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Post  katertaif on Thu 3 Jul - 22:33

Good evening malena stool

You are unfortunately correct again. There is no easy or indeed safe answer. The only argument these twisted people understand comes from the barrel of an assault rifle or a bomb (suicide or other)

I personally don't understand it. They claim to offer us three options in essence. 1) conversion to Islam, 2) Accepting inferior status, as Dhimmis, paying a special tax ( jizya) and with horrendous restrictions on daily life. The third option is being killed. These idiots (it's difficult to think of them as sane) Seem to be only interested in the third option as the one most pleasing to their deity.

This deity will apparently condemn any non Muslim to eternal torment. If he's so merciful and forgiving, why didn't he create only Muslims or at the least allow these "Jihadis" to convert us. Killing us to condemned to torment for eternity seems counter productive.

I've just finished reading a very informative book on the life of Mohammed: It seems he had many revelations from the Angel Gabriel which were to say the least highly favourable to himself. No wonder he founded the most intolerant religion the world has ever known. Even then, he was exhorting his followers to get themselves killed as the road to paradise.

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Post  Badboy on Thu 3 Jul - 22:59

IT SEEMS WATER MIGHT BE THE KEY TO WINNING THE WAR,IF ISIS OVERRAN SOME DAMS,THEY COULD LITERALLY TURN OFF THE TAPS.

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Post  katertaif on Thu 3 Jul - 23:46

Badboy wrote:IT SEEMS WATER MIGHT BE THE KEY TO WINNING THE WAR,IF ISIS OVERRAN SOME DAMS,THEY COULD LITERALLY TURN OFF THE TAPS.

Now that is a frightening thought.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 5 Jul - 0:09

katertaif wrote:
Badboy wrote:IT SEEMS WATER MIGHT BE THE KEY TO WINNING THE WAR,IF ISIS OVERRAN SOME DAMS,THEY COULD LITERALLY TURN OFF THE TAPS.

Now that is a frightening thought.
IT IS REPORTED THAT ISIS OPENED THE FLOODGATES OF A DAM DESTROYING A TOWN AND SURROUNDING FIELDS.

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Post  katertaif on Sat 5 Jul - 9:25

Good morning badboy

Yes, it seems the Iraqi authorities have every reason to worry. The dam you mention is the Fallujah dam, which ISIS controlled for a few months. In that time they did as you say open the floodgates, while at the same time denying water to people around Fallujah.

Now they are threatening the Haditha dam which is much closer to Baghdad.

As far as the Iraqi authorities are concerned, it seems to be a no win situation for them if ISIS do get the dam. The Iraqis; afraid that ISIS might open the floodgates, are apparently preparing to do the same thing themselves. to stop ISIS from doing it. Seems a bit like friendly fire. The alternative is no better for them. a controlled release of water would possibly avoid flooding but leave Baghdad (as well as others) without adequate water. This coming up to the hottest part of the year.

It seems to be stating the obvious that ISIS must be prevented from getting control of the dam but the Iraqi forces seem incapable of doing more than slowing them down. International help is out of the question now since right or wrong that would solidify support for ISIS. perhaps Iran could do something. I doubt if the Saudis will.

Altogether a very frightening scenario. A wrong move could trigger a much wider conflict which of course is exactly what the terrorists want.

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Post  Badboy on Sun 6 Jul - 1:11

BAGHDADI HAS APPEARED ON VIDEO DRESSED IN BLACK ROBES AND BLACK TURBAN WHICH MEANS HE IS SUPPOSEDLY DESCENDED FROM THE PROPHET MUHAMMED,HE IS EFFECTUALLY TELLING THE HEAD OF AL QAEDA,I AM IN CHARGE OF EVEN YOU ZAWAHIRI AS I AM CALIPH OF ALL MUSLIMS.

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Post  katertaif on Sun 6 Jul - 9:45

Good morning badboy

Exactly he has also adopted as one of his names al Quraysh and of course Mohammed was one of the Qurayshi tribe so he's trying to claim he is a direct descendant of Mohammed the first Caliph.

Then of course the trouble came when as far as the Shi'ites were concerned the wrong one (abu Bakr) became the next Caliph. They say it should have been Mohammed's cousin and son-in-law Ali. Significantly, when Ali did become Caliph, he was assassinated. By then the damage was done

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Post  Badboy on Thu 10 Jul - 1:46

50 CIVILIAN HAVE BEEN FOUND EXECUTED NEAR HILLAJ?
BELIEVED TO BE SHIITE.

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Post  katertaif on Thu 10 Jul - 12:28

Good Afternoon badboy

I think you mean Hillah in this instance old son. Hillaj was one of their itinerant poets, executed for heresy. Hillah is where there are a lot of ancient Babylonian ruins so if these terrorist extremists are in control there, I assume the ruins will go the same way as those statues did in Afghanistan.

Whether that happens or not, it seems a great many of the splinter groups all fighting Assad Christians, and each other are going over to ISIS/ISIL/IS now. Although it may not seem so to someone not following events as you are. The situation is getting more dangerous almost by the day.

I see Nouri al Maliki, is in effect doing what Assad is doing in Syria, and refusing to acknowledge anything other than his own authority. Now he's claiming Kurdistan is a hotbed of sedition for ISIS. Well I agree with him that it's a hotbed of sedition. It has been since we partitioned the place. Having said that, the Kurds appear to be the only ones capable of putting up any meaningful resistance to the terrorists.

I shudder to think of why those two girls have gone over there. I assume it isn't to fight themselves, but one of their alleged wise men made an announcement a couple of months ago, that the women/girls could do their part by offering themselves to the men doing the actual fighting. I say it isn't actually to fight, but you just never know with these people. A screwed up patriarchy masquerading as a religion.

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Post  Badboy on Thu 10 Jul - 14:03

AL MALIKI NEEDS TO GET A GRIP,THE KURDS ARE NOT ISIS,RATHER THEIR AIM IS MORE INDENDEPENCE,THE PESHMENGA(SP?) WOULD I BELIEVE GIVE ISIS A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO A FIGHT.
THE BIGGEST FLASHPOINT MIGHT BE THE SHRINE IN SAMARRA.

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Post  Badboy on Thu 10 Jul - 15:19

ISIS HAS SEIZED LOW GRADE NUCLEAR MATERIALS IN MOSUL.
ISIS HAS PLANS TO INVADE JORDAN AND PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES.

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Post  katertaif on Thu 10 Jul - 16:21

Good afternoon badboy

You have it in one. The Kurds are indeed more interested in a Kurdish independent homeland,, and always have been. I think their leaders realise that ISIS would; if left alone incorporate any land they consider theirs into their Caliphate. They will fight for that reason. I wonder if Maliki is able to get a grip. I think he is basically doing in Iraq what Assad is doing/has done to Syria. It doesn't seem to be worrying him how many Shi'ites are killed or Sunnis either, as long as he stays where he is.

He must know it cannot continue like this. Unlike Syria, his army is in tatters. Unless he is relying on a few antiquated Russian jets to protect him, and turn the tide. Or he's hoping they attack Israel. Who knows what he's thinking.

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Post  Badboy on Fri 11 Jul - 21:55

KURDS HAVE OPPOCUCIED OILFIELDS NEAR KIRKUK AND KURDISH POLITICANS HAVE WITHDRAW FROM IRAQI GOVERNMENT.

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Post  Badboy on Fri 11 Jul - 23:44

ISIS IS NOW MAKING $MILLION A DAY FROM OIL FIELDS.
THERE ARE INDICATIONS SAUDI ARABIA IS NEXT,PRO ISIS COMMENTS ON TWITTER SUGGESTS RECRUITMENT OF PEOPLE IN SAUDI ARABIA AS WELL AS ARMY OFFICERS PREPARED TO SUPPORT ISIS,MECCA MIGHT BE NEXT

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Post  katertaif on Sat 12 Jul - 9:58

Good morning badboy

That surprises me a little I must admit. They are all tribal by nature as you know. One of the first acts of the house of Saud on taking control, was to form a National Guard consisting of the most troublesome of the tribes. That sounds like a recipe for disaster but it worked. The Guard have everything their little hearts could desire. Their own hospitals (with British staff), their own towns. On the road up from Jeddah back to Taif there was a complete, and fairly large Town, with Mosques, shopping centres etc. One snag, is it was built expressly for the Guard, but they were extremely comfortable where they were, and refused to move. the whole town was empty.

So it is the interests of the National Guard to maintain the status quo as with the rest of the armed forces. Of course there are dissidents, there always are, but to be honest, I can't see them getting far. It isn't so much that the Saudis can fight, any better than the Iraqis. the ones I saw, didn't inspire great confidence. with Saudi Arabia still being the largest oil supplier in the world, I don't think the west could stand by as they have in Iraq. mind that may be exactly what ISIS want. You never know with them.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 12 Jul - 23:44

BOMBINGS BY ISIS IN BAGHDAD KILLING ABOUT 50 PEOPLE.
EXECUTED BODIES IN SHIITE AREAS.
FIGHTING AROUND BAQUBA,ISIS SLIGHTLY ADVANCED FORWARD.

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Post  Badboy on Sun 13 Jul - 18:31

programme about ISIS TOMORROW 8.30 PM BBC1 FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW.

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Post  katertaif on Sun 13 Jul - 21:15

Good evening badboy

Thanks for that I'll make sure to tape it to watch it at leisure because as you know BBC are somewhat biased.

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Post  Badboy on Mon 14 Jul - 0:43

ISIS APPEAR TO BE MAKING ADVANCES ALONG THE EUPHRATES RIVER,PARTICULARLY THE WEST BANK,NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH PALESTINIAN ERRITORIES,ALTHOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME TO-ING AND
FRO-ING WITH THE IRAQI ARMY.
ISIS KILLED 30 WOMEN IN WHAT IS CLAIMED TO BE A BROTHEL.

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Post  katertaif on Mon 14 Jul - 9:02

Good morning badboy

ISIS seem to have stalled their almost meteoric advance, but of course there could be several reasons for that. Even so their gains seem to have slowed, but not stopped.

As for these women in a "brothel" it never ceases to amaze me that people with such a narrow view of life in general can have such a wide interpretation of what constitutes a prostitute or a brothel. In any event I can't envisage a brothel openly existing in Iraq.

I am more familiar with Saudis and Omanis than the others although over the years I have had dealings with most of them. As far as I'm concerned, they are all sex oriented, again following the precepts of their prophet, who himself openly proclaimed that the angel Gabriel had endowed him with the vigour of 40 men. In order to keep the women subdued and teach them to behave in a good Islamic manner the terrorists are quite capable of inventing a brothel, and dealing with the inhabitants in a decisive manner. They are even capable of inventing the whole thing although the chance to kill someone in the name of their deity makes that unlikely.

it was always understood among the expat. community in Saudi that all western women were prostitutes. It was only a matter of finding the price.

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Post  Badboy on Tue 15 Jul - 23:55

SPEAKER HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
SUNNI RELIGIOUS LEADERS AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ISIS.
SOME ISIS FIGHTERS COME FROM USA.
US ADVISORS HAVE WORKED OUT ABOUT HALF OF IRAQI ARMY CAN'T FIGHT.

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Post  katertaif on Wed 16 Jul - 9:20

Badboy wrote:SPEAKER HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
SUNNI RELIGIOUS LEADERS AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST ISIS.
SOME ISIS FIGHTERS COME FROM USA.
US ADVISORS HAVE WORKED OUT ABOUT HALF OF IRAQI ARMY CAN'T FIGHT.

Good morning Badboy

Panorama this week focussed on this. There is no doubt that ISIS are ruling through fear of the consequences if anyone doesn't co-operate. Having said that, an interesting comment was made about the Iraqi army. They see no reason to defend a Sunni town/city/village if they are themselves Shi'ites and are unwilling to fight ISIS because one way or another they will be killed.

The US advisors may be confusing can't with won't. If it's can't then who has been training them for the last few years? Has anything more been heard about these Russian Sukhoi jets, or the ones Iran was supposed to refurbish? I thought Maliki wanted them in action within a matter of days.

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Post  Badboy on Wed 16 Jul - 11:54

I THINK IT PROBABLY IS A CASE OF THE IRAQI ARMY WON'T FIGHT,
GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE FIGHTER JETS,HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE,IF DEPLOYED ATTACKING ISIS FORCES ON THE GROUND,ISIS FORCES COULD GRIND TO A HALT AT LEAST,IF NOT REVERSED.

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Post  Badboy on Wed 16 Jul - 13:53

THE IRAQI ARMY ARE FAILING IN THE FIGHT FOR TIKRIT.
ISIS HAS HANGED NUMBERS OF A SUNNI GROUP LED BY AN EX-MEMBER OF SADDAM;S REGIME AFTER TENSION AROSE OVER ISIS'S STRICT ISLAMIC INTERPRETIONS.
PESHMERGA FIGHTERS INCLUDING WOMEN ARE PREPARED TO TAKE ON ISIS SHOULD THEY ATTACK KURDISTAN,
ISIS HAS ALSO HANGED SOME ALLEGED SYRIAN SPIES.
ISIS HAVE ALSO OVERRAN AN EX-CHEMICAL FACILITY WITH SHELLS CONTAINING SARIN GAS,BUT IT IS THOUGHT NO ACTIVE CHEMICALS ARE PRESENT.


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Post  katertaif on Wed 16 Jul - 15:58

Badboy wrote:I THINK IT PROBABLY IS A CASE OF THE IRAQI ARMY WON'T FIGHT,
GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE FIGHTER JETS,HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE,IF DEPLOYED ATTACKING ISIS FORCES ON THE áGROUND,ISIS FORCES COULD GRIND TO A HALT AT LEAST,IF NOT REVERSED.

Good afternoon Badboy

I thought that was the idea behind the Russians giving them these aircraft and supplying Russian advisors. As you say they could make all the difference. Old they may be, but still serviceable, as are these aircraft flown into Iran by defecting Iraqi pilots during the first Gulf war.

I tend to agree with you that it is a case of won't fight, as against can't. At the moment they have complete superiority in terms of firepower, but seem not to be prepared to use it.

I think IS will be more concerned about consolidating what they have gained rather than new conquests. We'll see over the next few days how good a leader this al Baghdadi is.

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