yard is looking at the McCanns, if Scotland Yard were following the sniffer dog evidence (that hit on the McCann's hire car), they would be looking outside of Praia da Luz for a body, not right in it.
 
Criminal Profiler Pat Brown
 
May 29, 2014

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  LJC on Fri 30 May - 15:03

Pat Brown wrote:Also, for those who think that Scotland Yard is looking at the McCanns, if Scotland Yard were following the sniffer dog evidence (that hit on the McCann's hire car), they would be looking outside of Praia da Luz for a body, not right in it.

Well we cannot be certain where the other locations are that were turned down, can we? And the hire car would have come later wouldn't it? What about the night of the 3rd. What about just a bit of DNA to suggest her body was in PDL first of all and then moved by car later on? Yes SY are looking for a dead Madeleine, that's clear, but even without a body death can be proven if other evidence is discovered.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  LJC on Fri 30 May - 15:07

Pat Brown wrote:So, unless this is simply a public charade of looking for a body near where some local abductor lives (maybe one of those burglary gang guys), I have no clue what could have led Scotland Yard to the one spot in Praia da Luz no one would even consider as a possible grave site to dispose of a missing child.

Would the Portuguese issue a search warrant, you know would they rubber stamp and authorise such a thing indeed if they thought it was just a public charade. Lets give the Portuguese some credit here. Okay, so Claudia 79 is right in saying that no rights are infringed so a dig is easier to grant permission for, but for goodness sake I don't think for one minute the Portuguese would allow a charade to take place for they would be complicit in it too surely?


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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  tanszi on Fri 30 May - 16:58

I am clearly sceptical of SYs role in this investigation, however, im with LJC on this. there must be something that has triggered authority from the Portuguese for this excavation in this location.





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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  fuzeta on Fri 30 May - 17:16

I totally agree with pat on this. Actually I posted much the same thing on another thread and I most certainly had not read this then. I am pleased that she has come up with the same logic as I did.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  LJC on Fri 30 May - 17:30

fuzeta wrote:I totally agree with pat on this.  Actually I posted much the same thing on another thread and I most certainly had not read this then.  I am pleased that she has come up with the same logic as I did.

So do you think then that the Portuguese are complicit in a charade?

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  jeanmonroe on Fri 30 May - 17:37

tanszi wrote:I am clearly sceptical of SYs role in this investigation, however, im with LJC on this.  there must be something that has triggered authority from the Portuguese for this excavation in this location.





Yes but TRIGGERED by whom?

It would 'appear' to have come from the UK MET.

Now why would that be?

For THEM to 'find' something and bring a convenient/expedient 'closure' to an £8 million+ and rising daily, taxpayer funded 'investigation' for ONE child, ONLY the parents of that child have said 'was abducted'?


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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  tanszi on Fri 30 May - 17:53

i don't know with this case, what came from where. it seems SY through the great British taxpayer is meeting the costs of the dig, radar equipment etc and whilst i have my own opinion of the Fundraiser in Chief and the Tortoise, they will surely be aware of public opinion in the UK, Portugal and elsewhere. They also have the eyes of the world on them and should they come up with a patsy of any sort, their already failing and falling reputation will go even lower. as with others im just watching and waiting to see what if anything apart from lots of earth and stones they find. i also think this is end game regardless, the growing furore of the costs involved in the search for one child will surely not have been missed by May and Cameron.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  MaryB on Fri 30 May - 18:08

I like to think this has come from information given on crimewatch. Nobody knows what information was phoned in.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  tanszi on Fri 30 May - 18:41

i agree MaryB we don't know what information was given.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  jeanmonroe on Fri 30 May - 19:46

MaryB wrote:I like to think this has come from information given on crimewatch.   Nobody knows what information was phoned in.  

or by whom.

A member of the T7, perhaps?

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Post  malena stool on Fri 30 May - 19:51

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  jay2001 on Fri 30 May - 20:00

I don't think they can be digging on a whim. Just praying that someone has either cracked because they cannot live with the guilt or something (don't know what) has come to light.

The friends of the Mcs don't have the lawyers or the PR spinner and numerous other collaborators that the mcs have. Guilt would eat me away and how they've got on with their lives for 7 years is beyond me. Maddie was the oldest of the children on that holiday, but now the others are reaching the age where they see the lurid headlines in the papers. The other kids at school no doubt talk and the net is so available.

Hoping the end is in sight soon.

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Re: "Why is Scotland Yard Digging There?" - Pat Brown

Post  mossman on Fri 30 May - 20:52

There are very few confirmed facts as regards the investigation. We have what Redwood stated on Crimewatch and a few up-dates on the Met website.

Now suddenly we have a confirmed location for an actual dig, days in advance ? The most significant development since the death of Tannerman, and there is worldwide advance notice.

I don't believe it. Either this is not the significant site and another dig will take place elsewhere, or it is part of operation whitewash.

I shall be interested to see what happens next week.

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