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Post  Guest on Sat 2 Aug - 9:49

Three weeks' worth of "news" reporting wrapped up in a single cartoon. Brilliant.


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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 2 Aug - 10:03

Iris wrote:Three weeks' worth of "news" reporting wrapped up in a single cartoon.  Brilliant.


When my daughter was at school, one of her friends turned up at our house in the early hours of the morning. She had been beaten up by her parents and had escaped through a kitchen window. We told the young Muslim woman that she could stay as long as she wanted in our house. We received death threat by phone and by notes through our door. One evening we had a phone call saying that some people were coming to burn our house down. Should we have waited and talked to these people? Well, no, we phoned the police!

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Post  malena stool on Sat 2 Aug - 10:39

Israeli Soldier With UK Links 'May Have Been Killed' In Gaza, Hamas Say, As Britain's 'Role' In Arming Israel Is Revealed
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Posted: 02/08/2014 09:13 BST Updated: 15 minutes ago Print Article

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/02/israel-gaza-conflict-_n_5643655.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D283003

Hamas have said an Israeli soldier with links to the UK may have been killed in a strike on his captors by the Israeli military, Hamas has said.

At least 47 people were killed as Israel launched fresh attacks on Gaza overnight amid the continued hunt for the "kidnapped" Israeli soldier.

Officials in Palestine said 37 of those killed died in Israeli strikes on Rafah, where the soldier, Hadar Goldin, went missing.

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Hadar Goldin, an Israeli soldier who had lived in Cambridge, is believed to have been abducted by Hamas

The military wing of the Palestinian organisation said in a statement on its website it was "not aware until this moment of a missing soldier or his whereabouts or the circumstances of his disappearance".

Israel earlier claimed Second Lieutenant Goldin had been kidnapped an hour after the start of a humanitarian ceasefire, but Hamas has denied holding the soldier and instead claims it lost contact with its fighters following a clash in southern Gaza.

"We believe all members of this group have died in an (Israeli) strike, including the Zionist soldier the enemy says disappeared," the statement read.

The Israeli military declined to comment on the statement.

Meanwhile, questions were being asked about whether military equipment manufactured in the UK has been used in Israel's offensive on the Palestinian enclave.

Documents obtained by The Independent showed that arms export licences worth £42 million have been granted to 130 British defence manufacturers since 2010 to sell military equipment to Israel, ranging from weapons control and targeting systems to ammunition, drones and armoured vehicles.

The Government said it was reviewing all licences to Israel, but a Labour MP said ministers were "burying their heads in the sand" over the issue of whether UK-manufactured weapons or components have been used in Gaza since the current round of hostilities began three weeks ago.

At least 1,600 Palestinians - most of them civilians - have been killed and 8,000 injured during the assault, while Israel has lost 63 soldiers and three civilians.

The planned ceasefire was shattered early yesterday, with each side blaming the other, and the situation escalated with the apparent capture of Lt Goldin. The Foreign Office was looking into claims that Lt Goldin held joint Israeli-British citizenship, though Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said "no evidence" had been found to back up the assertion.

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US president Barack Obama and United Nations secretary general Ban Ki-moon called for the soldier's immediate release but also urged restraint on all sides as Israeli troops pressed deeper into Gaza in the search for him.

Mr Hammond said: "If the reports that Hamas broke the ceasefire are correct then that is very serious indeed, as is the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier which will make it all the more difficult to re-establish the ceasefire to allow a humanitarian pause in Gaza."

Rabbi Reuven Leigh, a chaplain at Cambridge University and a rabbi in the local community, said Lt Goldin - who has a twin brother also serving with the Israeli military in Gaza - had lived in the city for a number of years.

"Shaken to hear of Hadar Goldin's kidnapping, he spent a few years living in Cambridge with his family, please pray for his safe return," he wrote on his Twitter feed.

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Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told US secretary of state John Kerry that Palestinian militants had "unilaterally and grossly" violated the ceasefire and attacked Israeli soldiers.

"Israel will take all necessary steps against those who call for our destruction and perpetrate terrorism against our citizens," he said.

Mr Obama said he would continue working towards a ceasefire and called on Israel to take steps to prevent Palestinian civilian casualties, saying: "Innocent civilians caught in the crossfire have to weigh on our conscience, and we have to do more."

Labour leader Ed Miliband said that David Cameron had put himself "in the wrong place" over Gaza by failing to make clear to Israel from the outset that its incursion would not resolve its problems with rocket attacks launched by Hamas from the territory.

Mr Miliband told LBC radio: "If I was David Cameron... I would be spending my time on doing everything I can to put pressure on both sides to have that ceasefire that is required.

"I think he is in the wrong place on this, because I agree with him about Hamas - Hamas is a terrible and disgusting organisation - but I think he should have said from the outset that this incursion by Israel into Gaza was not going to solve the problem. It isn't solving the problem, it's making it worse.

Meanwhile, Mr Miliband's brother David, the former foreign secretary and president of the International Rescue refugee charity, said that the focus of attention should be on the 1.8 million civilians in Gaza trapped inside a war zone.

Asked if Israel's deployment of military force had been "disproportionate", David Miliband told BBC2's Newsnight: "Of course. Eighty per cent of the casualties in this war have been civilians, and as the leader of a humanitarian movement, I have to defend the principle that after centuries in which civilians were caught in the crossfire of war, finally in 1949 the Geneva Convention established the absolute right to defence for civilians during war, and that is being broached.

"The heartbreaking, the heart-rending situation which faces the people of Gaza tonight is that 1.8 million of them are trapped in an area where frankly there is no safe zone, and that is completely contrary to every basic fibre of being that anyone can understand or uphold."

Official data obtained by the Campaign Against Arms Trade under the Freedom of Information Act showed that of the £42 million "military list" exports to Israel approved since 2010, some £10 million were licensed in the last 12 months.

Among manufacturers given permission to make sales were UK companies making components for the Hermes drone aircraft and Israel's main battle tank, reported The Independent. The sales are entirely lawful and make up part of a £12 billion British arms export trade.

Andrew Smith, of CAAT, told the newspaper: "There must be an immediate embargo on all arms sales and military collaboration with Israel. When governments sell weapons into war zones they cannot absolve themselves of responsibility for what happens when they are used."

And Labour MP Katy Clark said that ministers must establish whether any of the weapons or components have been used in Gaza, adding: "By refusing to investigate this vital question the British Government are trying to bury their heads in the sand. This is a shameful approach to take and frankly makes the Government look as if it has something to hide.

"The British public have the right to know the level of support which the United Kingdom has provided to the Israeli armed forces through arms sales."

A government spokesman said: "We are currently reviewing all existing export licences to Israel. All applications for export licences are assessed on a case by case basis against strict criteria. We will not issue a licence if there is a clear risk that the equipment might be used for internal repression, or if there is a clear risk that it would provoke or prolong conflict."

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg urged Israel to halt its military operations and talk to Hamas.

The Liberal Democrat leader said that the Israeli military action "appears disproportionate" and would not succeed in delivering security for its people.

Writing in The Guardian, Mr Clegg said: "If Israel wants to secure lasting safety for its people, it must use political will, not military might, to break the cycle of violence.

"Prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu must now put Israel's long-term, strategic self-interest ahead of short-term, tactical military gains. It is time for the Israeli government to talk to the Hamas political leadership in Gaza. Israel's refusal to engage with president Mahmoud Abbas's new unity government, because it includes Hamas, must be reversed."

Mr Clegg said neither side could escape blame for the current crisis, but suggested Israel could win international support with "an unexpected act of political magnanimity, rather than sporadic military reprisal".

"It is difficult to deny that Israel's military action appears disproportionate and, combined with the Gaza blockade, is resulting in the collective suffering of the Palestinian people," he wrote. "Hamas cannot escape blame either. By hiding among the civilian population and stashing weapons in schools and mosques, it has shown it is willing to sacrifice its own people for military advantage."

Former Lib Dem leader and peace envoy Lord Ashdown told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Israel should speak to Hamas.
"Neither side can blast their way to victory, so there is only one way to get peace now, and that is for the sides to sit down and start talking to each other," said Lord Ashdown.


"Hamas has to be at the table. Who's firing the rockets? It's Hamas, and so you have to talk to them... If an individual or an organisation has the support of the people who it represents, in the end you have to talk to them. We had to talk to the IRA, for goodness' sake."

Lord Ashdown said there was "no question" that Israel's military action was disproportionate, telling Today: "You have to call a spade a spade. Is it disproportionate? Yes it is, there's no question about it.

"Israel makes the excuse that because weapons are being fired from civilian areas, it's entitled to use indiscriminate total force against civilian areas. No you're not. Our troops in Afghanistan and Northern Ireland had this constantly going on - if they'd used total force against a whole civilian area because somebody had fired from it, they would have been guilty of a crime. That's not an excuse.

"To have accidentally, in the course of trying to be careful, hit a single UN school and haven, you could put down to an error in the process of trying to be careful. But to hit six, you have to conclude that's either criminally careless or carelessly indiscriminate."

Lord Ashdown described Israel's military action as "really foolish", adding: "They have had in total from thousands of Hamas rockets just two civilians killed. They've multiplied that to 60 by this operation - they've lost 60 of their own and killed thousands of Palestinians, thousands of people in Gaza, created hundreds if not thousands of terrorists, created the enmity of the entire Middle East and lost the support and sympathy of world opinion. That doesn't seem to me to be a very good dividend from military action."

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So just what actions can the Israelis take then?

Well Mr Ashdown, as an ex professional soldier, now a lip service politician.... What would you have the Israelis do?

Why tell Israel to do this? They are not the ones who keep breaking agreed periods of truce, nor have they dug tunnels into Gaza.

Why don't our biased and often corrupt politicians condemn the terrorist organisations and force them to negotiate?

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Post  Guest on Sat 2 Aug - 15:27

But there ARE "safe places" in Gaza for civilians to go. There are at least 30 underground tunnels complete with electricity, telephone cables and sanitation. Or at least there would be, if the Israelis weren't forced to destroy them, because they are only being used for terrorist purposes.

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Post  tanszi on Sat 2 Aug - 16:46

and there lies the nub Iris. the facilities are there for civilian use, but seconded by Hamas who would rather see people dead than safe and then say to the world how many are being killed.

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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 2 Aug - 18:15

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/netanyahu-us-dont-second-guess-me-hamas


WASHINGTON (AP) — Following the quick collapse of the cease-fire in Gaza, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the White House not to force a truce with Palestinian militants on Israel.

Sources familiar with conversations between Netanyahu and senior U.S. officials, including Secretary of State John Kerry, say the Israeli leader advised the Obama administration "not to ever second guess me again" on the matter. The officials also said Netanyahu said he should be "trusted" on the issue and about the unwillingness of Hamas to enter into and follow through on cease-fire talks.

The Obama administration on Friday condemned "outrageous" violations of an internationally brokered Gaza cease-fire by Palestinian militants and called the apparent abduction of an Israeli soldier a "barbaric" action.

The strong reaction came as top Israeli officials questioned the effort to forge the truce, accusing the U.S. and the United Nations of being naive in assuming the radical Hamas movement would adhere with its terms. The officials also blamed the Gulf state of Qatar for not forcing the militants to comply.

With the cease-fire in tatters fewer than two hours after it took effect with an attack that killed two Israeli troops and left a third missing, President Barack Obama demanded that those responsible release the soldier.

Obama and other U.S. officials did not directly blame Hamas for the abduction. But they made clear they hold Hamas responsible for, or having influence over, the actions of all factions in the Gaza Strip. The language was a distinct change from Thursday when Washington was focused on the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

"If they are serious about trying to resolve this situation, that soldier needs to be unconditionally released as soon as possible," Obama told reporters. He added that it would be difficult to revive the cease-fire without the captive's release.

"It's going to be very hard to put a cease-fire back together again if Israelis and the international community can't feel confident that Hamas can follow through on a cease-fire commitment," he said. His comment reflected uncertainty in the U.S. and elsewhere that Hamas was actually responsible for the incident or if some other militant group was to blame.

At the same time, Obama called the situation in Gaza "heartbreaking" and repeated calls for Israel to do more to prevent Palestinian civilian casualties.

Despite the collapse of the truce, Obama credited Kerry for his work with the United Nations to forge one. He lamented criticism and "nitpicking" of Kerry's attempts and said the effort would continue.

Kerry negotiated the truce with U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon in a marathon session of phone calls over several days while he was in India on an official visit. Kerry had spent much of the past two weeks in Egypt, Israel, the West Bank and France trying to mediate a cease-fire with Qatar and Turkey playing a major role because of their close ties with Hamas.

Those efforts failed with Israel saying it could not trust Hamas and some Israelis and American pro-Israel groups complaining that the U.S. was treating the group — a foreign terrorist organization as designated by the State Department — as a friend.

Late Thursday, however, Israel accepted Kerry and Ban's latest proposal, despite its reservations. Once the truce was violated, though, Israeli officials hit out at not only Hamas, but the United States and Qatar for its failure.

An Israeli official said the Netanyahu government viewed both Hamas and Qatar as having violated the commitment given to the U.S. and the U.N. and that it expected the international community to take practical steps as part of a "strong and swift response," especially regarding the return of the abducted soldier.

In a phone call with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro, Netanyahu vented his anger, according to people familiar with the call.

Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was "not to ever second-guess me again" and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now "expected" the U.S. and other countries to fully support Israel's offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter by name.

They said Netanyahu made similar points to Kerry, who himself denounced the attack as "outrageous," saying it was an affront to assurances to respect the cease-fire given to the United States and United Nations, which brokered the truce.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 2 Aug - 18:18

CAPTURED ISRAELI SOLDIER MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ISRAELI ATTACK ON RAFAH,SO SOURCES SUGGEST.

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Post  Guest on Sat 2 Aug - 18:34

Everyone has forgotten two other soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Everyone only remembers Gilad Shalit because he actually came home alive. Ehud and Eldad came home in boxes. They were supposed to be part of a Hezbollah prisoner exchange, but instead of two live hostages, Hezbollah sent back two coffins. Nobody knew they were dead until the exchange. It's never been established when they actually died - the IDF claimed that it was during the ambush, Hezbollah claimed that Israeli bombing killed them. Either way, they were dead, and even denied a proper Orthodox Jewish burial, as a body must be interred within 72 hours. Hezbollah had held onto these two bodies for two years and four days.

Every year on 16 July I light Yahrzeit candles for Ehud and Eldad because nobody remembers them and sadly, I see this poor boy Hadar ending up the same way.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 2 Aug - 18:50

IF ONLY THERE WAS A NEGATIOTED SETTLEMENT ON ALL SIDES.
IF ONLY,EVERYONE GOT ALONG IN PEACE AND HARMONY.

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Post  Guest on Sat 2 Aug - 19:02

It pains me greatly to have to say it Badboy, but I can't see that happening any time soon. I think we really might be entering the End Times.

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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 2 Aug - 19:06

Badboy wrote:IF ONLY THERE WAS A NEGATIOTED SETTLEMENT ON ALL SIDES.
IF ONLY,EVERYONE GOT ALONG IN PEACE AND HARMONY.

It won't happen for many reasons including the following:

1 - there are always people gaining from other people killing each other.
2 - many people tend to take sides and defend their side's actions which justifies almost anything really.
3 - Humankind sucks.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sat 2 Aug - 19:17

Iris wrote:Everyone has forgotten two other soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev.  Everyone only remembers Gilad Shalit because he actually came home alive.  Ehud and Eldad came home in boxes.  They were supposed to be part of a Hezbollah prisoner exchange, but instead of two live hostages, Hezbollah sent back two coffins.  Nobody knew they were dead until the exchange.  It's never been established when they actually died - the IDF claimed that it was during the ambush, Hezbollah claimed that Israeli bombing killed them.  Either way, they were dead, and even denied a proper Orthodox Jewish burial, as a body must be interred within 72 hours.  Hezbollah had held onto these two bodies for two years and four days.  

Every year on 16 July I light Yahrzeit candles for Ehud and Eldad because nobody remembers them and sadly, I see this poor boy Hadar ending up the same way.

I'm ashamed to say I didn't know anything about this until reading your post. How very sad.

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Post  Panda on Sun 3 Aug - 18:43

AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:
Paddy Ashdown, ex Liberal Leader and Soldier was interviewed on T.V. abut the conflict in Gaza. He admits Hamas is a terrorist organisation., but says Israel must learn that only talking will resolve  the crisis. He pointed out that Britain had to talk to the IRA many times over many months to reach agreement and that Israel must abide by any ceasefires. He also pointed out that Israel, with all it's sophisticated equipment has bombed 6 UN buiildings .

Hamas is saying they havn't got the missing Soldier and think he must be dead.

It amazes me how supposedly intelligent people can be so blinkered and see only the little bits of information that fit with their personal agenda. Like Gerry McCann, the doctor who was awarded a research grant, finding a sample of one (Zapata) to insist the dogs were unreliable, Ashdown has allowed superficial details from the news to pass through the filter of his prejudice.

Aren't we all prejudiced AnnaEsse, taking sides from News reports and T.V. discussions ? Everone was certain that the young Soldier was taken hostage by Hamas, but Israel agrees now the Soldier is dead

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Post  Guest on Sun 3 Aug - 18:52

Nobody knows yet what happened to him exactly.

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Post  Badboy on Sun 3 Aug - 22:09

I HAVE HEARD HE WAS KILLED IN ACTION.

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