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Post  4timesanan on Fri 15 Jan - 18:20

why..why...why would a reporter go out of his way to put this slant on things...we all know what they can't say..but why do they have to be so ...i'm lost for words

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Post  HiDeHo on Fri 15 Jan - 18:23

I think there are more people than we estimate that believe the McCann's consistant 'brainwashing'....

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Post  4timesanan on Fri 15 Jan - 18:43

possibly..but only the people who don't follow the other side of the story.... but all journo's!.. who's life's vocation is searching out information

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http://www.algarveresident.com/story.asp?XID=34719

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DMail: She's terrifyingly thin, he's boiling with rage: So why HAVE the McCanns put themselves on trial?

Post  Guest on Fri 15 Jan - 20:48

She's terrifyingly thin, he's boiling with rage: So why HAVE the McCanns put themselves on trial?

By David Jones
Last updated at 8:03 PM on 15th January 2010

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Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at a court in Lisbon, Portugal, earlier this week

Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at a court in Lisbon, Portugal, earlier this week

During the first few weeks after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Goncalo Amaral came to symbolise all that was wrong with the abysmally mishandled Portuguese police investigation into the case.

A portly provincial CID chief who was plainly out of his depth and had a penchant for long, wine-fuelled lunches and leaking favourable stories about himself to the Press, he was removed as head of the investigation after six months.

And when he was later revealed to have perjured himself to cover up a brutal interrogation by members of his team, detractors scoffed that his name ought to have been spelt with an 'o', as in 'amoral'.

In an extraordinary transformation of fortunes, however, he is now a Portuguese national icon, 'courageously' fighting for the right to express his bombshell theory: that Madeleine was not abducted, but died accidentally, and her parents, Gerry and Kate, covered up her death.

As Amaral arrived at a Lisbon court this week for the cause celebre case that has turned him into an unlikely hero, he clearly revelled in his new-found popularity.

Mobbed by cheering, flag and banner-waving supporters (mainly women of a certain age), he smiled and signed autographs before a barrage of cameras.

Though he is 50 and a father of three daughters, Amaral sported a faux diamond ear-stud recently given to him by his (much younger) second wife, Sofia Leal: surely a ludicrous accessory for a balding, middle-aged man in a gumshoe's mac and trilby.

Yet for Gerry and Kate, who froze with contempt as the star witness sashayed past them to take his seat in court, this unedifying spectacle was just the start of a week that has once again tested their powers of resolve to the limit.
Goncalo Amaral, who is accusing the McCanns of covering up their daughter Maddie's death

Goncalo Amaral, who is accusing the McCanns of covering up their daughter Maddie's death

For three long days, the couple were forced to listen as a procession of witnesses supported the distressing central assertions in the controversial memoir Amaral has written about the hunt for their daughter.

Melodramatically titled Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie, the book had become a best-seller in Portugal by September, when the McCanns won an injunction ordering it to be removed from the shelves.

Up to 330,000 copies of the £10 paperback are said to have been sold in Portugal and Europe before it was withdrawn, reportedly netting Amaral more than £1 million.

In the book, which has been turned into a TV documentary and DVD, the former police chief states with absolute conviction his belief that three-year-old Madeleine was not abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, as her parents have always claimed.

Instead, he claims she died by accident, after falling from the sofa and hitting her head on the floor while the McCanns dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar.
Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday

Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday

When they realised what had happened, according to his shocking theory, they panicked and concealed her body, thus precipitating the biggest and most perplexing missing person inquiry of modern times.

Regardless of whether they believe these unsubstantiated views, the majority of the Portuguese people insist that Amaral has every right to express them.

For in a country that threw off the shackles of dictatorship only 35 years ago and where state censorship is still remembered by the older generation, freedom of speech is sacrosanct.

Having been pilloried for leaving their three children alone on the night their elder daughter vanished, Kate and Gerry find themselves under vitriolic attack from the Portuguese media yet again.

This week's court case was brought by Amaral, who is seeking to have the injunction lifted so he can sell thousands more copies of his book, which his publishers hope to launch on the huge U.S. and British markets.

But the hearing would never have come about had the McCanns not sought the ban in the first place and instead allowed the public to make up their own minds about the unsubstantiated theories of a failed police chief with many axes to grind.

This week's skirmish is not the end of the McCanns' battle to silence Amaral.

Win or lose, they are intent on suing him for libel damages to recoup every penny he has earned from the book, promising to donate the money to the fund they set up to find Madeleine.

Amaral claims Madeleine died by accident, after falling from the sofa and hitting her head on the floor while the McCanns dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar

For his part, should the Lisbon courts find against him, Amaral has pledged to fight on, all the way to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary.

Though this case will be decided within two months, the McCanns seem certain to be trekking back and forth between their home in Leicestershire and Lisbon for many months - or even years - to come.

Watching the couple suffer more attacks on their reputations this week - Kate painfully thin and close to breaking point; Gerry pugnacious, as always - you have to ask why they have chosen to put themselves in the firing line yet again.

Why have they embarked on a course of action that has effectively placed them - rather than the man who bungled the police investigation - on trial?
A terrifyingly thin Kate and stressed Gerry are clearly not coping well with the trial

A terrifyingly thin Kate and stressed Gerry are clearly not coping well with the trial

And worse, in a court where they can be subjected to the most damaging and baseless slurs without recourse to rigorous cross-examination.

Many PR experts would have advised them to simply ignore Amaral and his unproven 'theory', so depriving his book of the global publicity the case has received this week.

Why have the McCanns embarked on a course of action that has effectively placed them - rather than the man who bungled the police investigation - on trial?

Before answering the questions about the McCanns, it is worth recounting the former police chief's part in the flawed inquiry and how his book came to be written.

On May 3, 2007, when Madeleine vanished from Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, Amaral was in charge of CID at the nearest big town, Portimao.

As he recalls in the memoir, he was informed about her disappearance just after midnight.
The McCanns are attempting to prevent the publication of Amaral's book Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie

The McCanns are attempting to prevent the publication of Amaral's book Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie

The McCanns were adamant that Madeleine - who had been left alone with her twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, then 18 months old - must have been snatched. But he quickly became sceptical.

When I spoke to him at length this week, he claimed to have approached the case with professional dispassion, but his opinion appears to have been influenced at least partly by deep cultural differences between him and the McCanns.

As a traditional Portuguese father with three daughters, he was appalled to discover these British parents had left their three small children alone while they enjoyed dinner with friends, even though the restaurant was only yards away.

As the hours and days passed, however, other factors coloured his views, not least the McCanns' apparent determination to whip up publicity via what one witness this week described disdainfully as a 'media circus'.

Though Amaral insists he has no time for conspiracy theories, it seems he began to see them everywhere.

For example, why had the couple's holiday friends trampled all over the apartment, tarnishing potentially vital evidence: was this ' contamination' deliberate?

Then there was the behaviour of the British authorities, including the police officers who arrived in Praia da Luz four days after Madeleine vanished. Why were they seemingly so unco-operative with the Portuguese police and protective of the McCanns?

He remains convinced that his team was systematically obstructed by the British in some arcane plot orchestrated from on high, and he has just published a second (not banned) book expounding this theory, titled The English Gag.

Former detective Goncalo Amaral poses with his book

Former detective Goncalo Amaral poses with his book

According to the court testimony of the McCanns' liaison officer, Ricardo Paiva, the suspicions of Amaral and his team were hardened by what was seen as a turning point in the police investigation.

It came when a weeping Kate phoned Paiva, in late July 2007, to report a disturbing dream in which she had seen Madeleine lying on rocks overlooking a beach at Praia da Luz. The detectives took this to be a clear signal that the McCanns knew full well that their daughter was dead.

Soon afterwards, sniffer dogs were called in to the search, but though they were said to have detected 'the scent of death' in the couple's holiday apartment and Renault Scenic hire car, no forensic evidence was found to support this.

There are serious questions about the reliability of these dogs, which also seemed to sniff out human remains at a Jersey children's home, which has since been discounted.

Furthermore, Gerry McCann insists Kate never had the supposedly incriminating dream, let alone reported it.

'I don't know if something has been lost in translation, but that didn't happen,' said the 41-year-old heart specialist, struggling to maintain his composure during a break in the proceedings. 'These are Goncalo Amaral's witnesses.

'I think it is particularly disappointing that certain police officers who considered us as possibly involved have not been able to change their views, despite the lack of evidence.'
Kate and Gerry McCann

Kate and Gerry McCann haven't given up hope on finding their missing daughter

Speaking to me during the court lunch-break on Thursday, however, Amaral remained defiantly on the offensive. With a female supporter acting as interpreter, he said he wrote his 200-page book in just two months, fuelled by endless cigarettes at his home on the Algarve.

He didn't work from police documents or diaries, but purely from memory, he told me, tapping his head for emphasis. And he used a personal computer kept disconnected from the internet for 'security' reasons.

But what possible justification did he have for writing the memoir, the profits from which have been frozen by the court (though not before he could acquire a new Jaguar), if it wasn't to get rich and settle scores in the process?

'I'd like to remind everyone that the book is on trial - not Kate and I'

The decision was not taken lightly, he says, but came after he had discussed the likely fall-out with his wife, a civil servant who has suffered clinical depression attributed to the stress of the case. (However, Mrs Amaral had recovered sufficiently several months ago to pose on the beach for a Hello-style photo-shoot with her husband, for which they chose to wear matching white outfits).

'This case finished my career and the British newspapers just vilified me. I saw it was necessary to defend myself,' he told me, insisting that though he lost a third of his pension by resigning early, money was not a factor.

'If everything had gone properly, I wouldn't have needed to write the book. (But) it was a need for me to write a testimony of all that was done.

'That was my intention: to make public that part of the investigation that was unknown, and defend myself before all those who were saying the Policia Judiciaria (Portuguese police) were incompetent; that I was incompetent.'
Loss: Kate and Gerry McCann in the days after Madeleine's disappearance

Loss: Kate and Gerry McCann in the days after Madeleine's disappearance

Mindful-of the injunction, he declined to elaborate on his theories about Madeleine's disappearance. Whatever her fate that night, though, didn't he have some degree of sympathy for a couple who had lost their daughter?

'As a policeman I can't have sympathy or empathy because I have to be objective and leave my feelings apart,' he said.

'As a father, I sympathise with them and their pain and loss. It's not about blame or recrimination.'

This response is hardly convincing. As the case goes on, he will doubtless set aside his 'fatherly' sentiments to renew his damaging accusations.

Yet for all the torment the McCanns have endured this week (at one point, Madeleine's abduction was described as a 'fairytale' that saved them from prosecution for child neglect) and the harrowing accusations to come, they maintain they are right to fight this case.

'I'd like to remind everyone that the book is on trial - not Kate and I,' said Gerry.

While he believes in the principles of free speech, the rights of his family - including the daughter he and Kate steadfastly believe to be alive - have to be defended, too.

Though some will question the McCanns and their motives, according to the family's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, the hope that Madeleine will be found alive is the main reason they dragged themselves back this week to a country that offers them scant welcome and has brought so much heartache.

'Obviously they were aware some of the old allegations and charges by certain police officers would be rehashed, but they feel this was a case that just had to be brought,' he says.

'People won't believe she is alive if they read this book and that could stop them coming forward with vital new leads'

'They believe it's important not only for their good name and reputation, and the damage Mr Amaral continues to do to it, but also because his allegations are damaging their continuing search for Madeleine.

'People won't believe she is alive if they read this book and that could stop them coming forward with vital new leads.

'One of the things that greatly worries Kate and Gerry is this: if, as we now know, the Portuguese police did not investigate her disappearance properly from the outset because they didn't believe it had happened, then what has happened to all the information they received?'

What indeed? And assuming it was retained and is gathering dust in a police archive, might it conceal that one little clue upon which Kate and Gerry's hopes rest?

The clue which, if meticulously examined, could bring back their little girl after so many false dawns?

Even if this is only a remote possibility, surely it should be explored - but not by a flashy detective who is so cocksure he knows all the answers he can't see beyond his own giant ego.

• Additional reporting by Vanessa Allen

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1243596/Shes-terrifyingly-hes-boiling-rage-So-HAVE-McCanns-trial.html#ixzz0ciSScYKz

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Post  MaryB on Fri 15 Jan - 20:57

I knew the minute the court proceedings had stopped the spin and rubbish would start. Only it works less and less each time. Nobody is listening.

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Post  Susan on Fri 15 Jan - 21:04

MaryB wrote:I knew the minute the court proceedings had stopped the spin and rubbish would start. Only it works less and less each time. Nobody is listening.

Oh but they are listening......

This idiot has just advertised Goncalo Amaral's 2 books

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Post  dazedandconfused on Fri 15 Jan - 21:09

Do they really believe this shite that they write?

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Post  fred on Fri 15 Jan - 21:13

Well what a well balance report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 How can they print this total shite?

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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 15 Jan - 21:14

Utter effin' bollox!

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Post  Roasted Arizona on Fri 15 Jan - 21:17

Well, he's right on two counts...

She is terrifyingly thin - always has been though - you only need to look at pictures of her before May 3rd and indeed on May4th when she was wearing those horrendous check trousers.

And he is boiling with rage - and I suspect this isn't new for him either. One look at Kate's arms and that picture of him scowling (on a bike I think) will show that same rage.

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Post  lynn on Fri 15 Jan - 21:28

These two are looking more and more like they have seen off Madeleine, but how. Unbelieveable behaviour, but, the more they do what they are doing now the more people will watch to see what they do next. Someone will surely spill the beans now. Has Kate got a problem? She sure has a conscience.

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Legal fees 15 times libel payout in McCann PR libel case

Post  Annabel on Fri 15 Jan - 22:27

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=44906&c=1


Legal fees 15 times libel payout in McCann PR libel case

15 January 2010

By Dominic Ponsford, PA Mediapoint

Lawyers for a PR woman who sued The People have claimed more than 15 times her libel damages in costs.

PR strategist for the Find Madeleine Fund Justine McGuinness, operating on a no-win, no-fee Conditional Fee Agreement, sued The People over a story which appeared in October 2007, and settled with the statement in open court on October claiming £5,000 in damages. It has now emerged that her lawyers LLP have presented Mirror Group Newspapers with a costs bill of £78,000.

The costs have been ramped under controversial no win, no fee rules in libel cases which allow claimant lawyers to charge up to a 100 per cent success fee to compensate them for the risk of failure.

Yesterday Lord Justice Jackson published the final report in his Review of Costs in Civil Litigation in which he said these success fees should be scrapped because they have become grossly disproportianate to the level of damages awarded.

Justice Secretary Jack Straw has promised a wholesale review of UK libel law tackling the issue no win, no fee.

In the McGuinness case The People wrongly alleged that she overcharged the fund set up to find missing Madeleine McCann, who disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in a Portuguese resort in May 2007.

It is understood that as part of the settlement, Mirror Group Newspapers (MGN), publisher of the People, paid damages of £5,000 to a charity of Ms McGuinness' choosing, and agreed to pay her legal costs.

The newspaper's own costs amounted to less than £15,000 - but London-based international law firm Withers LLP has presented MGN with a schedule of costs totalling £78,000.

Executives at MGN are understood to believe that the costs Withers are seeking are excessive.

But the law firm today defended its position, saying the costs were reasonable and properly incurred, given that the case took two years to settle.

It is understood that the total costs include sums accrued by the solicitor at the client's previous firm before the solicitor and the case moved to Withers.

A spokesman for the firm said: "In October 2007, the defendants published a very serious libel about Ms McGuinness which went to the heart of her professional and personal reputation.

"Obtaining a fulsome apology was her primary concern and in the absence of an apology from the defendants, she had no option but to take legal action to remedy that reputation. This was ultimately achieved; a statement in open court was read on 16 October 2009 and the apology published on 18 October 2009.

"Ms McGuinness was represented under a CFA and Withers made special provision for the client to continue to be represented under a CFA, although CFAs are not usual at the firm, in order to provide consistency for the client when the solicitor with conduct of her case, joined Withers.

"We consider the costs to be entirely reasonable and properly and proportionately incurred, in respect of a case of this length, highly dependent on the evidence and of significant importance to the client.

"Withers has in any event, agreed to the usual process of assessment during which the level of the costs will be independently considered."

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I won't worry or care...

Post  Judge Dread on Fri 15 Jan - 23:29

... what the papers say any more!

I haven't physically bought a paper for almost two years.

Not just because of their shameful and disgraceful McCann bias but more for the fact that there is no proper journalism anymore.

Investigative journalism in particular is now dead and gone, replaced by lazy, 'cut and paste' reporters and sycophantic and arrogant columnists who can get away with saying whatever they want to say without fear of redress or reprisal.

I believe I am not the only one who has given up buying newspapers. It's a growing trend. Most people will use the web, news blogs or other electronic methods for scouring the news.

The McCann's can count themselves as being extremely unfortunate in this regard since it is now quite easy for people to seek out and discover both sides of the coin regarding the Maddie case.

And that is precisely what folk are doing!

Over the past two and a half years, despite what has been written in the papers, the tide of public opinion the world over has overwhelmingly turned against the McCann's

So, I won't worry or care what the papers say any more.

Thanks to the Internet, the real truth is out there for all to see!

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Post  the one and only big_l on Fri 15 Jan - 23:31

as me old maw used to say the only thing to believed in a newspaper was the date.

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Post  Judge Dread on Fri 15 Jan - 23:39

the one and only big_l wrote:as me old maw used to say the only thing to believed in a newspaper was the date.


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Post  Guest on Fri 15 Jan - 23:45

With you there Judge.

TV news is much the same.

I you need to know facts, go seek!!!!!

Eventually I suppose, the blogs etc will move from fact to gush. But that will be their demise. Then on to the next medium.

Thank heavens for the relative few people who put principle before popularity.

Big l - spot on as usual.

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Post  the one and only big_l on Fri 15 Jan - 23:46

bert wrote:With you there Judge.

TV news is much the same.

I you need to know facts, go seek!!!!!

Eventually I suppose, the blogs etc will move from fact to gush. But that will be their demise. Then on to the next medium.

Thank heavens for the relative few people who put principle before popularity.

Big l - spot on as usual.

Have a great weekend.
and a great weekend to you too bert

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Post  tanszi on Fri 15 Jan - 23:47

Stopped buying newspapers directly because of the biased reporting on the McCann case.

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Post  Ang on Fri 15 Jan - 23:48

Yes, the internet has been their downfall. Years ago it would have been in the papers and then was next seen wrapping fish and chips. Everyone would have forgotten about it unless there were further developments in the case. Gerry must have thought his blogs early on would be a money spinner and they were but now it's turned against him as they are a record of his deceit, leaving a record and clues how their minds were working at the time - not good for them. Like how you can jog and beat your own time - foolish to say the least.

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Post  Guest on Sat 16 Jan - 0:08

I'll fight along side him, any of you students of history want to enlighten us about the precursors of the Spanish Cival War. ?

The internatianal brigade ?




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Post  Guest on Sat 16 Jan - 0:10

sans_souci wrote:In my view, this is an empty threat. The E Convention H R, and the Portuguese Constitution, do not guarantee an unrestricted right to freedom of expression.

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ARTICLE 10
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or the rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
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The E Court H R is an independent recourse to provide a remedy against state interference in the fundamental rights of a citizen. It is not an appeal court if the result of a civil action is not to your liking, and in my view the council would not allow it to be used as such.

In essence, Amaral wrote a book making certain accusations. The McCanns did not like it and have brought a libel action against him. This is being played out in court, in terms of the injunction and the libel case itself. The court will decide whether the book / documentary etc are libellous or not and pass judgement accordingly. Both sides will have the right to appeal to the supreme court in due course. .

Your SCUM, I know it , you know it, everyone knows it.

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Post  Guest on Sat 16 Jan - 0:26

hobnob wrote:it may be hard to dispute the actual wording of one article but when the media are all writing the exact same quote and showing the same tv clips it is very hard to dispute what was said.
their only recourse would be it was taken out of context or they were under pressure and slipped up. none of which would stand up to scrutiny in court.
Once you say something in front of another person it cannot be unsaid and when you say it in front of the press then the whole world will see what you said.and they have never demanded the papers print an apology for printing an untruth regarding that statement.
Once again kate opens mouth before engaging brain, no wonder gerry doesn't like leaving her alone.he is terrified that she will drop them right in it

" If she's dead, she's dead" said Clarence PR VULTURE of DEATH

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Post  Guest on Sat 16 Jan - 0:42

I wouldn't buy a newspaper now unless it comes with a fish supper inside it.

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Post  Guest on Sat 16 Jan - 0:44

JONES or his compadre ROSE, in the press corps have " form " with the spooks, IIRC.

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