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Post  Lioned on Wed 18 Jun - 23:05

But in the case of Iraq, air strikes present logistical problems. ISIS, despite being a disciplined, hierarchical force, does not resemble a conventional army. ISIS fighters do not wear uniforms or advance in traditional columns. This makes distinguishing between them and their opponents -- such as Shia militias -- extremely difficult.

“You’d see some guys driving around in a Humvee carrying AK-47s, or USM4s, and you don’t know whether they’re ISIS or guys going to fight ISIS. Who do you bomb?” said Austin Long, a Middle East expert at Columbia University. “It’s a recipe for things going poorly.”

Air strikes also present problems in urban areas, where an errant strike runs the risk of inflicting collateral damage.

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Post  Panda on Wed 18 Jun - 23:23

Lioned wrote:But in the case of Iraq, air strikes present logistical problems. ISIS, despite being a disciplined, hierarchical force, does not resemble a conventional army. ISIS fighters do not wear uniforms or advance in traditional columns. This makes distinguishing between them and their opponents -- such as Shia militias -- extremely difficult.

“You’d see some guys driving around in a Humvee carrying AK-47s, or USM4s, and you don’t know whether they’re ISIS or guys going to fight ISIS. Who do you bomb?” said Austin Long, a Middle East expert at Columbia University. “It’s a recipe for things going poorly.”

Air strikes also present problems in urban areas, where an errant strike runs the risk of inflicting collateral damage.

I think the Americans are very pally with Iran now who stand more chance of finding out where ISIS living quarters are and letting the US know. Of course the problem is ,we don't know how many supporters ISIS has in the U.K. who could bomb us as well.

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Post  Panda on Thu 19 Jun - 8:11

Just watched an interview with an Iraqi Soldier. he says ISIS is armed to the teeth with tanks, weaponry, bombs etc, much supplied by the US and other Countries not averse to arming Terrorists . Apparently if the West does not send in troops to kill them they will eventually target the US and UK for what they did to their Country .

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Obama can bypass Congress over Iraq

Post  Panda on Thu 19 Jun - 8:23

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27916806

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Post  Panda on Thu 19 Jun - 8:32

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10908043/Iraq-crisis-on-the-frontline-of-the-battle-against-Isis-insurgents.html

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Isis operating like a multinational company

Post  Panda on Thu 19 Jun - 17:50

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10911412/Isis-operating-like-a-multinational-company.html

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Post  malena stool on Thu 19 Jun - 19:49

Tony Blair Bears 'Total Responsibility' For Isis, Says Academic Who Advised Him On Iraq
Posted: 17/06/2014 15:44 BST | Updated: 18/06/2014 12:59 BST

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/iraq-tony-blair_n_5503110.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

There is "absolutely" a link between the invasion of Iraq and the rise of terror group Isis, for which Tony Blair bears "total responsibility", says a leading academic who advised the then prime minister in the run-up to the war.

Speaking exclusively to The Huffington Post UK, Professor George Joffe of Cambridge University said Tony Blair had a "shallow mind" and had refused to heed his warnings of post-war chaos and sectarianism in Iraq.

In November 2002, Joffe was one of three Iraq experts invited into Downing Street to brief Blair on the potential fallout from an Anglo-American attack on Baghdad.

"We were not allowed to talk about whether or not it was a good idea to invade, but only about what the aftermath would be," he told HuffPost UK, adding: "It was clear that the decision had already been made.. to invade Iraq”.

Joffe says Blair wasn't interested in listening. In response to warnings from the Cambridge academic and the two other Iraq experts, Dr Toby Dodge and Dr Charles Tripp, that the country could descend into civil war and a Sunni-led insurgency, Blair merely responded, in reference to Saddam Hussein, "But the man's evil, isn't he?"

According to Joffe, Blair "personalised" the whole issue in the form of Hussein and thus "the whole structure of Iraq was utterly irrelevant.. It was very two-dimensional."

Demonstrators wave pro-Isis flags in the Iraqi city of Mosul
On Sunday, Blair denied he was to blame for the Isis takeover of huge swathes of Iraq, including the country's second biggest city, Mosul. He wrote on his website: "We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven't." In a later interview with BBC1's Andrew Marr show, the former prime minister would only admit to having “underestimated” the "depth and the complexity of the problem".

Joffe says he told Blair in Downing Street in 2002 that if he was going to invade Iraq he "had to be aware that you might remove Saddam but you left behind a whole structure of power.. of people who would resent being displaced, disadvantaged and would react."

Blair, he recalls, "was completely uninterested in any of these complexities... he said virtually nothing for an hour and a half [and] we had the sense we were talking to a stone wall."

Asked if a line could be drawn between the decision to invade and occupy Iraq in March 2003 and the current Isis-led insurgency against the Nouri al-Maliki government in Baghdad, Joffe replied: "Absolutely."

Joffe says Blair and George W. Bush bear "total responsibility" for the current situation, including the disastrous decision to disband the Iraqi army in May 2003.

The former prime minister's most recent comments, Joffe added, "show an inability to understand politics and geopolitics. They're shameful."

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Post  joyce1938 on Sat 21 Jun - 12:27

An historian said right from the start ,Iraq would revert back to tribel groups once we leave ,I think t blair has no heart ,its a sad way to have to live ,and he has to be right ,no matter what anyone says ,no sorrow no excuse that hold water ,as we realized when mr Kelly died,all covers ups seem to bring some of us to conclusion ,something stank . joyce1938

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Post  fuzeta on Sat 21 Jun - 18:07

You are spot on there Joyce.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 21 Jun - 19:28

Yes and the entire mess is still being covered up now. Small wonder Blair changed his religious preferences..... He certainly has some confessional time owing...

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Post  Badboy on Sat 21 Jun - 21:51

I READ IN TODAYS GUARDIAN THAT THERE ARE SUNNIS READY TO REVOLT WHEN/IF ISIS GIVES THE ORDER,MIND YOU SADR CITY WILL PROBABLY PUT UP A FIGHT.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 21 Jun - 22:22

IT IS BELIEVED 500 BRITONS ARE FIGHTING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.
ONE WAS GOING TO STUDY MEDICINE.

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Post  malena stool on Sun 22 Jun - 12:01

Badboy wrote:IT IS BELIEVED 500 BRITONS ARE FIGHTING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.
ONE WAS GOING TO STUDY MEDICINE.
They should publish his name and ensure he never has an opportunity to either study nor practice medicine in the UK.

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Post  Lioned on Sun 22 Jun - 17:44

malena stool wrote:
Badboy wrote:IT IS BELIEVED 500 BRITONS ARE FIGHTING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.
ONE WAS GOING TO STUDY MEDICINE.
They should publish his name and ensure he never has an opportunity to either study nor practice medicine in the UK.

He is all over the press today 'Reyaad Khan is his name.

I suppose for a young man in this country the choice is to work hard on a zero hour contract maybe try find a home where you dont need to rob a bank to pay the rent.Work your bollox off for 40 years only to be told there is no pension anymore.

Or .... Go play with real machine guns in the nice warm climate of Syria or Iraq and if you cop for a bullit in the brain theres always 40 virgins waiting for you in the land of dreams.

So which one to choose.   

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Post  malena stool on Sun 22 Jun - 18:15

Lioned wrote:
malena stool wrote:
Badboy wrote:IT IS BELIEVED 500 BRITONS ARE FIGHTING IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.
ONE WAS GOING TO STUDY MEDICINE.
They should publish his name and ensure he never has an opportunity to either study nor practice medicine in the UK.

He is all over the press today 'Reyaad Khan is his name.

I suppose for a young man in this country the choice is to work hard on a zero hour contract maybe try find a home where you dont need to rob a bank to pay the rent.Work your bollox off for 40 years only to be told there is no pension anymore.

Or .... Go play with real machine guns in the nice warm climate of Syria or Iraq and if you cop for a bullit in the brain theres always 40 virgins waiting for you in the land of dreams.

So which one to choose.       
A hard decision indeed Lioned, and he can do just as he likes, but he shouldn't be given the opportunity to be taught or practice medicine here when he returns from his jaunt. There are few enough chances available for anyone to fulfill a worthy career in the UK without going to a foreign sovereign state and kill innocent men, women and children then expect to walk back into a job on your return.

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Post  Badboy on Tue 24 Jun - 23:22

ISIS ARE NOW SAYING THEY WILL BE IN BAGHDAD BY NEXT MONTH,THERE ARE SOME ISIS TO EAST OF BAGHDAD.

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Post  katertaif on Wed 25 Jun - 9:09

Good morning badboy

I for one wouldn't bet against them, there seems to be far more to this, than we are being told. On the face of it, they have absolutely no chance. There aren't (relatively speaking, that many of them) Many are not trained, or battle hardened, they only up to now have light weapons (again relatively speaking) They are facing a vastly superior force, well equipped, and many of them have seen action before. In theory, there is no contest, yet they are gaining ground. In addition to which, they will shortly be able to put heavier weaponry into it, as they learn to use the American armour and artillery abandoned by the Iraqi's. The stories about the Iranian revolutionary guard involvement seems to have melted away.

So there is I believe some factor or factors that we don't know about - Yet!

I do believe this is an extremely dangerous twist in that they may not be battle hardened now, but when they come back here they will be, and far better trained in sabotage. We are getting the usual denials from the Muslim spokespeople. You could almost set it to music. Oh it's only a very few of them the majority don't want this at all. no it isn't the fault of the Mosques. It's a tried and tested gambit; keep denying it, until strong enough to enforce it. It's worked elsewhere, and if it isn't broke there is no need to fix it.

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Post  Badboy on Wed 25 Jun - 13:52

ISIS ARE SAID TO HAVE 6,000 MEN UNDER ARMS.
IF ISIS WINS,THE OTHER SUNNIS MIGHT TURN ON THEM,ALREADY THERE ARE TENSIONS.

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Post  katertaif on Wed 25 Jun - 15:28

Good afternoon badboy

Yes, that seems to be the figure most people say they have. Against a vastly superior army with the Iraqi air force, and the Kurds in the north they should in theory have absolutely no chance.

I agree that if and when they consolidate their gains, the Sunnis in those areas will realise they should have been more careful what they wished for, but by then it'll be a bit late, since these terror factions rule with a rod of iron and only know one method of discipline. That is how a relatively small number of Taliban were able to take and maintain control in Afghanistan.

Although these people have what is popularly supposed to be an extreme form of Islam, and sharia system, I have found that while many don't practice it to that extreme they are in sympathy with it. Until of course it's too late as I say.

Now they have border crossings in their control, men and materiel can move more freely and once these abandoned US tanks etc come into it, the playing field will be more than levelled. Jordan particularly, is a key target. It remains to be seen what resistance. King Abdullah's forces can put up. Now they know what to expect when captured.

I still believe that at least some of their success is due to 5th column type activity.


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Post  Badboy on Thu 26 Jun - 1:08

IN JORDAN,AZZARQA IS A SALAFIST AREA,ZARQAWI COME FROM THERE.

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Post  katertaif on Thu 26 Jun - 15:52

Good afternoon badboy.

Yes you're right, Zaqrqawi did come from there. Just goes to show that these terrorists are from any and all backgrounds, and there are far more of them than the apologists like to admit.

the latest extremist threat seems to be coming from a group called Tablighi Jamaat. They are trying (after it's been refused once) to get permission to build a new mega Mosque in West Ham.

This sect do not believe in any kind of integration and make the women walk behind the men, women may not go out without a male member, must be chastely dressed (Burqa, Hijab, and Niqab, plus gloves.

Then they want to tell us they are not controlled by the men, and make their own decisions. Some hopes. Once again keep denying it, until strong enough to enforce it.

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Post  wantthetruth on Thu 26 Jun - 17:17

Problem, reaction, solution.

People still fall for it.


The Government had better get moving to protect us all from this 'new' threat on our shores...........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10923624/Theresa-May-New-surveillance-powers-question-of-life-and-death.html

And whilst at it, they should obviously boot out all those nasty Muslims.........


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Post  malena stool on Thu 26 Jun - 17:35

wantthetruth wrote:Problem, reaction, solution.

People still fall for it.


The Government had better get moving to protect us all from this 'new' threat on our shores...........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10923624/Theresa-May-New-surveillance-powers-question-of-life-and-death.html

And whilst at it, they should obviously boot out all those nasty Muslims.........

They should certainly ensure that our laws apply to Muslim residents of the UK and put a stop the unification of 'parts' of Sharia Law into UK law.

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Post  katertaif on Fri 27 Jun - 9:22

wantthetruth wrote:Problem, reaction, solution.

People still fall for it.


The Government had better get moving to protect us all from this 'new' threat on our shores...........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10923624/Theresa-May-New-surveillance-powers-question-of-life-and-death.html

And whilst at it, they should obviously boot out all those nasty Muslims.........


For reasons I have stated before now it would be impossible to boot out all nasty Muslims. As someone who has been an emigrant and found out that the grass wasn't noticeably greener elsewhere I learned the very first rule almost immediately. when in Rome........ When someone comes here to make a better life for themselves, they should obey the laws of the land. Of course they may bring certain of their own customs with them, that is enrichment. they should not expect to be able to continue with FGM/forced marriage/ so called honour killing/ witchcraft/sharia etc etc. that is not enrichment, and is not something any civilised person would aspire to.

Of course immigrants have children, and those children are British. Again they should stay within the law. by all means campaign to have the law changed if someone feels so strongly about it, but in the meantime obey it. No one is above the law, and no one should be allowed to decide what laws they will obey, and what laws they won't. that is anarchy.

If a group of people want sharia in their area, then as I say campaign for it but observe the law in the meantime. That should apply to everyone, whether immigrant or born here. The time is coming of course when we will be outnumbered. That is obvious to all thinking people. Then candidates ill be elected who will change things to suit their electorate. Then it will be us who will have to obey the law, although I suspect many will find they should have been more careful what they wished for.

No I do not have any quick fixes. having said that, and apart from having emigrated and returned, I have also spent some few years working in the Middle East and other Muslim countries. While there I di did my best to learn as much as I could. It may work there, it won't here.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 28 Jun - 1:07

ISIS ARE NOW SOUTH OF BAGHDAD.
SYRIA HAS BOMBED INSIDE IRAQ FROM THE AIR.

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