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Post  Guest on Tue 2 Sep - 17:19

Panda wrote:I presume the Petition would be sent to Cameron. Latest News is the parents will be held in custody by the Spanish Police for  couple of days until the U.K. Police decide what to do.It will be the Doctors v the Parents to establish who said what, I think that Policeman ought to be sacked , again Doctors v Police , Police are saying that the Doctors told them Ashya's life was in danger which is why they acted so quickly.

You still haven't explained why the policeman, who acted perfectly correctly on the information that he had, should be sacked.

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Post  Panda on Tue 2 Sep - 18:43

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Panda wrote:I presume the Petition would be sent to Cameron. Latest News is the parents will be held in custody by the Spanish Police for  couple of days until the U.K. Police decide what to do.It will be the Doctors v the Parents to establish who said what, I think that Policeman ought to be sacked , again Doctors v Police , Police are saying that the Doctors told them Ashya's life was in danger which is why they acted so quickly.

You still haven't explained why the policeman, who acted perfectly correctly on the information that he had, should be sacked.

I would have thought it was obvious now that the Judge has had to ask the Spanish to rescind the Arrest Warrant issued on Police advice. If you read earlier posts you will see that Ashya Parents are 300 miles away from him, luckily with his older brother at his bedside.

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Post  Guest on Tue 2 Sep - 18:46

Panda wrote:
Iris wrote:
Panda wrote:I presume the Petition would be sent to Cameron. Latest News is the parents will be held in custody by the Spanish Police for  couple of days until the U.K. Police decide what to do.It will be the Doctors v the Parents to establish who said what, I think that Policeman ought to be sacked , again Doctors v Police , Police are saying that the Doctors told them Ashya's life was in danger which is why they acted so quickly.

You still haven't explained why the policeman, who acted perfectly correctly on the information that he had, should be sacked.

I would have thought it was obvious now that the Judge has had to ask the Spanish to rescind the Arrest Warrant issued on Police advice. If you read earlier posts you will see that Ashya Parents are 300 miles away from him,  luckily with his older brother at his bedside.

No, it's not obvious. The policeman acted at the time in good faith on the information he was given. Now can you please explain why you think he should be sacked.

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Post  wjk on Tue 2 Sep - 19:09

The police were acting on information given to them by the medical experts.
What do you think the police should have done with that information, Panda?
You are making your judgement with hindsight, Panda, the police haven't got that benefit.

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Post  wjk on Tue 2 Sep - 19:17

Sky news...Ashyas parents have been released in the last few minutes.

http://news.sky.com/story/1329097/ashyas-parents-released-from-custody

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Post  Panda on Wed 3 Sep - 8:21

They are giving an interview at 10am on Sky

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Post  Guest on Wed 3 Sep - 8:52

We are all still waiting for you to explain why the policeman should be sacked.

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Post  katertaif on Wed 3 Sep - 9:49

Iris wrote:It said on the news at One that a European Arrest Warrant had been issued.  

The parents take their child out of hospital, to a different place, and sell their property to fund treatment in another country.  And a EAW is issued.

The McCanns leave their child alone, in a strange place, she disappears and they leg it back to the UK.  And NO EAW is issued, in fact quite the opposite!

None of it makes any sense.

Quite right Iris it doesn't seem to make any sense. The parents of this poor little mite may; I say may not have done everything by the book but it seems that unlike some they are prepared to sell their holiday home in Spain, a holiday home I have no doubt they scrimped and saved to buy, purely to find the money to treat their little boy. They should be getting a medal for that, not arrested.

Over the years millions of pounds have been donated to send, mainly children to hospitals in the US or wherever to get treatment not available here. That little Pakistani girl shot in the head by terrorists was brought here because they couldn't treat her properly in Pakistan. Quite right and proper. We could treat her, and they couldn't. So why are the Kings any different? especially since they are paying for it themselves. BTW if you know of any way to send a donation would you be kind enough to let me know?

It seems that little boy is so ill that no one knows whether or not he realises his parents are with him. It certainly can't be doing him any good having them in a Spanish jail.

Your parallel with the McCanns actions makes it even more inexplicable

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Post  kitti on Wed 3 Sep - 10:10

I don't know why we pay stamp because when we need treatment....we don't get it and when we finally do get it....the doctors act like it's coming out off there own pocket.


To start with, a bit off respect wouldn't go amiss, calling us by our first name would make us feel a bit like they actually care and more personal and not shoving pills down our throat in the hope it will go away to save them money and telling us to go away and go see our doctor if it persists ....doesn't help our recovery .

I have seen it in A & E and I have no doubt that if I were to have a heart attack I would die waiting...after they ask my age off course and they do the calculations off how much it would cost to save me and would it be worth it.


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Post  Panda on Wed 3 Sep - 10:38

wjk wrote:The police were acting on information given to them by the medical experts.
What do you think the police should have done with that information, Panda?
You are making your judgement with hindsight, Panda, the police haven't got that benefit.

The Police made that judgement without talking to the Parents and were led to believe from the Doctors that Ashyas life was in danger . The Family managed to travel from the U.K. to Spain, were stopped and arrested because the Police had issued an extradition warrant and you think this is acceptable? Ashya through all this has shown no sign of deterioration . The Parents are on sky News now, they have had a horrendous time.

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Post  Claudia79 on Wed 3 Sep - 11:00

Ah, yes, Malala Yousafzai. That wonderful example of intelligence, courage and activism. A wonderful and admirable Muslim young woman.

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Post  wjk on Wed 3 Sep - 12:19

Panda wrote:
wjk wrote:The police were acting on information given to them by the medical experts.
What do you think the police should have done with that information, Panda?
You are making your judgement with hindsight, Panda, the police haven't got that benefit.

The Police made that judgement without talking to the Parents and were led to believe from the Doctors that Ashyas life was in danger . The Family managed to travel from the U.K. to Spain, were stopped and arrested because the Police had issued an extradition warrant and you think this is acceptable? Ashya through all this has shown no sign of deterioration . The Parents are on sky News now, they have had a horrendous time.

You said the policeman who stood in front of the cameras giving out information he got from medical experts saying Ashyas life was in danger should be sacked. What should he have done with that information, remembering that Ashays parents could not be contacted at the time and in the Medical experts opinion, time was of the essence?

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Post  Guest on Wed 3 Sep - 13:11

ah, just goes to show what happens if you dare to defy a government agency.

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Post  wjk on Wed 3 Sep - 13:20

http://news.sky.com/story/1329285/ashyas-dad-they-treated-us-like-terrorists

Brett King says Southampton Hospital knew they were taking Ashya abroad, but a doctor from the hospital denies they overreacted.1:14pm UK, Wednesday 03 September 2014
Brett King, father of Ashya, speaking to Sky News.
Video: Brett King hits out at treatment after release
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Ashya King's father has claimed his family were "treated like terrorists" after they were arrested.

An angry Brett King said he told Southampton Hospital, where the five-year-old was receiving treatment, that they were going to travel abroad so Ashya could receive alternative treatment.

But Doctor Peter Wilson from the hospital said: "We absolutely refute that we over-egged it."

Naghemeh and Brett King, parents of Ashya King, attend a news conference in the Andalusian capital of Seville
Naghemeh and Brett King speak to the media after their release
When asked if he would do the same thing again, Mr King told Sky News: "Of course. My son's worth everything.

"Worth me going to prison, worth everything, because they were going to kill him in England or turn him into a vegetable."

Mr King also gave a glimpse into the strain the ordeal had placed on his wife, Naghemeh, who was sat beside him.

Naghemeh and Brett King, parents of Ashya King, attend a news conference in the Andalusian capital of Seville
Brett King said Ashya was 'worth everything'
He told a news conference she had spent most of the time in a Spanish prison crying and that he had considered moving cells because he could not bear listening to it.

He said: "Being locked up you can't do anything. You can't help your son, you can’t help your wife. And you don't know the future; what's going to happen to Ashya without us. We didn't know what was happening.

"Hopefully now we can see our son, we can be together, we can show love to him, because without that there's no purpose to life.

Ashya King's parents Brett and Naghemeh leave jail in Spain.
Brett and Naghemeh King leave jail on Tuesday night
"We just want to help my son get through this bad time because he hasn't got too many months to live and we are locked away in a cell."

Dr Wilson said that while the hospital was aware the family wanted to go to a clinic in the Czech Republic, "at no stage did the family say to us that they were going to take Ashya and go to Prague".

"When we found that he was missing from the trust, we were at first slightly surprised, and then very very worried.

ASHYA KING AND BRETT KING
Ashya with his father, Brett
"There's quite a lot of information surrounding this case that we've not been able to share with the media that made us worry for Ashya's safety.

"We therefore, after having looked for him to ensure that we were not over-egging and jumping to conclusions, we did what we should and what any doctor or nurse does in this situation, which is contact the police."

The proton clinic in Prague has said clinicians there are ready to treat Ashya after receiving his medical notes.

Ashya King journey
Clinicians there have been in contact with Ashya's specialists at Southampton Hospital, who have agreed to refer him to the clinic after two cycles of chemotherapy in the UK, which is likely to take several weeks.

Mr and Mrs King will be reunited with their son later today after being released following the Crown Prosecution Service's (CPS) decision to drop the case against them.

They were detained on Saturday near Malaga and taken to Madrid, where they were kept in separate jails, pending an extradition hearing.

The family were planning to sell their house in Spain to help pay for the private treatment.


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Post  Guest on Wed 3 Sep - 14:02

Panda wrote:
wjk wrote:The police were acting on information given to them by the medical experts.
What do you think the police should have done with that information, Panda?
You are making your judgement with hindsight, Panda, the police haven't got that benefit.

The Police made that judgement without talking to the Parents and were led to believe from the Doctors that Ashyas life was in danger . The Family managed to travel from the U.K. to Spain, were stopped and arrested because the Police had issued an extradition warrant and you think this is acceptable? Ashya through all this has shown no sign of deterioration . The Parents are on sky News now, they have had a horrendous time.

And then you wrote the nonsensical statement "Police v Doctors". How does that work then, when you just admitted that the Police were working on the advice given to them by the Doctors?

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Post  chrissie on Wed 3 Sep - 14:19

That's the way I read it Iris......

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Post  chrissie on Wed 3 Sep - 14:51

Is there no end to the obstacles?

LBC Breaking ‏@lbcbreaking 13m

Ashya King's father says he won't be allowed to see his son at hospital in Malaga because Portsmouth Council still have custody of the boy.

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Post  katertaif on Wed 3 Sep - 15:36

Marky wrote:ah, just goes to show what happens if you dare to defy a government agency.

Very true.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 3 Sep - 15:49

chrissie wrote:Is there no end to the obstacles?

LBC Breaking ‏@lbcbreaking 13m

Ashya King's father says he won't be allowed to see his son at hospital in Malaga because Portsmouth Council still have custody of the boy.

I guess that means that Portsmouth Council has taken out a Care Order, but that does not necessarily mean that a parent cannot see the child. I've worked in Child Protection and parents can have supervised visits when there is a Care Order. Sounds like Portsmouth Council is being difficult.

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Post  chrissie on Wed 3 Sep - 15:59

Ah thanks Anna. Apparently he was made a Ward of Court on Friday and I've just read on twitter that they can see him but not remove him from the hospital.

Peter Lane ‏@peterlane5news 3m

Am at #Malaga hospital where #Ashya King's parents have just arrived to see him after their release from prison in #Madrid. Details @5_News

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 3 Sep - 16:01

chrissie wrote:Ah thanks Anna.  Apparently he was made a Ward of Court on Friday and I've just read on twitter that they can see him but not remove him from the hospital.

Peter Lane ‏@peterlane5news 3m

Am at #Malaga hospital where #Ashya King's parents have just arrived to see him after their release from prison in #Madrid. Details @5_News

Thanks, chrissie.

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Post  Panda on Wed 3 Sep - 17:54

Iris wrote:
Panda wrote:
wjk wrote:The police were acting on information given to them by the medical experts.
What do you think the police should have done with that information, Panda?
You are making your judgement with hindsight, Panda, the police haven't got that benefit.

The Police made that judgement without talking to the Parents and were led to believe from the Doctors that Ashyas life was in danger . The Family managed to travel from the U.K. to Spain, were stopped and arrested because the Police had issued an extradition warrant and you think this is acceptable? Ashya through all this has shown no sign of deterioration . The Parents are on sky News now, they have had a horrendous time.

And then you wrote the nonsensical statement "Police v Doctors".  How does that work then, when you just admitted that the Police were working on the advice given to them by the Doctors?

The Father says he told the Doctors that he was taking Ashya abroad and presumably the Doctors called the Police who contacted Interpol to find the Family . This will all be discussed when the family return to the U.K. . The Police will have to explain why they intervened and the Doctors and Ashyas Father produce evidence on what was said. As it has turned out , Ashya survived the travel and is soon to be given the Proton which is great news . How would you feel if all this happened to you? The Police v Doctors refers to the 2 of them giving statements on what they said.

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Post  Guest on Wed 3 Sep - 18:30

Ah, "presumably". So you don't actually have any facts, then, you're just making it up as you go along. Now why doesn't that surprise me.

The police do not have to explain anything. They acted in good faith on the information provided by the medical experts. There is no "Police v Doctors". You are just posting prejudiced lies, as usual. At least it makes a change from teachers.

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Post  Panda on Wed 3 Sep - 18:48

Lawyers have been engaged and Ashya has been made a Ward of Court so  the Parents can't take him out of Spain. Aysha's Father is adamant that he told the Doctors he was taking his Son for treatment, the Doctor at the Southampton Hospital says he didn't want Ashya to be moved so it is all in the melting pot now. Much will depend on the report of the oncologist Jeremy Hunt has sent to the Spanish Hospital .

Iris, I hope you now accept that I do not make things up and that all will be revealed when the Lawyers confirm who said what.

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Post  Panda on Wed 3 Sep - 18:59

http://news.sky.com/story/1329285/ashya-king-reunited-with-his-mother-and-father

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