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Post  katertaif on Tue 1 Sep - 8:32

Foreign aid is and probably always will be a contentious subject. The unfortunate fact is that well meant as the money may be, much of it is diverted straight into corrupt pockets. Some of it is ludicrous. The Indian government fairly recently told Cameron bluntly that India neither wants nor needs our money. We begged them to let us continue giving it. That is idiotic I think most people would agree. the recent events in Pakistan have reached a new low. Apart from any other consideration, Pakistan does not buy arms from us, they are negotiating even now with the Russians for some of the latest Russian fighter aircraft. It could be said that we are subsidising that. Not to mention their development of nuclear weapons and ICBM's or their space programme. Some of the foreign aid we supply is indirectly funding things we can ourselves no longer afford.

This Pakistani court case however is breath taking in it's sheer barbarity. The sort of thing we have comes to expect from the Islamic State, not a country we are giving money to. A man runs off with a married woman. Well that sort of thing happens every day in the west. What doesn't happen in the west is that his sisters. are sentenced to be gang raped for it. Why? did they encourage him? did one tell him the train timetable, what? Whatever these girls may have done, and one of them is barely 15 that cannot in any way be described as justice. Why are we supporting a regime who can do that? the sentence may be rescinded as well it should be, that does not excuse the court who passed it. Nor does it excuse us, if we continue to support such depravity.

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  fuzeta on Tue 1 Sep - 20:14

I don't know why we continue it katertaif. If we want to give aid surely we can find a way of getting it to the people it is meant for. There is absolutely no point of giving it to the powers of these countries as it never finds the way to where it is meant.

The best way is in setting up projects where the people need it. I know there are many already being done by people willing to go and make them work. The problem these days is that many countries have become so unsafe that the people that go to implement them have become in danger. I know that there has always been an element of risk but now it is so much worse. I so admire people that do this work and I think it is the only way to improve the lot of people in dire need. The corrupt governments of these countries are not going to bother no matter how much money we throw at them. They take us for fools

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  katertaif on Wed 2 Sep - 9:55

fuzeta wrote:I don't know why we continue it katertaif.  If we want to give aid surely we can find a way of getting it to the people it is meant for.  There is absolutely no point of giving it to the powers of these countries as it never finds the way to where it is meant.

The best way is in setting up projects where the people need it. I know there are many already being done by people willing to go and make them work.   The problem these days is that many countries have become so unsafe that the people that go to implement them have become in danger.   I know that there has always been an element of risk but now it is so much worse.  I so admire people that do this work and I think it is the only way to improve the lot of people in dire need. The corrupt governments of these countries are not going to bother no matter how much money we throw at them.  They take us for fools

Absolutely Fuzeta. Apart from the danger that some aid workers are continuing to work in, and as you say they can only be admired for doing it, in some countries, the money is going into a bottomless pit. The lot of the ordinary citizens of several African countries has not improved one iota. All we have to show for it now is a mass exodus of people wanting to get away from it, and reach the comparative luxury they see us as living in.

A lot of the money given is siphoned off, as you say, much of it by the regimes themselves in terms of slapping taxes on all aid. What it comes down to in the end is stop all aid, or continue providing it no matter what the cost. That is a decision requiring the wisdom of Solomon.

My question is what happened to the OAU (organisation of African Unity) They were created purely to deal with the unending wars. Amicably if possible, by a coalition of armed forces if necessary. Yet no one ever hears of them. What are they doing about any of this?


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Re: Foreign aid

Post  Angelina on Wed 2 Sep - 17:35

katertaif wrote:
fuzeta wrote:I don't know why we continue it katertaif.  If we want to give aid surely we can find a way of getting it to the people it is meant for.  There is absolutely no point of giving it to the powers of these countries as it never finds the way to where it is meant.

The best way is in setting up projects where the people need it. I know there are many already being done by people willing to go and make them work.   The problem these days is that many countries have become so unsafe that the people that go to implement them have become in danger.   I know that there has always been an element of risk but now it is so much worse.  I so admire people that do this work and I think it is the only way to improve the lot of people in dire need. The corrupt governments of these countries are not going to bother no matter how much money we throw at them.  They take us for fools

Absolutely Fuzeta. Apart from the danger that some aid workers are continuing to work in, and as you say they can only be admired for doing it, in some countries, the money is going into a bottomless pit. The lot of the ordinary citizens of several African countries has not improved one iota. All we have to show for it now is a mass exodus of people wanting to get away from it, and reach the comparative luxury they see us as living in.

A lot of the money given is siphoned off, as you say, much of it by the regimes themselves in terms of slapping taxes on all aid. What it comes down to in the end is stop all aid, or continue providing it no matter what the cost. That is a decision requiring the wisdom of Solomon.

My question is what happened to the OAU (organisation of African Unity) They were created purely to deal with the unending wars. Amicably if possible, by a coalition of armed forces if necessary. Yet no one ever hears of them. What are they doing about any of this?


Obviously about as effective as Tony Blair was as Middle East Envoy...or whatever his title was

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  Badboy on Wed 2 Sep - 20:09

MIDDLE EAST PEACE ENVOY?

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  katertaif on Wed 2 Sep - 22:09

Angelina wrote:
katertaif wrote:
fuzeta wrote:I don't know why we continue it katertaif.  If we want to give aid surely we can find a way of getting it to the people it is meant for.  There is absolutely no point of giving it to the powers of these countries as it never finds the way to where it is meant.

The best way is in setting up projects where the people need it. I know there are many already being done by people willing to go and make them work.   The problem these days is that many countries have become so unsafe that the people that go to implement them have become in danger.   I know that there has always been an element of risk but now it is so much worse.  I so admire people that do this work and I think it is the only way to improve the lot of people in dire need. The corrupt governments of these countries are not going to bother no matter how much money we throw at them.  They take us for fools

Absolutely Fuzeta. Apart from the danger that some aid workers are continuing to work in, and as you say they can only be admired for doing it, in some countries, the money is going into a bottomless pit. The lot of the ordinary citizens of several African countries has not improved one iota. All we have to show for it now is a mass exodus of people wanting to get away from it, and reach the comparative luxury they see us as living in.

A lot of the money given is siphoned off, as you say, much of it by the regimes themselves in terms of slapping taxes on all aid. What it comes down to in the end is stop all aid, or continue providing it no matter what the cost. That is a decision requiring the wisdom of Solomon.

My question is what happened to the OAU (organisation of African Unity) They were created purely to deal with the unending wars. Amicably if possible, by a coalition of armed forces if necessary. Yet no one ever hears of them. What are they doing about any of this?


Obviously about as effective as Tony Blair was as Middle East Envoy...or whatever his title was

The main question Angelina was did Blair, or even does he now know where the Middle East is? he did precious little peace envoying that anyone could see. Of course he claimed the job had no money attached per se, but I have no doubt that the contacts and deals he made more than made up for that. For what it's worth, I believe Bush acted out of conviction while Blair acted out of self interest. he certainly made a mint out of his US tours and after dinner speeches. I believe some tickets changed hands for obscene amounts of $. with him getting a good share of the take. The fact remains he lied to parliament. Bush didn't lie to anyone. he may have acted hastily under pressure to do so but I think he was honest enough.

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  kitti on Sat 12 Sep - 16:49

The government don't mind giving away 100m to Syria but turn a blind eye to children dying In Hospital from cancer in front off their parents eyes due to lack off funds and people suffering whilst in A & E for 13 hours only to be met by a foreign doctor who can't speak English and when you have to say 'pardon' three times because you don't understand him he then presents you, without even looking at you, with a piece off paper and tells you to wait outside .



There is no future for our children, I'm glad I won't be hear to see the world Implode due to do gooders who tell us to 'accept with open arms' .


Stupid march in London today all fall off stroppy students who have never paid a f....g penny In in tax or insurance and probably
Won't even pay their student loan back.....never saw any off those marching for Baby Peter whose back was broken and had his teeth knocked down his throat...oh I forgot, the march was in Decemeber, it was bitterly cold and wet, nice day to march to day as it's sunny and Corbyn can piss off too talking about refugees, got on the bandwagon like the Pratt Cumberbach...why don't they start opening their hearts for chiddren in this country ..first...and guess who's paying the MET to cover this march today ?


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Post  kitti on Sat 12 Sep - 16:51

And I'm not even going back to edit for mistakes either as I'm that mad and so were my fingers!

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Re: Foreign aid

Post  katertaif on Mon 14 Sep - 17:03

kitti wrote:And I'm not even going back to edit for mistakes either as I'm that mad and so were my fingers!

I can only agree with you kitti. there is another catastrophe in the making thanks to the "do gooders" Their hearts are in the right place, but compassion will not solve this one. it will simply transfer it. Like you, I will not see it, but my children might, and my grandchildren certainly will. Who will there be to solve that one?



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