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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  kitti on Tue 2 Sep - 11:07

The pj and leicester police were the only two forces actively investigating the disappearance and came up with the only conclusion, along with the help off Rainbow, that Madeleine died in apt 5a and the parents were involved .



It was shelved in 2008 due to lack off evidence even though they knew who committed the crime but to what extent some off them were involved...couldn't be proved.


There was NO confusion up until then, the confusion came after the case was shelved and the mccanns brought in their own private investigators.. MET3, Oakley International and Haligen and off course Cowley and Co...(confusion is good as Gerry McCann said).


Gamble got involved because a child had gone missing, he can give his opinion but that is all, after all, the mccanns had said that Madeleine had been taken by a 'couple' who's looking after her ..so mixed signals there, yet again confusion given out by the Mccanns.


The mccanns created this confusion and turned it into a farce not anyone else.




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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  almostgothic on Tue 2 Sep - 11:14

What's he trying to do?

I'd go with your first suggestion, frencheuropean - upping his profile on the coat tails of the S & S book (which has obviously had some input from him) in the hope that a áMiliband government with a new Hone Sec might look more favourably upon him áand his proposal for a national centre for missing dhildren (headed by himself, natch).

The whole Sky deal last night was a bundle of self-promotion (Gamble) and a heap of book promotion (Summers and Swan).
And it was all packaged up in deceptively shiny paper as A Serious And Important News Report.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  jeanmonroe on Tue 2 Sep - 12:22

almostgothic wrote:What's he trying to do?

I'd go with your first suggestion, frencheuropean - upping his profile on the coat tails of the S & S book (which has obviously had some input from him) in the hope that a áMiliband government with a new Hone Sec might look more favourably upon him áand his proposal for a national centre for missing dhildren (headed by himself, natch).

The whole Sky deal last night was a bundle of self-promotion (Gamble) and a heap of book promotion (Summers and Swan).
And it was all packaged up in deceptively shiny paper as A Serious And Important News Report.
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And it was all packaged up in deceptively shiny paper as A Serious And Important News Report
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And it was all packaged up in deceptively shiny paper as a 'Seriously Helpful Investigational Tutorial Exercise' aka... S.H.I.T.E.

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Cock up rather than conspiracy?

Post  comperedna on Tue 2 Sep - 12:39

That was the general tenor of the Sky News Special yesterday, and Brunty's short bit on it this morning. A lot of news bigwigs were sat around a table, including boss cat Adam Boulton.

A white haired guy speaking on behalf of the S and S book yesterday described the early search for Madeleine as sufferring from Too Many Cooks.

Jim Gamble, who wrote the report, slated the Leicestershire police in particular, painting them as being somewhat'out of their depth': (poor old Stu, eh?) a regional force responsible for passing all information gleaned in Britain on to the Portuguese... trying hard, but with great difficulty to co-ordinate blah, blah. The logos of all the authorites from the Serious Crime Office, the Met, CEOP itself, ACPO, The Home Office, The Foreign Office, the office of the PM himself and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all were shown, and it was said that they had all piled in wanting to help, but that they had all been kind of treading on each others toes.

The early Portuguese investigation was said to have been rather 'haphazard', but that it was difficult for them to know who was taking charge of things in the UK, and with whom they should liaise. This is said to have damaged relations between the Brits and the Portuguese. At one point it was said that they may have even felt the interrelationship was somehwhat 'colonial' in style.

No-one said WHY all these senior British authorities felt the need to push into this case from the start.
Madeleine? (and the reason for her disappearance) She was hardly mentioned.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  almostgothic on Tue 2 Sep - 14:29

Government response to Gamble's report:

Govt remain "fully committed" to Madeleine search
Last updated Tue 2 Sep 2014

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-09-02/govt-remain-fully-committed-to-madeleine-search/

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  frencheuropean on Tue 2 Sep - 14:39

Never seen so many ( nearly 100/100) negative comments:

https://www.facebook.com/skynews/posts/926302824050982

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  interested on Tue 2 Sep - 14:41

"...but it was difficult for them to know who was taking charge of things in the UK..."á For God's sake, it was a Portuguese investigation, why would someone in the UK be in charge of "things"?á Poor sad little Madeleine, seven years later and the parents who abandoned her areápursuing legal action against the one person who sought to divulge the truth of the investigation.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  comperedna on Tue 2 Sep - 15:01

This report is four years old! They are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to bring out just before the damages/libel trial recommences.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  LJC on Tue 2 Sep - 15:35

interested wrote:"...but it was difficult for them to know who was taking charge of things in the UK..."á For God's sake, it was a Portuguese investigation, why would someone in the UK be in charge of "things"?á Poor sad little Madeleine, seven years later and the parents who abandoned her areápursuing legal action against the one person who sought to divulge the truth of the investigation.

Yes a Portuguese investigation that needed information from the UK - and someone needed to be in charge of the UK end of things, so that the Portuguese had a point of contact to go to. This was Leicestershire Constabulary aided and abetted by all the other agencies named.

I was expecting load of PJ bashing but none came particularly, other than the word haphazard was used to describe the early stages of the investigation and in many ways it was haphazard, mainly due to the McCanns interfering and the GNR thinking Madeleine had just wandered off of her own accord. And Mr Amaral hardly got a mention either. It was odd I thought because I am so used to the Portuguese end of things being blamed, not the British.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  interested on Tue 2 Sep - 16:40

Blacksmith Bureau comments on Jim Gamble, "More Victims"á www.blacksmithbureau.blogspot.com

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  mossman on Tue 2 Sep - 17:23

interested wrote:"...but it was difficult for them to know who was taking charge of things in the UK..."á For God's sake, it was a Portuguese investigation, why would someone in the UK be in charge of "things"?á Poor sad little Madeleine, seven years later and the parents who abandoned her areápursuing legal action against the one person who sought to divulge the truth of the investigation.
That's why they did not produce financial records or medical records or indeed anything the PJ asked for to aid the investigation. áThat's why there was a long delay in the actioning of the Gaspar statements. They did not know who was in charge. (Their excuse, not my opinion)

This reeks of a hand washing exercise. áWhether its because the outcome will be positive for Madeleine or positive for the McCanns and their Establishment friends remains to be seen, but I think there is more to this than that new book and a Clarrie pink pr exercise.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  comperedna on Tue 2 Sep - 17:34

Have to say I enjoyed that particular Blacksmith post.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  kathybelle on Tue 2 Sep - 18:00

margaret wrote:Jim gamble and summers and swann mentioned in the same sentence, makes you wonder who commissioned this book....

I think more damage was done to the investigation in 2007 by the Mccanns refusal to cooperate, lbet that isn't in his report.

I wouldn't trust Jim Gamble as far as I could throw him. He has been a staunch supporter of the McCanns, since the day he got involved with them.


http://spudgunsspoutings.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/mccanns-champion-will-real-jim-gamble.html


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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  comperedna on Tue 2 Sep - 18:08

In this case I think Blacksmith is right, that he is an empire builder, and just the sort of policeman most Brits do not appreciate.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  tanszi on Tue 2 Sep - 18:24

absolutely agree with you and Blacksmith comparedna. what man needs to see proof of the awful things dones to children, he must have seen photos and read reports on what was happening to them, he didn't actually need to go and try to find one did he?

He must be feeling pretty isolated if all he can do is speak about an unpublished report commissioned by the Home Office, and why would he be the person to undertake it, and support a book supporting the McCs. sad ole git. imo. that's says much about him doesn't it, a supposed secret report which he is prepared to talk about to get himself in the media. if it was so important why didn't he speak up before?

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  jeanmonroe on Tue 2 Sep - 18:27



Hmmm................ JG "a child has gone 'MISSING....."

Say it man, 'a child was ABDUCTED"!

Lots of child 'missing' mentioned, in video, but NO child 'abduction' mentioned.

Curiouser and curiouser.............

Madeleine WAS 'abducted' right?

Straight from the horse's mouth!

Jim Gamble, EX CEOP CEO,

".....CEOP certainly didn't have the capacity err, or the inhouse EXPERTISE, to deal with it, given it's size and focus....."

Why let a little thing like having NO 'capacity' or 'expertise' in 'missing' child cases, stop CEOP from 'rushing in' on this particular 'case'?

The things they say, huh?

eta: Can anyone tell me how FAST CEOP 'rushed in' to 'help' on the Ashya King, Mikaeel Kular 'missing' child 'cases'?

They did 'rush' in on those two 'cases' didn't they?
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J Gamble: "but the fact that a child was, you know, has... was... did go missing... is still missing, and that those parents are tortured..."

It was 'abduction', Jim, 'ABDUCTION'!.....but NOT as we KNOW it!


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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  Guest on Tue 2 Sep - 18:35

tanszi wrote:absolutely agree with you and Blacksmith comparedna. áwhat man needs to see proof of the awful things dones to children, áhe must have seen photos and read reports on what was happening to them, áhe didn't actually need to go and try to find one did he? á

He must be feeling pretty isolated if all he can do is speak about an unpublished report commissioned by the Home Office, and why would he be the person to undertake it, áand support a book supporting the McCs. ásad ole git. imo. áthat's says much about him doesn't it, áa supposed secret report which he is prepared to talk about to get himself in the media. áif it was so important why didn't he speak up before?

Tell you what disgusted me most Tanszi, was his rabid, atrocious behaviour on the radio programme after "Sarah" spoke about the Met going to PdL at peak holiday season. He sounded like a crazy person, screaming that "Sarah" should not be allowed to speak, but offering no valid reason as to why not. It reminded me of one of Hitler's speeches at the Nuremberg rallies. Basically he just did not want anyone criticising the McCanns on air, but instead of being calm and professional about it, he threw a major paddy. I can't believe that that was once a senior police officer, I've seen better behaviour in a kindergarten.

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Post  tanszi on Tue 2 Sep - 23:40

hiya iris, so like so many, can you imagine him as a boss. Yes Hitler, and we all know what happened to him, any bunkers near Jim. well he s committed professional suicide, imo.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  Chris on Wed 3 Sep - 11:12

At the time this highly secret report was being drafted was not JG fighting for the continued existence of a bigger and better, independent CEOP (under JG's leadership) rather than being brought under the auspices of a more organised, co-ordinated serious crime body. Being critical of other "conflicting" agencies, I am sure, had no self-serving interest.

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Post  wjk on Wed 3 Sep - 12:22

Chris wrote:At the time this highly secret report was being drafted was not JG fighting for the continued existence of a bigger and better, independent CEOP (under JG's leadership) rather than being brought under the auspices of a more organised, co-ordinated serious crime body. Being critical of other "conflicting" agencies, I am sure, had no self-serving interest.
Exactly Chris!

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  comperedna on Wed 3 Sep - 12:26

I think it was Theresa May who spiked his guns by moving CEOP into a broader serious crime framework. Someone on here who is a serving, or retired policeman, or otherwise concerned re this, will remember exactly what she did. She took away his private fiefdom anyway.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  almostgothic on Wed 3 Sep - 12:38

Well folks, one thing is for sure.

Whether he actually meant to do it or not ...

...... by insisting that the investigation was hampered by different UK police forces and agencies competing against one another, he has effectively shafted, screwed and completely stuffed the McCanns' Lisbon Lament that it was Mr Amaral's book that had caused said hampering.
According to JG the hampering had already been done way, way before that book came on the scene.

Now I doubt that this proclamation would have any serious effect on the damages trial at this late stage, but it would be rather pleasing to hear it in a defence lawyer's closing speech, wouldn't it?

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  LJC on Wed 3 Sep - 15:05

almostgothic wrote:Well folks, one thing is for sure.

Whether he actually meant to do it or not ...

...... by insisting that the investigation was hampered by different UK police forces and agencies competing against one another, he has effectively shafted, screwed and completely stuffed the McCanns' Lisbon Lament that it was Mr Amaral's book that had caused said hampering.
According to JG the hampering had already been done way, way before that book came on the scene.

Now I doubt that this proclamation would have any serious effect on the damages trial at this late stage, but it would be rather pleasing to hear it in a defence lawyer's closing speech, wouldn't it?

Hear hear!

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Post  Guest on Wed 3 Sep - 15:08

Oh yesssss. I do hope Dr Amaral's lovely lawyer is paying attention.

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Re: Sky news at 7pm

Post  kitti on Wed 3 Sep - 16:22

I think they call it...CHECK MATE!!

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