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Post  Guest on Sat 3 Oct - 20:28

Here we go Lilly, from the final legal report that Kazlux has just posted which emphasises the point I am making about Portugal and UK working hand in hand on this case to find Maddie and find the truth:

Shortly after the beginning of the investigation, continuous relationships with the Leicestershire Constabulary, which, for the effect, sent several of its officers to Portugal, with the PJ equally sending officers to the United Kingdom, were established, and intense cooperation and understanding was registered between these entities, which were united in the common purpose of searching for the missing child, and for the truth.

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Post  zodiac on Sat 3 Oct - 21:27

viv wrote:
Lillyofthevalley wrote:Viv, do you still believe that the PJ will never re-open the case, imo I think that the PJ are quietly working with this case still
If Gerry feels confident that this case will never be re-opened, then imo he is in for a shock.


Hiya Lilly,

The PJ thoroughly investigated this case and if there was any possibility that it was a stranger who abducted Madeleine they would have to re-open the case because that would mean the crime was entirely within their jurisdiction, not the UK.

But I believe that Maddie was not abducted by a stranger, whatever happened to her, was arranged by her own parents. That means that they committed a very serious offence against Madeleine and that means it is up to the British Police to prosecute them for that. And the British Police have never closed their file. So getting justice means the British Police getting a breakthrough in the evidence, like Jane Tanner starting to tell the truth for a change or finding Madeleine, dead or alive. There are numerous other possibilities including of course the financial dealings of the McCanns and the contacts they have with others.

I think it is extremely likely that the Portuguese Police continue to work closely with the British Police to bring the McCanns and others to justice. I believe the Spanish Police have also been very much involved in that. We are all members of the EU and that positively requires that we all work together to bring criminals to justice. That is precisely what European countries will be doing on this case, but at the end of the day, Kate and Gerry will be brought to trial in England and Wales.


Viv,

Below is from a Home Office letter dated 8th august 2009:

The Madeleine's Foundation letter attached to (name) email raises a number of detailed questions about the investigation. Those are operational matters for the Police and the Home Office has no role in such decisions. We have however been assured by the police that any leads in the UK are followed up and have liaised with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to ensure that the Portuguese authorities receive assistance as appropriate.

The Leicestershire Constabulary has put considerable effort into the investigation and remains committed to it and any new lines of enquiry will be investigated and communicated to the Portuguese. As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation. The Government does not, of course, have control of what the Portuguese do with any information that is passed to them.

The above is hand copied apologies in advance for any typo's.


I think this is important from the above section of the letter:

"As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation."


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Post  MaryB on Sat 3 Oct - 21:48

A three year old child is missing perhaps dead. This is a very serious business. And I cannot think the police would close completely such a case. I for one think the police think they know what happened but do not have enough evidence to proceed in a court of law. That is not an uncommon state of affairs. They just quietly keep working on it. And advances in DNA technology are made all the time. That is why these decades old cases are now being solved.

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Post  zodiac on Sat 3 Oct - 21:50

pennylane wrote:"As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation. The Government does not, of course, have control of what the Portuguese do with any information that is passed to them."

The British HO didn't seem to pass much, if any, information at all that the PJ requested, no credit card records, not even Madeleine's medical records were turned over, which is a simple, highly significant request! Then there was the late arrival of the Gaspar statements. Add to that Mitchell quitting his government job to be 'Kate and Gerry's' sidekick and beck and call man. Sorry, but I don't believe the British authorities were seeking a just outcome in this case at all - quite the contrary in fact.

pennylane the letter ends:

The Government continues to follow Madeleine's case and hopes that she will be found safe and well.

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Post  Guest on Sat 3 Oct - 21:55

MaryB wrote:A three year old child is missing perhaps dead. This is a very serious business. And I cannot think the police would close completely such a case. I for one think the police think they know what happened but do not have enough evidence to proceed in a court of law. That is not an uncommon state of affairs. They just quietly keep working on it. And advances in DNA technology are made all the time. That is why these decades old cases are now being solved.

Well said, it is nice to see people with a great deal of common sense commenting on this case and who do not have an anti-police, anti-government attitude, they just see the plain reality.

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Post  zodiac on Sun 4 Oct - 21:26

pennylane wrote:
zodiac wrote:
pennylane wrote:"As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation. The Government does not, of course, have control of what the Portuguese do with any information that is passed to them."

The British HO didn't seem to pass much, if any, information at all that the PJ requested, no credit card records, not even Madeleine's medical records were turned over, which is a simple, highly significant request! Then there was the late arrival of the Gaspar statements. Add to that Mitchell quitting his government job to be 'Kate and Gerry's' sidekick and beck and call man. Sorry, but I don't believe the British authorities were seeking a just outcome in this case at all - quite the contrary in fact.

pennylane the letter ends:

The Government continues to follow Madeleine's case and hopes that she will be found safe and well.



Zodiac, the Government is pushing the abduction angle imo.



pennylane, mo also.

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Post  Guest on Sun 4 Oct - 22:56

I am convinced that "our" Madeleine never will be found.
Therefore the McCnns are so certain and sure in their performances, they know what happened to Madeleine and that nobody will ever find her (maybe burnt).

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Post  Guest on Sun 4 Oct - 22:59

dinah wrote:I am convinced that "our" Madeleine never will be found.
Therefore the McCnns are so certain and sure in their performances, they know what happened to Madeleine and that nobody will ever find her (maybe burnt).

I think the sea :ill:

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Post  DavidA on Fri 16 Oct - 12:02

viv wrote:In terms of jurisdiction, if this was a stranger abduction only the Portuguese Police could investigate and prosecute the perpetrator but if this was a homicide or sex offending/kidnapping by the McCanns and other British UK would have jurisdiction.

No, they wouldn't. It happened on Portuguese soil. Does not matter that the perpetrator(s) were UK nationals. The Portuguese police have jurisdiction, although this is more difficult once the McCanns returned to the UK, as to question them further they either have to make a 'request' to the UK police to do it on their behalf (and I believe they can be present for questioning), and / or file for extradition.

In fact, the dropping of the case surprised me for this very reason. I suspect there was some pressure because of the media attention on the PJ to find hard evidence or drop it.

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