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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 4 Sep - 14:47

And this is exactly what I meant:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/content/press-should-have-been-more-questioning-establishment-outset-ashya-king-story

Press should have been more questioning of Establishment at the outset of Ashya King story

Nobody wants anything but the best for Ashya King - but, my goodness, everybody seems to have conspired to bring about the worst.

This five-year-old boy with a brain tumour found himself in hospital in Malaga, separated by 300 miles from his parents who were held  in custody in Madrid after being arrested on a warrant some vague "cruelty" or "neglect" ground that even now has yet to be explained fully.

Setting aside for a moment the rights and wrongs of the police handling of this case, the national newspaper coverage has been a classic example of believing the last person you spoke to. That has led some to perform a 180-degree turn in the space of 72 hours. It's amazing how the odd fact thrown into or tossed out of the mix can change the flavour of the pudding.
On Saturday morning most papers reported the urgent search for Ashya, who had been "snatched", "abducted" or at the very least "removed without doctors' consent" by his parents from Southampton General Hospital and could die within hours if not found. The parents (pictured above: Reuters), what is more, had "fled abroad".

And in case there was any doubt about who was at fault here, we were generally told within the first five pars that the parents were Jehovah's Witnesses. Would we be expected to have been told if they were members of the United Reformed Church or Rastafarians?

The hospital and police may argue that the information was released because the family was known to be devout and might make their way to a Kingdom Hall. Well, let them argue that all they want. The hospital knew exactly where they were going and why. We were told that they were Jehovah's Witnesses to provoke one reaction - which it duly did:



The hospital and the police were busy covering their backsides from the word go. The boy and his mother had been gone from the ward for more than six hours before anyone thought there was anything untoward and, after finding the boy, the top priority was to put the parents in the wrong.

A few papers paused to ask whether it was an offence for a parent to take a child from hospital without doctors' approval. We know that you can be sectioned for mental health issues where you might be a danger to yourself or others. But can you be imprisoned in hospital with an acute medical condition?

If you are dissatisfied with the treatment your child is receiving, do you not have the right to remove him or her?

None of these questions was pursued thoroughly on day one, because we as journalists were caught up in the human story and accepted the Southampton doctors' opinion on the medical side of things.
Over the weekend the powers-that-be went into overdrive with ward of court orders, arrest warrants and dire warnings about what would happen to the little boy if he were not returned immediately to Southampton.
Fortunately, however, if journalists weren't quick enough to ask the right questions, the extended King family turned out to be dab hands at PR and warm and articulate with it. We began to see a wider picture. The parents had asked for a specific treatment and told they couldn't have it. It wasn't suitable. Reading between the lines, there had been a growing friction between the family and the hospital - the Kings wanted to take the boy somewhere that would offer the treatment they desired, the hospital started talking about protection orders.

Just what you need to hear when you're desperate to do anything to save your son: "He's going to die, just accept it. And if you don't we'll take away your parental rights."

OK, of course the hospital didn't say that (I hope), but that was the message. The arrogance of it. We know best and you have no choice. And when the family decided they did have a choice and they intended to exercise it, the full force of the Establishment was brought out against them.


The hospital knew very well that the family knew how to operate the feeding machine that has been at the centre of the hunt. The hospital knew very well where the family were heading - the Czech clinic had sent it papers last month, seeking medical background so that it could take over Ashya's care. The hospital knew that Brett King had a property business based in Malaga. There was no mystery here.

There was certainly a concern about Ashya's well-being, but why parade the Jehovah's Witness red herring when there was much more useful information that could have been released?
In the absence of that information, the papers went hard on the religion angle, albeit generally with the caveat "their motive is unclear..." - when, as we now know, it was clear right from the start.

How much do most of us know about the Jehovah's Witnesses' view on medical treatment? That they refuse blood transfusions. But this little boy had had surgery. The Witnesses helped with this statement:

There is absolutely no indication that their decision is in any way motivated by any religious convictions. Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to seek the best medical treatment for themselves and their children

By Tuesday, references to the family's religious beliefs had all but disappeared from the press coverage. The pack had new quarry: the police. Everyone's sympathy was now with the parents who were the villains three days ago.

Since Sunday, the papers had been raising questions about the legal aspects of the case, explaining what Ashya's condition is and looking into the treatment that his family is seeking. There was now universal outrage that this sick young lad was being separated from his parents and at the way the couple had been manhandled. The columnists and leader writers were in full cry. People were signing petitions on change.org. The Prime Minister had his say.

And so the outcry finally led the release of the Kings and a reunion with their son. Jeremy Hunt is flying a cancer specialist to Malaga to offer the family advice. Southampton has sent through the documents the Czech clinic required and Ashya will be able to have the Proton treatment the family requested after a couple of courses of chemotherapy. A doctor at Southampton is now saying that Ashya has a “very very good chance of survival if he receives rapid treatment”.

If the Kings get the outcome they desire, we'll have played our part.

But it would have been even better if a few questions beyond the family's faith had been put and answered at the outset.

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Post  Guest on Thu 4 Sep - 16:01

a classic case of what happens when you have the nerve to defy a government agency. and as for jeremy hunt, has a politition ever been so aptly named?

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Post  Panda on Thu 4 Sep - 16:07

Can you move these to the Ashya thread Claudia, I was just going to post about China.



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Re: China accused of Muslim massacre

Post  Claudia79 on Thu 4 Sep - 16:29

Panda wrote:Can you move these to the Ashya thread Claudia,  I was just going to post about China.  



Post away, Panda. I won't move it simply because it was related to the conversation Fuzeta and I were having before in this thread.

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 4 Sep - 16:30

Marky wrote:a classic case of what happens when you have the nerve to defy a government agency. and as for jeremy hunt, has a politition ever been so aptly named?

And a classic case of jumping to conclusions for the wrong reasons and of swallowing everything the press prints instead of using their own brains.

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Post  Guest on Thu 4 Sep - 16:31

Claudia79 wrote:
Panda wrote:Can you move these to the Ashya thread Claudia,  I was just going to post about China.  



Post away, Panda. I won't move it simply because it was related to the conversation Fuzeta and I were having before in this thread.

which from what i can see is relative to the thread.

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Chinese planned terror attacks on the rise

Post  Panda on Thu 4 Sep - 17:04

http://news.sky.com/story/1328639/china-planned-terror-attacks-on-the-rise

China is ruthless when it comes to stamping on any dissent and while the Middle East is in turmoil and the situation getting worse China is doing well .....who said "the yellow race will rule the World"?


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Post  Angelina on Thu 4 Sep - 17:20

Panda wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1328639/china-planned-terror-attacks-on-the-rise

China is ruthless when it comes to stamping on any dissent and while the Middle East is in turmoil  and the situation getting worse China is doing well .....who said "the yellow race will rule the World"?



Think one of the interpretations from Nostradumus' work said that!

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Post  Panda on Thu 4 Sep - 18:08

Angelina wrote:
Panda wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1328639/china-planned-terror-attacks-on-the-rise

China is ruthless when it comes to stamping on any dissent and while the Middle East is in turmoil  and the situation getting worse China is doing well .....who said "the yellow race will rule the World"?



Think one of the interpretations from Nostradumus' work said that!

Thanks Angelina ......China,for such a huge Country is modernising in leaps and bounds with high speed trains ,Aircraft manufacture , exports etc. Of course one child families is the downside, as is the rod of iron the Government rules with. The U.S. is deeply in debt to China and a couple of years ago the U.S. Government signed an arrangement with China that if they reneged on the debt the Chinese could come in and take what they wanted. Walmart , HSBC etc....true, AnnaEsse has the details.

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