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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:16

Lilemor wrote:WHY is it allowed to use such awful and oppressive legal tactics? If this is within the law it is truly shocking.
It can NOT be lawful and fair!


The law is not fair, it is just a contest where the side who can use the rules to their best advantage wins. Being rich enough to just out price the opponent is a very common tactic that is used. That is what people like Kate and Gerry pay lawyers for, to plan and to utilise the rules to their best advantage. It is not about being nice, it is about winning and it can be a very dirty fight.

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Post  the one and only big_l on Tue 27 Oct - 19:19

viv wrote:
Lilemor wrote:WHY is it allowed to use such awful and oppressive legal tactics? If this is within the law it is truly shocking.
It can NOT be lawful and fair!


The law is not fair, it is just a contest where the side who can use the rules to their best advantage wins. Being rich enough to just out price the opponent is a very common tactic that is used. That is what people like Kate and Gerry pay lawyers for, to plan and to utilise the rules to their best advantage. It is not about being nice, it is about winning and it can be a very dirty fight.
very true viv its just a pity that that barsteward gerry i,m an arsehole mccann is using everybody elses money except his familys eh

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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:28

Hiya again BigL


That has often been my point, when did we ever hear Gerry was selling that big house or remortgaging it to fund looking for Madeleine. It has always been about fund raising from everyone else to pay for his antics. His attitude has been clear, I want to milk everyone for every penny I can get, to pay my mortgage and buy me a nice new car etc. No way am I dipping hand into pocket. I am so profligate with money I had to get pensioners, those on Income Support etc who were mug enough to hand over their State Benefits to pay my mortgage for me because there is no way I had any savings to pay it myself. Maddie is my property, she is a very sellable piece of property and all profits must come to me. How many times did we hear The Pink Ludicrous One shouting that. ONly thing is, he does not shout it any more, even that thick twut realised that is seriously enough to pi%% the public off and make them see what money grabbers they are. So instead of going on about all funds should just go to them, no one else is entitled to profit from Maddie, they go one better and start suing any bugger that looks like they may be trying to do that. Remember how cross they were the Madeleine Foundation is nothing to do with us and not part of the offical collection for finding Maddie. Official??? I could think of better words.

I doubt Carter Ruck's latest jaunt against the MF was funded even by the Fund. This was very different to the action against the Express. Carter Ruck would not have agreed to fund it because clearly they would not be in the position of thinking we can get our costs paid from these two. It was simply a case of terrorising them into shutting up. As such, Carter Ruck would have wanted paying for that work. Given Brian Kennedy also got a mention as apparently being libelled by the MF I would be pretty certain he funded it all.

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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:35

the one and only big_l wrote:very true viv its just a pity that that barsteward gerry i,m an arsehole mccann is using everybody elses money except his familys eh

It is a pity, and it certainly adds to the injustice, but the upside is it provides a very convinient and very large stick to beat him with. Both Mitchell and McVey are on record of stating that public donations would not be used for legal fees.

Year one accounts quite clearly showed they deliberately misled the public. I suspect the year two accounts will shed even more light on their reprehensible behaviour.

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Post  the one and only big_l on Tue 27 Oct - 19:44

very true viv and hare
its a pity a journalist with b_lls didn,t ask "gerry and kate we know that the fund has done alot in your search for maddie BUT just how much have you and your family suffered financially?"



you,d get another kate mccann classic "eh well like we never really searched for her but we were very busy you know making sure the house was fully paid up for her "
gerry
"and we know that maddie would like to be taken to the creshe in the new 4x4"


an utter pair of &*&^^%^&*^s

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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:47

and Gerry was very clear at the time in saying that he thought the donations could be used to fund lawyers' fees and he did not see the public would have a problem with that. Talk about distorted thinking. Just a few days later McVey goes on record as saying that he is wrong about that, you can just imagine what Gerry had to say to her and why she beat a hasty retreat from something that she could clearly perceive would take her down with them. There was another went at the same time. How wise!

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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:50

oh and one more Big L

Kate: and my new role as International Mother Theresa does not pay a wage, no, not as such. So I think the public will really want to support me in the work I am doing, "behind the scenes".


and that reasonably includes my botox treatments

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Post  the one and only big_l on Tue 27 Oct - 19:52

viv wrote:oh and one more Big L

Kate: and my new role as International Mother Theresa does not pay a wage, no, not as such. So I think the public will really want to support me in the work I am doing, "behind the scenes".
very true viv mind you they always wanted a movie deal to make money so kate and that other swinger jane i,m not a fantasist tanner could remake kate and jane do dallas

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Post  the one and only big_l on Tue 27 Oct - 19:53

viv wrote:oh and one more Big L

Kate: and my new role as International Mother Theresa does not pay a wage, no, not as such. So I think the public will really want to support me in the work I am doing, "behind the scenes".


and that reasonably includes my botox treatments
botox !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! she hasn,t got an arse ............................oh right her lips

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Post  Guest on Tue 27 Oct - 19:55

Well you know BIgL, I could willingly give her a tissue transplant, and save on the costs of knickers and bras

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Post  the one and only big_l on Tue 27 Oct - 19:56

viv wrote:Well you know BIgL, I could willingly give her a tissue transplant, and save on the costs of knickers and bras

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Re: Amaral Asks Social Security For Help, JdN, 26.10.09

Post  Lilemor on Thu 29 Oct - 6:57

Hallo, good morning to all of you ,

I did find Portuguese news regarding G. Amaral.
From wednesday. From Expresso.....

Who can translate, please?

http://aeiou.expresso.pt/tribunal-fica-com-jaguar-de-goncalo-amaral=f544234

Desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann


Tribunal fica com Jaguar de Gonçalo Amaral
Direitos de autor e quota do antigo inspector da PJ , Gonçalo Amaral na empresa que criou também foram arrestados. Clique para visitar o dossiê Desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann. Ricardo Marques e Rui Gustavo (www.expresso.pt)
22:35 Quarta-feira, 28 de Out de 2009

Lançamento do livro de Gonçalo Amaral, A Verdade da Mentira, em Julho de 2008
Luís Faustino/Expresso

O Tribunal Cível de Lisboa, que esta semana ordenou o arresto dos direitos de autor do livro de Gonçalo Amaral sobre o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, bem como do documentário que se lhe seguiu, considera que a sociedade unipessoal criada pelo antigo coordenador da PJ poderá permitir receber e fazer desaparecer os proventos que lhe são pessoalmente destinados pela venda dos livros e vídeos. Clique para aceder ao índice do DOSSIÊ DESAPARECIMENTO DE MADELEINE MCCANN
Por isso, na sequência do pedido de indemnização da família McCann, decidiu através de um procedimento cautelar, arrestar também a quota de Amaral na empresa, um terço do seu vencimento como gerente e até o Jaguar que o ex-polícia conduz - mas que pertence à firma.
O carro, com uma cilindrada de 2700cc e um preço a rondar os 70 mil euros novo, foi comprado em Maio e registado em nome da sociedade Gonçalo Amaral Unipessoal Lda., com um capital social de 5000 euros. A empresa, criada em Novembro do ano passado, oferece consultoria, estudos e análise na área da investigação criminal e é especializada na divulgação, promoção e comunicação de trabalhos técnicos.
As notificações para as editoras que publicaram o livro "Maddie - A verdade da mentira" seguiram no início da semana para vários países da Europa: Itália, Holanda, Dinamarca, Alemanha, Espanha e França. A editora Guerra & Paz, (que publicou o livro em Portugal), a Presslivre (proprietária do "Correio da Manhã" onde Amaral tem uma crónica semanal), a Valentim de Carvalho e a TVI foram também notificadas do arresto dos direitos de autor que são devidos ao antigo coordenador da PJ até haver uma decisão final no processo em curso.
Contactado pelo Expresso, Gonçalo Amaral escusou-se a fazer qualquer comentário sobre a decisão do Tribunal Cível, remetendo a sua posição para um comunicado de imprensa divulgado na quarta-feira. Nesse documento, o homem que investigou o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann receia "ficar impossibilitado de defender as suas razões em tribunal" e admite enfrentar "constrangimentos relativos à sua própria defesa".
Kate e Gerry McCann, que foram constituídos arguidos no decurso da investigação, e os três filhos menores, Sean e Amelie e Madeleine, são os requerentes do processo em curso no tribunal cível. Exigem ao antigo inspector da PJ uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros por difamação, devido a afirmações "contínuas e grosseiras" sobre a investigação do caso de 2007.
No entanto, de acordo com a avaliação feita pelo tribunal, a situação patrimonial de Gonçalo Amaral não oferece garantias suficientes para o pagamento em caso de condenação. A casa de Olhão - que comprou em conjunto com a mulher, em 2002, com um empréstimo do BIC, mas que está registado apenas no nome dela - foi arrestada em 2005 devido a uma dívida de cerca de 130 mil euros.
Um ano depois, a Fazenda Nacional registou uma penhora sobre a casa como garantia de pagamento de 16900 euros. Por fim, há dois anos, foi o BES (ao qual o BIC pertence agora) a avançar com uma acção executiva contra o casal para cobrança de mais de 300 mil euros - nova penhora.
O livro "Maddie - A verdade da Mentira" foi lançado em Julho de 2008 e nos dois meses seguintes, até final de Setembro, teve 12 edições, ou seja, 120 mil exemplares. No entanto, em Setembro, também por decisão do tribunal, tinha já sido proibida sua a venda.
Gonçalo Amaral aposentou-se da Polícia Judiciária em Junho do ano passado, depois de 26 anos de serviço. Na altura, afirmou que saía para ter "plenitude de liberdade de expressão", depois de ter sido afastado, meses antes, da investigação ao desaparecimento da criança inglesa devido a declarações feitas à comunicação social. Actualmente, Amaral recebe uma pensão por reforma antecipada de 2039 euros. O inquérito sobre o caso foi arquivado em Junho de 2008, sem que fossem apuradas quaisquer responsabilidades dos pais da menina inglesa de três anos que desapareceu a três de Maio de 2007, na Praia da Luz.
Processo resumido
A família McCann exige a Gonçalo Amaral uma indemnização de 1,2 milhões de euros devido ao livro
O Tribunal Cível de Lisboa proibiu em Setembro a comercialização de "Maddie - A verdade da mentira"
Esta semana, as editoras que publicaram o livro e as entidades com as quais o antigo coordenador da PJ colabora foram notificadas do arresto das verbas relativas a direitos de autor

Texto publicado na edição do Expresso de 24 de Outubro de 2009

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Re: Amaral Asks Social Security For Help, JdN, 26.10.09

Post  Justiceforallkids on Thu 29 Oct - 7:26

google translation







Madeleine McCann


Court gets Jaguar Gonçalo Amaral
Copyright and share the former inspector of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral at the company that has also been seized. Click to visit the dossier Disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Ricardo Marques and Rui Gustavo (www.expresso.pt)
22:35 Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Release of the book of Gonçalo Amaral, True Lies, in July 2008
Luis Faustino / Express

The Civil Court of Lisbon, this week ordered the arrest of copyright in the book of Gonçalo Amaral on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, as well as the documentary that followed, believes that the member company created by the former coordinator of the PJ may allow make and take away the proceeds to him personally for the sale of books and videos. Click to access the content DOSSIÊ DISAPPEARANCE OF MADELEINE MCCANN
Therefore, following the claim from the McCann family, decided through a trial process, apprehend also share in the company Amaral, a third of his salary as a manager and even the Jaguar that former police leads - but it belongs the firm.
The car, with a displacement of 2700cc and a price of around 70 thousand euros new, was purchased in May and registered in the name of the company Gonçalo Amaral Unipessoal Ltd., with a capital of 5000 euros. The company, established in November last year, provides consulting, research and analysis in the field of criminal investigation and specializes in the dissemination, promotion and communication of technical work.
Notifications to the publishers who published the book "Maddie - The truth of lies" followed earlier this week to several European countries: Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Spain and France. The publisher War & Peace (which published the book in Portugal), the Presslivre (owner of the Correio da Manha where Amaral is a weekly columnist), the Valentim de Carvalho and TVI were also notified of the seizure of copyright that are due to the former coordinator of the PJ until a final decision in the ongoing process.
Contacted by Express, Gonçalo Amaral declined to make any comment on the decision of the Civil Court, referring to its position to a press release issued on Wednesday. In this document, the man who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann fears "is unable to defend their reasons in court and admits to" constraints on its own defense. "
Kate and Gerry McCann, were made defendants in the course of the investigation, and three children, Sean and Amelie and Madeleine, are the applicants of the ongoing process in civil court. Require the former PJ inspector compensation of 1.2 million for defamation due to statements "continued and blatant" about the investigation of the case of 2007.
However, according to the assessment made by the court, the assets of Gonçalo Amaral does not provide sufficient guarantees for the payment in case of conviction. The house of Olhão - which bought together with his wife in 2002 with a loan from the BIC, but that is not registered in her name - was arrested in 2005 due to a debt of around 130 thousand euros.
A year later, the National Treasury has an attachment on the house as collateral for payment of 16,900 euros. Finally, two years ago was the BES (which now belongs to the BIC) to proceed with enforcement proceedings against the couple for the collection of more than 300 thousand euros - new attachment.
The book "Maddie - The Truth Lies" was released in July 2008 and within two months by the end of September, had 12 editions, ie 120 thousand copies. However, in September, also by the court, had already banned its sale.
Gonçalo Amaral retired from the Judicial Police in June last year after 26 years of service. At the time, said he went to have "full freedom of expression," after being away, months before the investigation of the disappearance of British child because of statements made to the media. Currently, Amaral receive a retirement pension of 2039 euros. The investigation of the case was filed in June 2008, which were cleared without any responsibility of the parents of British girl who disappeared three years to three of May 2007 in Praia da Luz
Case summary
The McCann family requires Gonçalo Amaral compensation of 1.2 million euros due to the book
The Civil Court of Lisbon in September banned the marketing of "Maddie - The truth of lies"
This week, the editors who published the book and the entities with which the former coordinator of the PJ collaborates were notified of the seizure of funds relating to copyright

Text published in the Express, 24 October 2009

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Post  Colonel Fabien on Thu 29 Oct - 7:55

This article is the exact same article which appeared in the Expresso on 22 October 2009.

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Re: Amaral Asks Social Security For Help, JdN, 26.10.09

Post  Guest on Thu 29 Oct - 8:37

Quite right, Viv. I cannot understand how the taxman still has not caught up with them for "send us your money in a brown envelope, address it to Kate and Gerry, Rothley, it'll get there."

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 0:32

Hare wrote:
the one and only big_l wrote:very true viv its just a pity that that barsteward gerry i,m an arsehole mccann is using everybody elses money except his familys eh

It is a pity, and it certainly adds to the injustice, but the upside is it provides a very convinient and very large stick to beat him with. Both Mitchell and McVey are on record of stating that public donations would not be used for legal fees.

Year one accounts quite clearly showed they deliberately misled the public. I suspect the year two accounts will shed even more light on their reprehensible behaviour.

Can we nail them for fraud ?

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Post  lynn on Fri 30 Oct - 0:39

Do think that Gonalco Amaral will come out of this OK. He will have his time in court and have the opportunity to say what he wants to...in court! The McCanns are trying their best to break him, but they certainly won't do that. They are the ones who are digging the hole and then fall into it.

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 1:10

My understanding is that Goncalo is saying unless he gets state help to fund his defence of the case against him by the McScams he will not be able to afford the legal fees. Dealing with a case like this is not really possible unless you have lawyers working for you and he just cannot afford them. I think that was how they planned it, get an injunction to seise his assets and then he will not be able to carry on, fait accompli. Vicious, nasty, tactics but all within the law. If he does not defend the case against him, he loses anyway. That is the way lawyers work for their clients, get the result by the fastest cheapest method.

I think the better hope is that the McCanns will find themselves arrested before it comes to that.

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 1:13

viv wrote:My understanding is that Goncalo is saying unless he gets state help to fund his defence of the case against him by the McScams he will not be able to afford the legal fees. Dealing with a case like this is not really possible unless you have lawyers working for you and he just cannot afford them. I think that was how they planned it, get an injunction to seise his assets and then he will not be able to carry on, fait accompli. Vicious, nasty, tactics but all within the law.

I think the better hope is that the McCanns will find themselves arrested before it comes to that.

I'm with you on a lot of this - but arrested for what? They appear to be bankrolled to the hilt. They're avoiding everything

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 1:27

Hiya Photon, For being involved in the disappearance of their daughter, fraud, perverting the course of justice.

I know that is a lot to hope for, but I have faith in the police, even if, sometimes, it takes them years to get sufficient evidence.

There are so many indicators of late to suggest the McCanns position becomes yet more precarious, including them re-focussing back on Portugal having once ran away from there. Back home is what they really fear.

I just have a faith in justice and sometimes that is the way it works out. Goncalo just needs a break because their case against him is not one he can win. But they do not deserve to win it either.

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 1:32

I go with all of that Viv - but things aren't looking good (IMHO). Sometimes it just appears as though justice just doesn't happen. They squirm out of it..................... There seem to be so many dodgy backers in this case.

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Post  Guest on Fri 30 Oct - 2:19

Photon wrote:I go with all of that Viv - but things aren't looking good (IMHO). Sometimes it just appears as though justice just doesn't happen. They squirm out of it..................... There seem to be so many dodgy backers in this case.


OH yes, Their, is it or there, forgive me if I'm wrong. don't worry about me, i can't spell, like a witch on halloween.

The dodgy backer,s they (their) are the problem, egg on face, not nice. POLITICALY .


Is Mr Healy (excused from roggies) in better health than HEWLETT (dying in Aachen).

Nytol.

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Post  guardian_angel on Fri 30 Oct - 6:45

On the digital spy forum there is a thread for maddy there are 3 people posting from Brompton hospital its so obvious (where gerry is a consultant).

The McCanns are really out to nail Amaral its sickening.

The vitriol that comes from these posters about him is horrible.

All amaral wanted was the truth about maddy.

Now he is tarred as a criminal by them.

I have spent 2 days defending him my hands hurt.

IF I could send him money in a little brown envelope i would. I want him to fight this and win.

I want to know how the mccans can be happy with this video from america which shows their daughter in a scene being SUFFOCATED TO DEATH, and not complain, but go for Amarals throat.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/11/madeleine-mccann-haunting-evidenceor-no.html

OK perhaps he should have reigned in some of what he wrote about the parents but surely if they are innocent why should they care?

What about all the awful books about the jon ramsay case and the parents.

I cant get it round my head why the mccanns didnt complain straight away, they waited until the book was a best seller and then complained. Talk about bloody greedy. Shame on them.

I hate them. Child neglecter's. Because of their neglect little maddy wont be trick and treating will she. Poor little mite. xxx

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Post  Lilemor on Fri 30 Oct - 7:11

viv wrote:My understanding is that Goncalo is saying unless he gets state help to fund his defence of the case against him by the McScams he will not be able to afford the legal fees. Dealing with a case like this is not really possible unless you have lawyers working for you and he just cannot afford them. I think that was how they planned it, get an injunction to seise his assets and then he will not be able to carry on, fait accompli. Vicious, nasty, tactics but all within the law. If he does not defend the case against him, he loses anyway. That is the way lawyers work for their clients, get the result by the fastest cheapest method.

I think the better hope is that the McCanns will find themselves arrested before it comes to that.

Hi Viv,
do you really think or know such nasty, vicious tactics are within the law?
To let humans gag because of money and to prevent them from their rights?
I thought this law is only in GB.
In Portugal, too?

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Post  vivvy on Sun 1 Nov - 18:17

I just can't understand why there isn't a rich backer somewhere willing to help Amaral out. I know if I were wealthy I would be only too happy to back him financially. He mentioned somewhere that he had masons approaching him and agreeing with his views and yet he is being left stranded, his only hope is legal aid. He wants so much to face the Mccanns in court yet is being denied this right. Even if it is 'only' for the sake of justice, someone somewhere surely will be willing to help him. I can't believe that only the Mccanns have wealthy benefactors and if so, why?

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