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Post  pm on Sun 19 Apr - 21:17

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Kate tried suicide

she is depress and she is not even speak with the twins

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Post  Guest on Sun 19 Apr - 22:04

pm wrote:front page says:

Kate tried suicide

she is depress and she is not even speak with the twins

Are you sure?

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Post  Guest on Sun 19 Apr - 22:46

pm wrote:front page says:

Kate tried suicide

she is depress and she is not even speak with the twins

I've just been trying to find something on it Paula. Do you have a link to the paper?

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Post  Guest on Sun 19 Apr - 23:05

SharonS wrote:
pm wrote:front page says:

Kate tried suicide

she is depress and she is not even speak with the twins

I've just been trying to find something on it Paula. Do you have a link to the paper?

edit.

I found this on the 3A's

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=31035&start=15&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=lux+magazine

and here

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=30837&start=0

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Post  Guest on Sun 19 Apr - 23:11

OK guys here is the translation of the Lux article (many thanks to MISSMCFEE).
Posted in this thread instead of the original one as requested by admin.

Thanks to admin for the link to Mercedes blog:

http://mercedessigueaqui.blogspot.com/2009/04/caso-madeleine-mccann-madre-de-maddie_17.html



Madeleine McCann case - Maddie's mother away from the eyes of the public since Summer 2008
LUX - Printed edition

Rumours grow that Kate McCann would have tried to commit suicide

"She is very depressed, isolated and doesn't even talk to the twins"
Paulo Sargento, psychologist

On May 3rd it will be 2 years since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, where the British girl was on vacation with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and her siblings, twins Sean and Amelie. Almost two years later, even after the Public Prosecutor shelved the case for lack of evidence, the mystery is still alive. Abduction or crime? Dead or alive? According to the parents, there is no doubt: Maddie was abducted from the tourist complex Ocean Club in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, while sleeping in the company of her siblings. According to Gonçalo Amaral, former Inspector of the Judicial Police who led the first investigations after the disappearance, there is no doubt either: Maddie died in apartment 5A, the victim of an accident and the parents hid the body. He told so in the book "The Truth of the Lie" and he showed it in the documentary with the same name produced by TVI, on April 13. On the interest that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then 3 years old, still generates in the public opinion in Portugal and around the world, the audiences of the program speak for themselves. "The Truth of the Lie" was seen by two million nine hundred thousand viewers. On the internet there are over 850 thousand references to the English girl.

Judging by the reactions to the documentary by TVI, which again raise the suspicion of direct involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance of their daughter, a new question arises. What happened to Kate McCann? Since July 2008, when she was photographed in front of her home in Rothley, Leicester, England, Maddie's mother has not been seen in public. In an interview for Lux, psychologist Paulo Sargento says he has information that Kate McCann is mentally ill and would even have attempted suicide. "This is an unconfirmed report that a friend and I received from England about three months ago. It comes from an English source, independent, close to the investigation but not close to McCanns", said Paulo Sargento. "Not knowing for certain if this happened or not, the truth is that there is a high probability of occurrence. It is a statistical figure. Mothers who lose a child will, in a large percentage, attempt or commit suicide. It is a statistical and clinical fact. I will not say whether Kate has done it or not, but yes I have received that information. I have received it and, will not deny, it is in agreement with other information that came from the family, who say that Kate is very depressed, and spends long hours alone and doesn’t talk to the twins ... This is more or less public, said the psychologist, who advocates the theory of accidental death and concealment of the body. In addition, late last year, Susan Healy, mother of Kate McCann, has revealed her misgivings about the health of her daughter: "I do not know how long she will endure this. I do not know how a human being can endure so much pressure. Sean and Amelie need their mother. But I'm afraid, very afraid. I do not know how to deal with this." Contacted by Lux, Clarence Mitchell, advisor to the McCann couple, vehemently denied the rumour that Maddie's mother allegedly tried to commit suicide: "Kate is okay. That is absolute nonsense. She has never done this or will do, because she believes her daughter is alive and if she did, she wouldn’t see her ever again" he said, outraged with the news. Rogério Alves, a lawyer for Kate and Gerry McCann in Portugal, chose not to make any comment on the health of Maddie’s mother.

Kate McCann found on the "Find Madeleine" website a way to continue to express her pain: "With the arrival of the second anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine, there is still much to be done. We continue to focus on our objective to find Madeleine and bring her safely home. As parents, we can not and will not ever stop doing everything we can to find her." At the same site, Kate had already confessed: "As a mother of an abducted girl, I can say it is the most painful and agonizing experience that can be imagined. My thoughts on the fear, confusion and loss of love and security that my precious daughter has to suffer are unbearable. It is appalling.”

During next week, Kate and Gerry McCann are expected at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Washington, United States, where they will be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey. "I believe that Kate is going to the program with great difficulty and sacrifice, just to perpetuate the idea that the couple are still close, that she is unwell but recovering and will not give up the search for her daughter. It is my belief that this will be done solely for a question of image and will bring great emotional sacrifices to Kate" confessed the psychologist Paulo Sargento. The interview will be broadcast in the United States on the weekend of the second anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine who, in the next day May 12, would or will be 6 years old.


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Post  lynn on Mon 20 Apr - 0:12

Kate seemed under duress when interviewed by the sea in 2007. Her voice was odd. It could be that she dare not "talk" for fear of her life! What she may know could solve Madeleine's disappearance. She could be the one to break the chain link, so to speak. There is police protection afforded should information endanger a person's life. Or, it could be just another publicity stunt run by the McCann's camp. Don't think too many people will buy the depression/suicide report.

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 7:32

Such conflicting reports on the state on Kates health, is it any wonder this case feeds on spin and rumours? At the same time as this report, we have reports that Kate is reluctant to go to the USA for the Oprah show because she has built up such a close bond with the twins, spends all her time with them and is reluctant to be parted from them. Threads on the 3As, pages long, devoted to this topic. Why not take the twins with her? Kate has said the journey is too long, yet the family flew to Canada, a longer journey last year, for a holiday. Is this Kates getout ticket from the show if she feels she might be asked difficult questions by Oprah? On Oprahs website, 644 comments have been submitted, most of them critical of the McCanns. Has Kate seen these and now wants out? Are Kate and Gerry still living together? There are reports that Gerry is now using the hospital as his address, and so the speculation goes on and on.

All I can say is that we had similar reports about Kate prior to the Brussels trip. According to her mother and various "sources close to the family", Kate was living like a recluse, spending hours in Madeleines bedroom, depressed and hallucinating, a shadow of her former self etc. etc., but what happened? Kate emerged for the journey to Brussels, smiling and relaxed. New hairdo, new wardrobe, if anything she looked as though she had put on weight not lost it. She wielded her luggage onto the train with ease and more than held her own at the press conference, so what to make of it all?

Personally, I have grown exasperated with Kate and Gerry McCann. They could end all this grotesque speculation and just start searching for their daughter, if they felt she was "out there and findable". If they are not interested in doing that, then as far as I am concerned they can get on with whatever headline grabbing activities they care to pursue, and I will carry on trawling the internet and doing whatever I can to find out what really did happen to little Madeleine.

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 7:36

justagrannynow wrote:Such conflicting reports on the state on Kates health, is it any wonder this case feeds on spin and rumours? At the same time as this report, we have reports that Kate is reluctant to go to the USA for the Oprah show because she has built up such a close bond with the twins, spends all her time with them and is reluctant to be parted from them. Threads on the 3As, pages long, devoted to this topic. Why not take the twins with her? Kate has said the journey is too long, yet the family flew to Canada, a longer journey last year, for a holiday. Is this Kates getout ticket from the show if she feels she might be asked difficult questions by Oprah? On Oprahs website, 644 comments have been submitted, most of them critical of the McCanns. Has Kate seen these and now wants out? Are Kate and Gerry still living together? There are reports that Gerry is now using the hospital as his address, and so the speculation goes on and on.

All I can say is that we had similar reports about Kate prior to the Brussels trip. According to her mother and various "sources close to the family", Kate was living like a recluse, spending hours in Madeleines bedroom, depressed and hallucinating, a shadow of her former self etc. etc., but what happened? Kate emerged for the journey to Brussels, smiling and relaxed. New hairdo, new wardrobe, if anything she looked as though she had put on weight not lost it. She wielded her luggage onto the train with ease and more than held her own at the press conference, so what to make of it all?

Personally, I have grown exasperated with Kate and Gerry McCann. They could end all this grotesque speculation and just start searching for their daughter, if they felt she was "out there and findable". If they are not interested in doing that, then as far as I am concerned they can get on with whatever headline grabbing activities they care to pursue, and I will carry on trawling the internet and doing whatever I can to find out what really did happen to little Madeleine.


Excellently put Granny. I think itsd all part of the Kate & Gerry show to get more pity.

I dont care 2 hoots about Kate or her depression. What about Madeleine left alone each night on holiday just before she disappeared off the face of the earth? I'll save my pity for their child.

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Post  Krisy22 on Mon 20 Apr - 7:39

Wonder if this news of Kate being ill is paving the way for her to opt out of meeting Oprah.

I don`t think they will be able to run the show and call all the shots with her. Bet Gerry goes though.

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Post  lynn on Mon 20 Apr - 8:34

If Kate had been suicidal, she would have had someone with her like her mother and wouldn't be running around the country like she and Gerry have been, and also planning other trips. Just more spin!

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 9:37

Krisy22 wrote:Wonder if this news of Kate being ill is paving the way for her to opt out of meeting Oprah.

I don`t think they will be able to run the show and call all the shots with her. Bet Gerry goes though.


Gerry will go for sure. He loves the limelight. If Kate doesnt go then he'll use it on the show to get sympathy. If she does go then its because he's in charge and as you say calls the shots however wasnt she too ill to go to Portugal for a recon? A longer flight wont be a problem though if Gerry tell her to go then she will.

Maybe they've separated

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 10:36

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19 April 2009
KATE McCANN'S AGONY AT LEAVING TWINS FOR OPRAH
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Kate McCann is in torment as she prepares to fly to America for a TV show - without her twins.

Kate and husband Gerry jet out next week to talk about their missing daughter Maddie with chat show queen Oprah Winfrey.

But Kate is said to be so upset at having to leave four-year-olds Sean and Amelie she has been on the brink of pulling out. A close friend revealed: "Kate was in turmoil. She's been with the twins almost constantly. They have a very special relationship.


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"She thought about taking them with her but the children would have faced a long flight and a six-hour time difference. It would be too tiring for them and too disruptive to their normal routine." Instead, the twins will stay at home in Rothley, Leics, in the care of relatives until the parents' expected return on Sunday.


The pal added: "Kate definitely needed a lot of persuading to make this trip. But this is a global platform to remind the world their daughter is still out there somewhere."


The one-hour special with Oprah in Chicago will be screened to mark the second anniversary of Maddie's disappearance from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.


Doctors Kate and Gerry, both 40, who will also visit a missing people's charity in Washington, plan to unveil computergenerated images of how Maddie might look now, aged almost six.


The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell confirmed: "They do not want to be away from the twins for too long."


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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 11:02

As far as I know Canada is a long flight too and she managed to take them there. What a load of bullshit this couple talk

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Post  lynn on Mon 20 Apr - 11:33

fruitcake wrote:As far as I know Canada is a long flight too and she managed to take them there. What a load of bullshit this couple talk

If Kate has a depression and is suicidal, going on Oprah won't do her any good. Too much stress! Its a fairly long flight from Britain to America too, plus ground travel, could be 10 hours all up. Not the sort of stuff a suicidal person should be doing. Will the airlines take her!
There is nothing this couple won't stoop to do to fill their coffers.

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 13:15

lynn wrote:
fruitcake wrote:As far as I know Canada is a long flight too and she managed to take them there. What a load of bullshit this couple talk

If Kate has a depression and is suicidal, going on Oprah won't do her any good. Too much stress! Its a fairly long flight from Britain to America too, plus ground travel, could be 10 hours all up. Not the sort of stuff a suicidal person should be doing. Will the airlines take her!
There is nothing this couple won't stoop to do to fill their coffers.

I dont see how being in America is going to find Madeleine. Doesnt this tell you that its about the amount of money they will get paid by Oprah? Does to me.

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Post  Guest on Mon 20 Apr - 14:24

What it tells me Dogwood is that Team McCann have studied the reporting in Europe and North Africa and have realised that there is little sympathy for them, or belief in their stories. Photographs of innocent children have been blasted all over the newspapers and European families who wouldn't dream of socialising without their children, even babies in prams, are expected to understand their behaviour. Such polls as have been undertaken all show that the majority of people neither believe nor understand them, so really, they are pretty limited as to where they can go to perform their attempts at anguish and plead for money to carry on searching.

I recall during the summer of 2007, many reports came from the USA to the effect that the people there were very angry about the McCanns leaving these young children alone. The opinions of the American families seemed to be little different to the rest of the world, so, although the McCanns have now been largely forgotten in the USA, I do not think that necessarily means the folks there have changed their opinions of this couple. It will be interesting to see how the neglect issue is handled in the Oprah interview and what the publics reaction to them is when their memories are jogged.

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Post  Susan on Mon 20 Apr - 18:29

justagrannynow wrote:What it tells me Dogwood is that Team McCann have studied the reporting in Europe and North Africa and have realised that there is little sympathy for them, or belief in their stories. Photographs of innocent children have been blasted all over the newspapers and European families who wouldn't dream of socialising without their children, even babies in prams, are expected to understand their behaviour. Such polls as have been undertaken all show that the majority of people neither believe nor understand them, so really, they are pretty limited as to where they can go to perform their attempts at anguish and plead for money to carry on searching.

I recall during the summer of 2007, many reports came from the USA to the effect that the people there were very angry about the McCanns leaving these young children alone. The opinions of the American families seemed to be little different to the rest of the world, so, although the McCanns have now been largely forgotten in the USA, I do not think that necessarily means the folks there have changed their opinions of this couple. It will be interesting to see how the neglect issue is handled in the Oprah interview and what the publics reaction to them is when their memories are jogged.


I really dont believe the Americans (who are suspicious by nature) will look at these negligent twosome and have any sympathy whatsoever......

The case is very much like the Caylee Anthony case.....

The mother was negligent......
She lied from day one.....
DNA of the child was found in the car.....

No different from the McCanns was she? I hope that Oprah asks them a few questions when she has them there....and I hope Gerry wont say they are "boring" questions like he did in Brussels....besides he isnt a suspect anymore is he so he cant really turn around and say he cant answer her!


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Post  lynn on Mon 20 Apr - 22:40

AThere seems to be no talk of the McCanns going on the Dr Phil show. Dr Phil is a clinical psychologist and has other degrees and he can be pretty smart. He also has an investigative team (i.e. investigating cults) and it will be interesting to see if the McCanns accept an interview if it is offered!

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Post  Guest on Tue 21 Apr - 6:54

lynn wrote:AThere seems to be no talk of the McCanns going on the Dr Phil show. Dr Phil is a clinical psychologist and has other degrees and he can be pretty smart. He also has an investigative team (i.e. investigating cults) and it will be interesting to see if the McCanns accept an interview if it is offered!

This made me sit up and take notice !!! As a died in the wool "anti", I am accused by sites of equally died in the wool "pros" of belonging to a cult.

Do you think they will ask Dr. Phil to have a look at people like me???

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Post  lynn on Tue 21 Apr - 8:37

It is just that Dr Phil looks thoroughly into everything and seeing he has exposed to much in the past, including those cult type people who have been accused of kidnapping and all sorts of stuff, found to be true. There is no doubt that Dr Phil would look into the disappearance of Madeleine with as much velour as he has done other cases.

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Post  Guest on Tue 21 Apr - 21:25

IF Kate is suicidal then it is out of the guilt of what they have done.

Otherwise I don't buy the suicide story. She doesn't want to go to America because i think she feels they won't get a very good welcome.

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Post  FSoares on Tue 21 Apr - 21:48

Well, I believe Kate McCann will be welcome in America. I have a friend in Canada that always told me, both the US and the Canadian Press, have always been very supportive of the McCanns. The fact is that both Presses have relied merely on the Brit Press - probably due to the language factor. The result of it, is that the few programmes they have dedicated to the case, were always very supportive of the couple. Let's not forget by the 1st anniversary, CBS, on their show "20/20", did nothing but bullying PJ all the time. Firstly, they've invited a so supposed FBI expert to comment the case. That FBI expert following the lines of an ITV documentary with the help of the journalist during the show, did nothing than bashing the investigation, by claiming Police did not search for her, the parents were left alone, the crime-scene was not sealed, nobody warned borders, etc, etc. Ironically, this must have been one of the few Americans I've seen, that spoke about "borders" between Portugal and Spain. Let's not forget the biggest majority is still convinced Portugal is a Spanish province...

Anyway, Kate will fly the US, because, honestly, she knows it will be a "love affair" in Oprah. The information Oprah must have about the case, was obviously taken from the same "sources" CBS and other major TV channels in North America, took their information from.

But, I'm also convinced this appearance in Oprah has nothing to do with finding Madeleine and the new photos. It's more about their image, showing themselves to the world as the big victims of all times, in a "third world country".


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Post  Guest on Tue 21 Apr - 21:49

FSoares wrote:Well, I believe Kate McCann will be welcome in America. I have a friend in Canada that always told me, both the US and the Canadian Press, have always been very supportive of the McCanns. The fact is that both Presses have relied merely on the Brit Press - probably due to the language factor. The result of it, is that the few programmes they have dedicated to the case, were always very supportive of the couple. Let's not forget by the 1st anniversary, CBS, on their show "20/20", did nothing but bullying PJ all the time. Firstly, they've invited a so supposed FBI expert to comment the case. That FBI expert following the lines of an ITV documentary with the help of the journalist during the show, did nothing than bashing the investigation, by claiming Police did not search for her, the parents were left alone, the crime-scene was not sealed, nobody warned borders, etc, etc. Ironically, this must have been one of the few Americans I've seen, that spoke about "borders" between Portugal and Spain. Let's not forget the biggest majority is still convinced Portugal is a Spanish province...

Anyway, Kate will fly the US, because, honestly, she knows it will be a "love affair" in Oprah. The information Oprah must have about the case, was obviously taken from the same "sources" CBS and other major TV channels in North America, took their information from.

But, I'm also convinced this appearance in Oprah has nothing to do with finding Madeleine and the new photos. It's more about their image, showing themselves to the world as the big victims of all times, in a "third world country".



Well said FSoares! Your English is really good!

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Post  FSoares on Tue 21 Apr - 22:19

eddie wrote:

Well said FSoares! Your English is really good!

I think I have days and today is probably a good one!! Some days I can write in an understandable and acceptable English, but, if I am feeling tired, my English can be like some kingdom of non-sense.

French was the foreign language I first learned. Only after I started to learn English, thus the reason why (me thinks) I can speak and write a better French than English. So, I apologize in advance, if at any time, this will look like some strange language, like Portish (mix of Portuguese with English).

Thank you so much.

About the McCanns and Oprah: too many are expecting Oprah to ask some "difficult questions". I don't believe it for a single minute. I don't believe they would accept to be in some show, completely blind about the questions to be asked. ;)

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Post  Guest on Tue 21 Apr - 22:22

FSoares wrote:Well, I believe Kate McCann will be welcome in America. I have a friend in Canada that always told me, both the US and the Canadian Press, have always been very supportive of the McCanns. The fact is that both Presses have relied merely on the Brit Press - probably due to the language factor. The result of it, is that the few programmes they have dedicated to the case, were always very supportive of the couple. Let's not forget by the 1st anniversary, CBS, on their show "20/20", did nothing but bullying PJ all the time. Firstly, they've invited a so supposed FBI expert to comment the case. That FBI expert following the lines of an ITV documentary with the help of the journalist during the show, did nothing than bashing the investigation, by claiming Police did not search for her, the parents were left alone, the crime-scene was not sealed, nobody warned borders, etc, etc. Ironically, this must have been one of the few Americans I've seen, that spoke about "borders" between Portugal and Spain. Let's not forget the biggest majority is still convinced Portugal is a Spanish province...

Anyway, Kate will fly the US, because, honestly, she knows it will be a "love affair" in Oprah. The information Oprah must have about the case, was obviously taken from the same "sources" CBS and other major TV channels in North America, took their information from.

But, I'm also convinced this appearance in Oprah has nothing to do with finding Madeleine and the new photos. It's more about their image, showing themselves to the world as the big victims of all times, in a "third world country".


God help Madeleine. Thats all I can say.

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