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Post  Badboy Wed 15 Apr - 23:35

LIB DEMS HAVE PROMISED INCREASED SPENDING ON EDUCATION AND HEALTH.
EXTRA 8BILLION ON HEALTH,NOT SURE ON EDUCATION.
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Post  katertaif Thu 16 Apr - 9:50

Badboy wrote:LIB DEMS HAVE PROMISED INCREASED SPENDING ON EDUCATION AND HEALTH.
EXTRA 8BILLION ON HEALTH,NOT SURE ON EDUCATION.

Good morning old son

The last time the Liberals were in power alone,  and then a period in coalition was a century ago, They were then steadily reduced in numbers to the low point of 6 MP's in the 1950's, Since then they have specialised in lavish promises. Secure in the knowledge that they would never ever be called upon to keep any of them. Gradually as the first hand memory of the disaster they caused faded, they have had a long road to recovery

Finally they got their chance and went into coalition with the Conservatives in 2010. They also had talks with Labour and the possibility of partnering them. All things to all people. They messed up as well on promises, notably over university fees, and are now doing what they seem to do best. Whatever good the last government did was down to the Lib. Dems. Unpopular decisions being the fault of the tories. Even a quick look shows that to be impossible. they couldn't have been a) strong enough to force the good things through against the more numerous tories while b) being too weak to stop them doing what was badly done/unpopular.

However the election goes on May 7th. it looks as if the Lib. Dems are just back to their normal. We will give you this this and this and abolish that and that and that and it will be a life of great beauty. Just vote for us, and you'll see.


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Post  Angelina Thu 16 Apr - 18:56

According to a recently delivered leaflet from the Green Party, they are going to cut rail fares by 10% and increase Gvt spending on the railways........by returning them to public ownership. No change there then - Page 2 29204 Not quite sure how they think that would work.

Unfortunately, I'm plenty old enough to remember the shambolic mess it all was before the sell off, the continual strikes by railway workers, etc etc. No change there then - Page 2 371436

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Post  katertaif Fri 17 Apr - 0:53

Angelina wrote:According to a recently delivered leaflet from the Green Party, they are going to cut rail fares by 10% and increase Gvt spending on the railways........by returning them to public ownership.        No change there then - Page 2 29204   Not quite sure how they think that would work.

Unfortunately, I'm plenty old enough to remember the shambolic mess it all was before the sell off, the continual strikes by railway workers, etc etc.   No change there then - Page 2 371436


Watching the so called multi party debate this evening Angelina, I was struck by one basic truth. the utter contempt in which the ruling political class holds us. We are quite obviously (as they see it) far too stupid to see through the lies, and hypocrisy. I was in addition struck by the quite obvious partisan audience gathered together by the BBC. It has always been the same with them

We are counters, pawns to be moved around on a political board no more than. Re-nationalisation of the railways in this day and age would barely inconvenience our political masters at best, it sounds good though you must admit. that it didn't work then, and wouldn't work now, is irrelevant. If it's worth votes. we'll say it. They can safely discount people such as yourself who will think about and examine such vote catchers. That is why I believe Cameron wasn't there. he took advice from his "spin" doctors. was advised he would lose votes either way but non appearance would cost him fewer votes than being there. In this case let Farage take the kicking.


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In my innocence I always thought it was our votes who decided the government. it seems they do, by manipulating us.
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Post  joyce1938 Fri 17 Apr - 10:49

Binkin heck ,I too watched a programn late and it was horrible ,one against another ,where do you find truth in al that shambles eh ? I wanted to put tape over their mouthes most of the time . This in of those times you might feel like voting. for no one joyce1938 too disgusted to even write more
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Post  Angelina Fri 17 Apr - 12:35

I watched it and thought it was nowhere near as interesting as the last one. I can't believe I actually thought Milliband was the best one there No change there then - Page 2 36898

Leanne Wood actually wants to undo the laws put in place by Thatcher over strikes.

So, we've got one party wanting to re-nationalise the railways and another wanting the strike laws repealed....put the 2 of them together and we go backwards by at least 30 years...disaster!

And they have the cheek to say Cameron's policies are putting us back 30 years. Stones and glasshouses come to mind!

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Post  fuzeta Fri 17 Apr - 19:36

Angelina wrote:I watched it and thought it was nowhere near as interesting as the last one.     I can't believe I actually thought Milliband was the best one there No change there then - Page 2 36898

Leanne Wood actually wants to undo the laws put in place by Thatcher over strikes.

So, we've got one party wanting to re-nationalise the railways and another wanting the strike laws repealed....put the 2 of them together and we go backwards by at least 30 years...disaster!

And they have the cheek to say Cameron's policies are putting us back 30 years.    Stones and glasshouses come to mind!


Well I have to agree with you Angelina that Miliband did come across as the best one there, if you believed everything he said and did not look between the lines and lets face it he was not really very pressed. Leanne Wood as you say wants to go back thirty years and has so far not come up with how the economy can survive with these measures.

The awful grating voice of Natalie Bennett was an assault on the ears and to make it worse came up with the most ridiculous policies I have ever heard. I wonder if Australia would like her back? I doubt it.

Then the horrible aggressive manner of Nicola Sturgeon who is interested in three things only, Scotland, another referendum for them and screwing England for as much as she can get out of us.

Nigel Farage to me was the best because he wrapped nothing up and laid what he believed right on the line (agree with him or not) Of course the others had to have their moments of absolute disgust, it is expected of them and they don't fail. He alienated the partisan audience but he expected that, he was talking to the viewers not them.

The BBC never fail to round up the audience to suit them. Despite David Dimbleby's protestations that they were random. They were about as random as the audiences he has on 'Question time
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Post  joyce1938 Fri 17 Apr - 21:34

Well said fuzeta,i agree too with what we are discussing right now .The best I can come up with ,with what we can read between the lines ,so much talk and sticky tape for the mouths were in order,my head was aching with one talking over the other. If we really have done better than most of Europe over last few years monitory wise, I cant see any of the others can be any better as their ideas are all so different to one another. Will they ever speak truth at these times ?joyce1938
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Post  fuzeta Fri 17 Apr - 21:45

" If we really have done better than most of Europe over last few years monitory wise, I cant see any of the others can be any better as their ideas are all so different to one another"

That just about sums it up Joyce No change there then - Page 2 307691


"Will they ever speak truth at these times ?joyce1938 "

I doubt it Joyce
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Post  katertaif Fri 17 Apr - 22:48

joyce1938 wrote:Binkin heck ,I too watched a programn late and it was horrible ,one against another ,where do you find truth in al that shambles eh ?  I wanted to put tape over  their mouthes most of the time .  This in of those times you might feel like voting. for no one  joyce1938  too disgusted to even write more

Good evening Joyce.

Find truth in any sort of political programme? The whole object is to lie so as to convince yourself let alone the audience. It could have been a good programme, even an excellent one. Modern politics has descended  into a sort of childish feud in which all sides make extravagant claims and shout yes you did.no I didn't and yah boo sucks to you at each other. If you can in addition claim that your big brother is bigger than his big brother and if he crosses that line he'll find out; the argument is complete.

They are throwing figures around at each other (and us) like confetti at a wedding. Not one in ten of us understands these figures which isn't surprising since they don't understand them themselves. What we do understand is that under the old style of politics which unfortunately is still with us. what they say now, and what they promise now will all be forgotten after the election whoever wins.

Have you ever noticed the one thing that all member of all parties used to agree on? when it came  to a rise in pay for MP's. they debated the subject agreed the figure and voted themselves that increase. Now of course it is supposed to be decided by an independent body when even the MP's realised they just couldn't go on awarding themselves more money. The body is about is independent as we are on our kidney function and works on the old boy system of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.


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Post  joyce1938 Sat 18 Apr - 12:43

thanks for engagement both of you rare to get a reply on any forum I have tried ,well only one other,dont know why ,butthey cleared a few if us out and no reason given. Oh well we can live with that we are all grownups ,haha I thinkyes it seems just as I have thought for long time ,they think the more noise they make ,the more we might be convinced ,afraid not ,we are all getting a bit more Savvy now in all this . rgards to all joyce1938.
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Post  katertaif Sat 18 Apr - 22:12

joyce1938 wrote: thanks for engagement both of you rare to get a reply on any forum I have   tried ,well only one other,dont know why ,butthey cleared a few if us out and no reason given. Oh well we can live with that we are all grownups ,haha I thinkyes  it seems just as I have thought for long time ,they think the more noise they make ,the more we might be convinced ,afraid not ,we are all getting a bit more Savvy now in all this . rgards to all joyce1938.

Good evening Joyce

Nice to have another poster on  with something to say with a little thought behind it.in British politics  today have in my opinion descended into an abysmal pit. Gone are the days when someone entered politics to make a difference for the good of the country. They made mistakes of course they did, sometimes catastrophic mistakes, but they did it for the right reasons. The good of the country was first and foremost tour politicians, regardless oft he colour of rosette they wore.  

Now they enter politics for the good of themselves. examples are all around us. Just take two. A couple of weeks ago now, jack Straw let it slip that he can charge up to £10,000 for a speech. Now quite apart from he would need to pay me to listen to him that is just too much. It is relying on his relatively senior position in the House of Commons. no more, and no less. Straw is a labour politician of course and I have never voted socialist in my life. So what about Grant Shapps, and indeed for the matter of that Jeffrey Archer. sent to prison for insider dealing (quite rightly so) he has made millions out of the deal. hardly justice.

Then we have the scam that the new regulations were brought in, themselves because certain MP's (quite a lot) couldn't keep their hands out of the till. They have found a a way round it. Rent you're  home to another MP. the taxpayer picks up the tab, while  the MP concerned is also renting his home to another MP and the taxpayer picks up the tab. Then when they come to sell they get an enhanced price (Home of ex MP/Cabinet Minister/Lord/fill in the blanks).

On top of everything else they have had a cosy little set up for far too long. As voters we have had little or no choice. Politics in Britain is confrontational whatever the government of the day do is wrong. Too little, too late. is the permanent cry. then we vote the tories in, and the same thing happens, too little too late is the cry, or in the case of the cuts too much too soon and they dismantle as much of the last governments work as they can, and the cycle just repeats itself ad nauseam. This style of politics have ruined a once proud country.

On the 7th May we have a heaven sent opportunity to end the cosy little system by which we are effectively offered no choice. it won't come round again. At the least we owe it to ourselves whatever political leaning we have to break the cosy cycle of subsidised bars and restaurants and introduce some serious politics into  Westminster. At the least to force them to be honest for a change. That is why I will be voting UKIP on the day.


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