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Post  Lilemor on Thu 3 Dec - 6:52

snowflake wrote:it ill be the first time amaral has ever seen the parents of madeleine.
wonder how he will feel.

No, I don´t think so.
Interrogations, arguida-day...

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Lilemor on Thu 3 Dec - 7:02

In my opinion it IS extremely necessary to have a very close look (or watch) into the files/investigation.
How could a judge decide without having done that???
Did Amaral lie, did the McCanns lie... and and and.
It is only answerable if there has been a thoroughly examination of the facts, the files and the book.

Or is only the fact that the case has been archived and the suspect-status has been lifted crucial?

Or did I get the wrong end of the stick?

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Christine on Thu 3 Dec - 8:51

fedrules wrote:Well, at least the Sun repeated Mr Amaral's theory, which means the public are being reminded that the abduction is not the only explanation of what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Wonder if they will also be making a trip to P. da L??

If they do, it won't be the private one without press...

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POLICE CHIEF FACES LIBEL TRIAL

Post  Colonel Fabien on Thu 3 Dec - 9:25

fedrules wrote:So Mr Amaral was instrumental in naming the McCanns 'arguidos'..I thought the evidence was the cause. Mr Amaral merely reacted to the dogs' alerts and the troubling Smith family sighting of 'McCann' with 'Maddie' in his arms. It was his duty to name them arguidos, given the circumstantial evidence against them..

Gonçalo Amaral did not name the McCanns arguidos. The decision was collective. It involved not only GA but the director of the PJ, A. Ribeiro, the judge instructing the investigation, the head of the PJ in Faro, G. Encarnacão, and no doubt others. Anyway, no one can be made an arguido without the judge's authorisation. Without the judge it's no go.

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Madeleine's Parents will be in Lisbon, 1.12.09, J. de N.

Post  Colonel Fabien on Thu 3 Dec - 9:33

snowflake wrote:it ill be the first time amaral has ever seen the parents of madeleine.
wonder how he will feel.

It will also be the first time the McCanns will see G. Amaral in person. I wonder how they will feel.

It will also be their first time in a court room. Wonder how they will feel. This time they shouldn't be in control.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  RIORITA on Thu 3 Dec - 10:21

I don't think this will be the first time they have seen
each other. I wish Mr Amaral all the luck in
the world

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  welshy on Thu 3 Dec - 10:24

I hope Mrs Amaral sits next to Kate.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Lilemor on Thu 3 Dec - 10:31

Imo the McCanns feel very very safe.
They dare to meet the leading investigator in a court room. Hmmmmmm...
It is really the last thing I would have expected.
They KNOW (I assume) that Dr. Amaral stated that he knows things he haven´t said...
It doesn´t bother the couple.
It is so strange.
There must be a reason why they are "courageous".
They know they wouldn´t lose.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Alfiefinn on Thu 3 Dec - 10:44

No doubt Antonella Lazzeri of the Sun will be with them to record 'their agony'.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  RIORITA on Thu 3 Dec - 10:46

IMO they also know 'things'......that's wht makes
them so brave

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Re: Madeleine's parents will have to be in Lisbon, 1.12.09, J. de No., Portugal

Post  Carolina on Thu 3 Dec - 10:58

Mark my words, the only way the McCanns would see the inside of a courtroom is if they are forced by a court order. They have so far successfully avoided any confrontation with the persons or newspapers they have sued but this time Gonçalo Amaral is determined to have his day in court.

Can you imagine that couple having to testify and answer questions that have not been predetermined. An intelligent lawyer would make mince meat of them, with all of their contradictions and incoherencies. He certainly wouldn't pussy foot around them like the British journalists. They would be sweating buckets.

The reason that the compensation they have asked for is so high is to make the court costs which are in proportion prohibitive and thus prevent GA from paying them and being forced to settle out of court. Therefore, please for those who want justice for Madeleine McCann, donate to the fund!!!!!!!!

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Guest on Thu 3 Dec - 11:14

Carolina

Let"s just hope that Amaral can prove at the trial that he has not been libellous or caused the McCann Family
such trauma ( they only have to produce the video of the Cutting Edge docu showing them playing happy
families) to prove this.

Personally, I hope Amaral does not settle out of Court.

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Madeleine's parents will have to be in Lisbon, 1.12.09, J. de N.

Post  Colonel Fabien on Thu 3 Dec - 11:14

I shall repeat once more : Gonçalo Amaral and the McCanns HAVE NEVER MET IN PERSON. This I know for sure. And I know for sure that the McCanns fear meeting him.

I second Carolina's call for donations to the fund. I have already donated and shall donate again. Remember, every euro counts.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Christine on Thu 3 Dec - 11:15

I don't think this is about the big law case yet. This is only about the book being banned. There won't be in depth questions about the case I think.

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Re: Madeleine's parents will have to be in Lisbon, 1.12.09, J. de No., Portugal

Post  Carolina on Thu 3 Dec - 11:36

Beattie: Don't worry, Gonçalo Amaral has no intention of settling out of court because the question now is not just the Maddie case but freedom of expression.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Lilemor on Thu 3 Dec - 11:45

It will be only a kind of formal act?


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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Guest on Thu 3 Dec - 12:00

Carolina wrote:Beattie: Don't worry, Gonçalo Amaral has no intention of settling out of court because the question now is not just the Maddie case but freedom of expression.

EXACTLY!!!!!

Edward Smethhurst and Abreu are the McCann Lawyers with Duarte, maybe the McCanns got carried away
with their success in getting the DE to pay £550,000 and I just wonder whether Smethurst is as canny as Carter
Ruck were. Iv"e still got a sneaky suspicion the McCanns will drop their suit, especially now that they have
been shown to be wasteful with Fund Money. Mark my words, Fund money is being used for this case although
Esther McVey said it wasn"t permissable. This is why they have included Madeleine ,so the Fund would pay.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Guest on Thu 3 Dec - 12:03

Colonel Fabien wrote:I shall repeat once more : Gonçalo Amaral and the McCanns HAVE NEVER MET IN PERSON. This I know for sure. And I know for sure that the McCanns fear meeting him.

I second Carolina's call for donations to the fund. I have already donated and shall donate again. Remember, every euro counts.
Is it known the exact or approximate costs of the judicial fees of the libel case?
I tried to calculate it according with the dispatch of 27th April, but depending on a series of factors, including the input of the judge, the amount can vary a lot. I came up with values between €20.000 and €60.000.

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  T4two on Thu 3 Dec - 12:41

Colonel Fabien wrote:
fedrules wrote:So Mr Amaral was instrumental in naming the McCanns 'arguidos'..I thought the evidence was the cause. Mr Amaral merely reacted to the dogs' alerts and the troubling Smith family sighting of 'McCann' with 'Maddie' in his arms. It was his duty to name them arguidos, given the circumstantial evidence against them..

Gonçalo Amaral did not name the McCanns arguidos. The decision was collective. It involved not only GA but the director of the PJ, A. Ribeiro, the judge instructing the investigation, the head of the PJ in Faro, G. Encarnacão, and no doubt others. Anyway, no one can be made an arguido without the judge's authorisation. Without the judge it's no go.

Yes, the spin looks very much like an attempt to isolate Dr. Amaral by putting the entire 'blame' onto him for the McCanns' "pain and grief". Make it look like a personal vendetta by a 'corrupt' policeman. I suppose there are persons in the Portuguese authorities who would be happy to go along with this version?

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  T4two on Thu 3 Dec - 13:06

Beattie: [quote]Mark my words, Fund money is being used for this case although
Esther McVey said it wasn"t permissable. This is why they have included Madeleine ,so the Fund would pay.[/quote]

That is an excellent point. So having included Madeleine as a plaintiff they also had to include the twins. This means that a fund started with massive donations from a compassionate public for the purpose of searching for a child allegedly abducted is in fact being used by the parents of that child to finance the legal intimidation of anyone who questions their version of events. Like other posters I wonder who is backing them behind the scenes. What do they know that they can use as leverage to the extent of influencing the governments of two countries? How long are the backers going to go along with this before seeking an alternative solution?

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Alfiefinn on Thu 3 Dec - 13:09

T4two, perhaps they have hold of some interesting negatives or something?....I know everyone's gone digital these days, but you know what I mean

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  T4two on Thu 3 Dec - 13:59

Alfiefinn wrote:T4two, perhaps they have hold of some interesting negatives or something?....I know everyone's gone digital these days, but you know what I mean

Hi Alfiefinn Yep, I know what you mean, but if something is being used to exert leverage how long is it going to go on and how far will it be allowd to go before someone does a Henry II "Will no one rid me of this troublesome pair?"

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Alfiefinn on Thu 3 Dec - 14:03

We can only watch and wait with interest....

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Guest on Thu 3 Dec - 14:27

Alfiefinn wrote:No doubt Antonella Lazzeri of the Sun will be with them to record 'their agony'.

If you psychoanalyse this journalist's past articles you will see that she is clearly a male-hating feminist. She specifically writes articles that reflect men as evil and women as the eternal victims. I noticed Antonella Lazzeri has never once wrote an article on the female abuse/neglect of children. Antonella Lazzeri is Team McCann's dream journalist because Team McCann exploit their feminist supporters for their denial of abusive women. Team McCann have exploited the feminist angle to this case the moment Kate McCann was accused of involvement in the disappearance of her daughter because to a feminist, women are ALWAYS the victims even if the they are the victims of lower human intelligence such as CHIPMUNKS according to Antonella Lazzeri

Mum attacked by killer chipmunk

The Sun, Thursday 30 July
By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

http://www.journalisted.com/antonella-lazzeri

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Re: Amaral V McCann trial

Post  Guest on Thu 3 Dec - 14:50

Alfiefinn wrote:We can only watch and wait with interest....

Don"t be surprised if their suit against Amaral is dropped. They did it once before when the Company went bust.
If it does go to Trial much will depend on the experience of their respective Lawyers.

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