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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:08

"We made a mistake by leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment, and we have to live with that. We can't change it," Mr McCann said.

Only you didn't leave her alone, Gerry, now did you. You left her to babysit her two younger siblings. Some "mistake".

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:10

T4two

I understand what you are saying but it"s a huge decision for Amaral on whether the injunction is lifted so if he
is playing games with Gerry it"s very childish. If I was him I would not be giving anyone cause to think I was
not taking the Hearing seriously.

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:10

The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:11

He added that although the testimony had favoured Mr Amaral's version of events, it still had not produced any evidence Madeleine was dead.


Was it meant to? Did I miss something? I thought it was meant to discuss whether or not a book was libellous.

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Post  the one and only big_l on Wed 13 Jan - 17:12

Laffin Assasin wrote:
The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?
well LA being a devout catholic that would mean lying under oath

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:13

That's why we carry on. We have other children who miss Madeleine dearly."
3 minutes ago from web

"I hope that everyone remembers that there is a little girl missing that still has to be found," Mr McCann continued.
4 minutes ago from web

He also rejected the testimony yesterday that Kate had had a dream about Madeleine lying buried somewhere, saying "that never happened

I think we missed these few Gems out

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Post  Susan on Wed 13 Jan - 17:13

Laffin Assasin wrote:
The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?

He has had to go and make this face saving statement to the press as he's losing the battle inside the courts....

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 13 Jan - 17:14

5.01: jondipaolo:
Mr McCann added that mistakes were made during the investigation that now cannot be righted - but that was not the point of the court case.

5.04: jondipaolo:
"We made a mistake by leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment, and we have to live with that. We can't change it," Mr McCann said.

5.04: jondipaolo:
He also rejected the testimony yesterday that Kate had had a dream about Madeleine lying buried somewhere, saying "that never happened"..

5.07: jondipaolo:
"I hope that everyone remembers that there is a little girl missing that still has to be found," Mr McCann continued.

5.07: Twitter
jondipaolo:
"That's why we carry on. We have other children who miss Madeleine dearly."

5.09: jondipaolo:
He added that although the testimony had favoured Mr Amaral's version of events, it still had not produced any evidence Madeleine was dead.

5.10: jondipaolo:
Mr McCann also rejected the charge that the trial was a bid to restrict freedom of speech, as has been claimed by Mr Amaral's supporters.

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:15

Laffin Assasin wrote:
The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?

Because there is no useful publicity in that, Laffin. He stormed out of the courtroom and held an improptu press conference outside to get all the reporters to follow him out, and draw the focus away from what was actually happening in the court. The man simply cannot stand not being the centre of attention.

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Post  Susan on Wed 13 Jan - 17:15

Harvesmom wrote:
"I hope that everyone remembers that there is a little girl missing that still has to be found," Mr McCann continued.
4 minutes ago from web



We know there are MANY children missing all over the world and they need to be found too!

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/all-countries-c26/

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:17

Laffin Assasin wrote:
The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?

Kate probably said to him, go and make friends with those reporters you pee'd off this morning on your way out darling, you know what they can be like if you upset them

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Post  the one and only big_l on Wed 13 Jan - 17:18

Harvesmom wrote:
Laffin Assasin wrote:
The Famous Grouse wrote:Why doesn't the man just STFU, he is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself every time he opens his mouth!

Why does he spout all this to cameras but not from the witness box ?

Kate probably said to him, go and make friends with those reporters you pee'd off this morning on your way out darling, you know what they can be like if you upset them

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Susan on Wed 13 Jan - 17:18

5.09: jondipaolo:
He added that although the testimony had favoured Mr Amaral's version of events, it still had not produced any evidence Madeleine was dead.



I hope they can prove Maddie is alive..... Gerry.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  quickfingers on Wed 13 Jan - 17:33

What's happened with the reporting? Maybe Jon is now outside the court after chasing Gerry and can't get back in again?

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Post  contrary on Wed 13 Jan - 17:36

I hope he's not going home to treat any patients as with his mood as it is, it could prove dangerous!

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:37

Gerry being so nasty to the press on the way into court and his changed attitude when he held his ' impromptu ' press conference on his way out of court has shown him in his true light character-wise to the world and the media. It will have also shown them how manipulative he can be and that can only be a good thing as this may cause the press to start to dig a little deeper into this man and his actions since May 3rd 2007. IMHO.

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Post  hollie4 on Wed 13 Jan - 17:40

Once again thank you for all the updates

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:40

quickfingers wrote:What's happened with the reporting? Maybe Jon is now outside the court after chasing Gerry and can't get back in again?

This is a perfect example of exactly whats been wrong with this case from day one. Idiot journalists, listening to PR and idle gossip, rather than foccusing on facts. For Sky News, reporting the lies of a chid negecter is clearly more iportant than anything a court of law might have to say.

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:43

I dont belliieevve it! He's done it again. Half 5 and he legs it.

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Post  contrary on Wed 13 Jan - 17:44

Hopefully the Express will do a repeat of today's headlines tomorrow

It was a pleasant surprise today to see the paper spreading the word for all and sundry to see!

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  tanszi on Wed 13 Jan - 17:46

Precisely, now hes saying that the police person who said he received a call from Kate saying she had a dream she was dead........................ is not telling the truth as it never happened,

So away from the court, and to the whole world he is saying this person is lying. Hes leaving the country and leaving Kate to deal with the fall out. Why didnt he ask his Solicitor to follow up on that point, and not make a statement to the Press?

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  quickfingers on Wed 13 Jan - 17:50

I'm sure it will have been recorded somewhere by the officer taking the call. How does Gerry know anyway as he was away when Kate made the call wasn't he?

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  hobnob on Wed 13 Jan - 17:53

the transcript of todays court proceedings

9:54 jondipaolo: Kate and gerry mcann are sitting outside the court, only a few yards away from where mr amaral and his team are standing.

9:59 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann outside court: we've heard no evidence madeleine is dead.

10:00 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: we're not denying the existence of the dogs, or anything else. It's evidence we're interested in.

10:02 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: this is the legal process we're going through to protect our daughter. We're looking for more information to help the search.

10:03 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: anyone else with children would do the same.

10:15 jondipaolo: Mr amaral claimed victory outside court, saying the witnesses had borne out his argument.

10:38 jondipaolo: We're back in court. The first witness is moita flores, former senior policeman and noted public figure

10:41 jondipaolo: Flores: this case involves a question of freedom of speech.

10:44 jondipaolo: Flores is an acquaintance of amaral's and wrote the preface to the sequel to his book about madeleine.

10:50 jondipaolo: Flores: PJ investigation was based on well-established principles of police work adhered to all over the world.

10:54 jondipaolo: Flores: mcanns have been trying to convince police since the beginning that abduction was the only line of inquiry worth pursuing.

11:02 jondipaolo: Flores: I have spoken to respected experts on crime and none of them agrees it would be possible to pass a child through the window

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: It is not possible to ask an investigator anywhere in the free world to follow the abduction line only.

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: We would all like to find Madeleine alive, but that is another thing.

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: Our constitutional rights cannot be attacked.

11:05 jondipaolo: Flores: The good name of the McCann family is not attacked by Mr Amaral's book. The book is about the investigation.

11:11 jondipaolo: As on the first day of the case, the McCanns are sitting on the front bench, listening impassively to the proceedings

11:12 jondipaolo: Flores: No judge should be able to order people not to think about a case just because the police investigation has ceased,

11:17 jondipaolo: Flores: No-one should be allowed to steal our constitutional rights - rights that were very hard to win. That is what this trial is about.

11:24 jondipaolo: Mr Flores is being cross-examined by a lawyer from a Portuguese television company that aired a documentary based on Mr Amaral's book.

11:26 jondipaolo: Flores: It is not true to say that the police only pursued the line of inquiry that the McCanns were guilty.

11:26 jondipaolo: Flores: Many, many hours were spend by officers checking out every other possible line of inquiry.

11:27 jondipaolo: Flores: A detective has to think about what went through the head of the victim and the criminal.

11:30 jondipaolo: Flores: It would have been a very stupid person who tried to pass a sleeping child through the window of the McCanns' holiday flat.

11:30 jondipaolo: Flores: The theory about passing the child through the window makes it seem as though someone is trying to fool the police.

11:41 jondipaolo: The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte , is repeating the same question to Mr Flores. Yesterday, she became quite impassioned on their behalf.

11:42 jondipaolo: The McCanns are both in conversation with their interpreters. Gerry however looks relaxed and smiles as he talks.

11:47 jondipaolo: Flores: I worked in a different part of the police to Mr Amaral but I know him from the investigation and I respect him a lot.

12:00 jondipaolo: Isabel Duarte, the McCanns' top lawyer, leaves the bench and approaches the couple for a quick huddled chat before returning to the fray.

12:04 jondipaolo: Flores: This case is pathetic. A citizen is being prevented from freely expressing his opinions in a reponsible way.

12:06 jondipaolo: Flores: The McCanns have every right to do everything they can beyond what the Portuguese police did in order to find their daughter.

12:12 jondipaolo: Flores: The documentary (based on Mr Amaral's) book is a hypothesis that believers take to be the truth.

12:13 jondipaolo: Flores: The book is autobiographical, it traces a period of Mr Amaral's life.

12:16 jondipaolo: Flores: Sections of the British media spread propaganda about Mr Amaral.

12:20 jondipaolo: Glamorous judge Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues halts the cross-examination of Mr Flores by the McCanns' lawyer, saying it is not relevant.

12:22 jondipaolo: Flores: It was a scandal to see such nasty portraits painted of the Portuguese investigators by the British media.

12:27 jondipaolo: Flores: Mr Amaral was the victim of a smear campain. He is a good professional with a good technical background

12:27 jondipaolo: Flores: Mr Amaral was the co-ordinator of the investigation. He was not in the field.

12:40 jondipaolo: Duarte: What does the title of the book (by Mr Amaral) mean? Flores: The book is a thesis, not the absolute truth.

12:41 jondipaolo: The proceedings have adjourned for lunch. Back in an hour's time.

2:30 jondipaolo: Waiting outside the courtroom for the afternoon's proceedings to begin. Mr Amaral is here too, chatting on a mobile phone.

2:41 jondipaolo: We're back in the courtroom, as are the legal teams, Mr Amaral and the McCanns. No sign of the judge yet though.

2:42 jondipaolo: We're expecting to hear from three witnesses involved in the publishing of the book this afternoon.

2:57 jondipaolo: Judge Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues has arrived, so the afternoon's proceedings can begin.

3:00 jondipaolo: Jose Manuel Enes, a former forensic laboratory chief in the Portuguese police, is the next witness.

3:00 jondipaolo: Mr Enes is giving evidence in person, rather than via video link as Mr Flores did this morning.

3:00 jondipaolo: Mr Enes has an associateship in chemistry and a doctorate in anthropology, but has now retired from the police force.

3:04 jondipaolo: Mr Enes was interviewed by a Portuguese journalist for a book about Madeleine's disappearance

3:12 jondipaolo: Mr Enes says that the immense media interest in the Madeleine case was unhelpful for the investigators trying to solve it.

3:13 jondipaolo: Mr Enes compared the Madeleine McCann case to that of OJ Simpson, saying that allegations of contamination of evidence had compromised it.

3:15 jondipaolo: Mr Enes' phone has just gone off, drawing laughter from the court. The judge is smiling too as the clerk has to turn it off for him

3:15 jondipaolo: Mr Enes tells the court he has been called to give evidence in several courts and

3:17 jondipaolo: Sorry, that tweet should have read: Mr Enes tells the court he has been called to give evidence in several other cases as an expert witness.

3:17 jondipaolo: Mr Enes says his conclusions are often relied upon completely by the courts in which he gives evidence.

3:22 jondipaolo: Mr Enes: I strongly respect the convictions and work of Mr Amaral.

3:22 jondipaolo: Mr Amaral has suddenly got up and walked out of the courtroom, causing a murmur among the onlookers on the public benches.

3:37 jondipaolo: Mr Amaral has left the court building, stopping to give a few comments in Portuguese before climbing into a waiting car.

3:39 jondipaolo: Mr Amaral said he was pleased with Mr Flores' testimony earlier, adding that for the first time it had been explained why he wrote the book.

3:39 jondipaolo: Mr Amaral added that he wrote the book to protect his honour and set the record straight.

3:40 jondipaolo: The former policeman said what he described as a campaign against him in the British press is continuing.

3:40 jondipaolo: He added that he had only this morning been described as 'incompetent' in one British newspaper.

3:43 jondipaolo: Right. Back to the courtroom. Mr Enes is still giving evidence.

3:45 jondipaolo: Mr Enes says the Madeleine investigation was the victim of 'friendly fire' from the media that hampered its course.

3:47 jondipaolo: Mr Enes says that just because people put forward their own theories, it does not prevent other lines of inquiry being investigated

3:49 jondipaolo: Mr Enes: Some parts of the book were put too strongly - it's not the way I would have done it, but that's because I'm from another era...

3:49 jondipaolo: ...the course of justice should not be diverted by books or films, it should be deaf and blind to them.

3:52 jondipaolo: Mr Enes has left the witness stand, and has been replaced by Mario Sena Lopes, former chief editor at the book's publisher, Guerra e Paz

4:01 jondipaolo: Mr Lopes tells the court that Mr Amaral's book had been ready to publish in the last week of July 2008

4:01 jondipaolo: The book was published very quickly to take most advantage of marketing opportunities, the court hears.

4:05 jondipaolo: The marketing plan for the book was much smaller than normal, because we are a small publisher, Mr Lopes tells the court.

4:46 jondipaolo: Sorry about the pause - we had a brief intermission during which Gerry McCann left the court.

4:47 jondipaolo: Mr McCann held an impromptu press conference outside the front of the court where he was beseiged by journalists' questions.

4:50 jondipaolo: He explained that he was leaving the court case as he had unavoidable work commitments in the UK, but that Kate would stay on until the end.

4:50 jondipaolo: Despite the avalanche of testimony favouring Mr Amaral over the past two days, Mr McCann seemed to be quite upbeat.

4:50 jondipaolo: "I think it's important that things have been debated in a court of law," he told reporters.

4:50 jondipaolo: "From our point of view, what happened here in the past few days is to be expected."

4:58 jondipaolo: "I think it's particularly disappointing that the police officers who considered us responsible for Madeleine's disappearance...

4:59 jondipaolo: "...are the same officers that we are depending on to carry on the search for Madeleine."

4:59 jondipaolo: "The search for Madeleine is ongoing. We don't have any leads and we need to keep searching."

5:01 jondipaolo: Mr McCann added that mistakes were made during the investigation that now cannot be righted - but that was not the point of the court case.

5:04 jondipaolo: "We made a mistake by leaving Madeleine alone in the apartment, and we have to live with that. We can't change it," Mr McCann said.

5:04 jondipaolo: He also rejected the testimony yesterday that Kate had had a dream about Madeleine lying buried somewhere, saying "that never happened"..

5:07 jondipaolo: "I hope that everyone remembers that there is a little girl missing that still has to be found," Mr McCann continued.

5:07 jondipaolo: "That's why we carry on. We have other children who miss Madeleine dearly."

5:09 jondipaolo: He added that although the testimony had favoured Mr Amaral's version of events, it still had not produced any evidence Madeleine was dead.

5:10 jondipaolo: Mr McCann also rejected the charge that the trial was a bid to restrict freedom of speech, as has been claimed by Mr Amaral's supporters.

5:41 jondipaolo: That's the last update from court for today. Back tomorrow morning.

ok thats the total for today back tommorow for day 3

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 17:58

tanszi wrote:Precisely, now hes saying that the police person who said he received a call from Kate saying she had a dream she was dead........................ is not telling the truth as it never happened,

So away from the court, and to the whole world he is saying this person is lying. Hes leaving the country and leaving Kate to deal with the fall out. Why didnt he ask his Solicitor to follow up on that point, and not make a statement to the Press?

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Paiva, the Liaison Officer would have filed a report so it would be easy to search the files for it. Gerry has a short fuse when it comes to criticism and this latest excuse not to face up to questioning will not go unnoticed.

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Post  oliver on Wed 13 Jan - 17:59

listen to the bloody SPEECH delivered by the slime ball as he leaves court - he just craves the spotlight

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