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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 0:58

Beattie wrote:
Photon wrote:
Beattie wrote:Lea

Yes unfortunately. If the injunction is not lifted it will mean effectively that he can never write anything concerning the disappearance of Madeleine......

But that injunction only applies to Portugal, not to other EU states nor rest of world. Surely he can write a 'different' book and publish outside Portugal??

Photon,
It would apply to the U.K. as well which is what the McCanns wanted. I think some EU Countries are still selling his book but not all. The current injunction tried to suggest that the book not be published anywhere , not just
Portugal but the Portugese have no right to suppress the sale of the book in every Country.

No, the injunction only applies in Portugal. The injunction prevents the copyright holder, that is the publishers, from selling that copyright on - my understanding from Portuguese posters elsewhere.

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Post  lea on Sun 7 Feb - 0:58

Beattie wrote:Amethyst

I hope your"e right and justice prevails. I wonder if the McCanns show up this time, with all the bad publicity
they have been getting with the "Party" and now Halligen, they may want to lie low for a while, especially since
they are not exactly flavour of the month in Portugal.

agree,wonder if the wonder couple will turn up,
will speak volumes if they dont.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 1:11

Photon,

I don"t understand the Legalities, but there must be a reason why the book is not Published in the U.K. and why
would all copies of the book and DVD be seized? I"m sure posters here have confirmed the book is still being
sold in their Country.

I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.

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Post  lea on Sun 7 Feb - 1:17

Beattie wrote:Photon,

I don"t understand the Legalities, but there must be a reason why the book is not Published in the U.K. and why
would all copies of the book and DVD be seized? I"m sure posters here have confirmed the book is still being
sold in their Country.

I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.

lets just hope the mccmucks are being played at their own game and they lose this case,
lets hope the judges are aware of the game the mccmucks are playing and backfire on them big time.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 1:23

lea wrote:
Beattie wrote:Photon,

I don"t understand the Legalities, but there must be a reason why the book is not Published in the U.K. and why
would all copies of the book and DVD be seized? I"m sure posters here have confirmed the book is still being
sold in their Country.

I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.

lets just hope the mccmucks are being played at their own game and they lose this case,
lets hope the judges are aware of the game the mccmucks are playing and backfire on them big time.

I share your hope and it will be very interesting to know what these two Witnesses have to say, I thought they
were Witnesses for the McCanns, but someone else said they are for Amaral, we shall see. I just hope sky
lay on the instant translation again.


On that note, I"ll say Goodnight to you all, see you tomorrow.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 1:24

Beattie wrote:Photon,

I don"t understand the Legalities, but there must be a reason why the book is not Published in the U.K. and why
would all copies of the book and DVD be seized? I"m sure posters here have confirmed the book is still being
sold in their Country.

I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.

The book is not published in UK because the copyright owners (the Portuguese publishers) are not allowed, by the injunction, to sell the copyright on to other publishers to enable them to publish it in their own language. The only copies of the book seized are those in Portugal. This is a country specific injunction.

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Post  lea on Sun 7 Feb - 1:26

Beattie wrote:
lea wrote:
Beattie wrote:Photon,

I don"t understand the Legalities, but there must be a reason why the book is not Published in the U.K. and why
would all copies of the book and DVD be seized? I"m sure posters here have confirmed the book is still being
sold in their Country.

I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.

lets just hope the mccmucks are being played at their own game and they lose this case,
lets hope the judges are aware of the game the mccmucks are playing and backfire on them big time.

I share your hope and it will be very interesting to know what these two Witnesses have to say, I thought they
were Witnesses for the McCanns, but someone else said they are for Amaral, we shall see. I just hope sky
lay on the instant translation again.


On that note, I"ll say Goodnight to you all, see you tomorrow.

goodnight beattie, i thought amaral had only one witness left,
sorry for questioning you about this but i dont have time to read all threads.

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Post  jimuck on Sun 7 Feb - 2:28

Mr Goncarlo Amaral cannot lose, if the appeal does not go his way ,then he will make a futher appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal, if he fails in this appeal and let down once again by the Portuguese system , what i believe he will then do is go on to the European Court of Human Rights.

And if he then proceeds to the court of Human Rights, which could take years, then i believe that should also prevent the libel case against Dr Amarals going ahead and thus preventing the MaCanns getting their dirty bloodied hands on the 1.200.000 million euro.

So if all above fails, which i think is highly unlikely, he could be put in a position where he has nothing else to lose and may come out all guns blazing, and may put the final nail in the MaCanns coffin.

To me he will bring the MaCanns down, it may take a bit of time but Goncarlo Amaral will have his day, WHY because he has the TRUTH on his side.

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Post  jassi on Sun 7 Feb - 11:07

lea wrote:For freedom of speech will this be the end?
no more information on this case?
seems hes the only one to question them,
will he be gagged from revealing any more information?
hes already said hes a lot more to reveal,
hope he is free to speak at the end of all this,
what do you think?
will he be able to write any more books to give us a bit more info on this case what he has not revealed so far?

If he loses, he can always employ a spokesperson to speak for him

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Post  fedrules on Sun 7 Feb - 12:10

jimuck wrote:Mr Goncarlo Amaral cannot lose, if the appeal does not go his way ,then he will make a futher appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal, if he fails in this appeal and let down once again by the Portuguese system , what i believe he will then do is go on to the European Court of Human Rights.

And if he then proceeds to the court of Human Rights, which could take years, then i believe that should also prevent the libel case against Dr Amarals going ahead and thus preventing the MaCanns getting their dirty bloodied hands on the 1.200.000 million euro.

So if all above fails, which i think is highly unlikely, he could be put in a position where he has nothing else to lose and may come out all guns blazing, and may put the final nail in the MaCanns coffin.

To me he will bring the MaCanns down, it may take a bit of time but Goncarlo Amaral will have his day, WHY because he has the TRUTH on his side.
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Hi Jmuck. I hope you're right. I don't believe in astrology, but I do believe that the truth about Maddie's disappearance will eventually come to the public's notice.The power of the internet makes it hard to hide the truth.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 12:22

fedrules wrote:
jimuck wrote:Mr Goncarlo Amaral cannot lose, if the appeal does not go his way ,then he will make a futher appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal, if he fails in this appeal and let down once again by the Portuguese system , what i believe he will then do is go on to the European Court of Human Rights.

And if he then proceeds to the court of Human Rights, which could take years, then i believe that should also prevent the libel case against Dr Amarals going ahead and thus preventing the MaCanns getting their dirty bloodied hands on the 1.200.000 million euro.

So if all above fails, which i think is highly unlikely, he could be put in a position where he has nothing else to lose and may come out all guns blazing, and may put the final nail in the MaCanns coffin.

To me he will bring the MaCanns down, it may take a bit of time but Goncarlo Amaral will have his day, WHY because he has the TRUTH on his side.
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Hi Jmuck. I hope you're right. I don't believe in astrology, but I do believe that the truth about Maddie's disappearance will eventually come to the public's notice.The power of the internet makes it hard to hide the
truth.

I hate to be a Job"s comforter, but If Amaral loses, where would he get the Finance to make all these appeals?

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Post  Lilemor on Sun 7 Feb - 13:05

jimuck wrote:Mr Goncarlo Amaral cannot lose, if the appeal does not go his way ,then he will make a futher appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal, if he fails in this appeal and let down once again by the Portuguese system , what i believe he will then do is go on to the European Court of Human Rights.

And if he then proceeds to the court of Human Rights, which could take years, then i believe that should also prevent the libel case against Dr Amarals going ahead and thus preventing the MaCanns getting their dirty bloodied hands on the 1.200.000 million euro.

So if all above fails, which i think is highly unlikely, he could be put in a position where he has nothing else to lose and may come out all guns blazing, and may put the final nail in the MaCanns coffin.

To me he will bring the MaCanns down, it may take a bit of time but Goncarlo Amaral will have his day, WHY because he has the TRUTH on his side.

I share your opinion.

Dr. Amaral is the speaker of the PJ in the Madeleine case.
Which can not be wrong or forbidden!!!

It would be very different if he would be definitely a bit dim/psychotic.

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Post  Faithlilly on Sun 7 Feb - 13:15

Sorry if this has been answered already ( I haven't had time to read the whole thread ) but if Amaral overturns the injunction will his book then be able to be published in the UK, supposing, of course, there is a publisher brave enough to do so ?

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 13:46

Faithlilly wrote:Sorry if this has been answered already ( I haven't had time to read the whole thread ) but if Amaral overturns the injunction will his book then be able to be published in the UK, supposing, of course, there is a publisher brave enough to do so ?

I would imagine he would be able to have the book published in the U.K. if he wins the Hearing. Whether the
McCanns want to go to Trial if they lose the Hearing is another matter. The McCanns are claiming the book has
caused suffering to their Family and will hamper the public "search " for Madeleine if people think she is dead.
If the Judge overturns the injunction on the "Freedom of Speech" argument which Amaral is claiming, then the U.K. Government could hardly ban the book because it would seem like Dictatorship by refusing the people the
right to read it.

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Post  margaret on Sun 7 Feb - 13:49

Haven't read whole thread but no it won't be the end, too few McCann supporters and too many questions to answer. This is the beginning of the end!

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Post  kitti on Sun 7 Feb - 13:50

jassi wrote:
lea wrote:For freedom of speech will this be the end?
no more information on this case?
seems hes the only one to question them,
will he be gagged from revealing any more information?
hes already said hes a lot more to reveal,
hope he is free to speak at the end of all this,
what do you think?
will he be able to write any more books to give us a bit more info on this case what he has not revealed so far?

If he loses, he can always employ a spokesperson to speak for him



Yes jassis, amaral may not be able to utter another word about this case but it is NOT forbidden for his friends to comment on it.


Dont forget, the gagging order is NOT to prevent the book being aired as it has come from the original police files, its to prevent amaral from saying what ISNT in the book that is worrying the mccanns.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 13:55

Beattie wrote:
I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.



I see it a different way. I see it as he is saying that he want give up for Madeleine and the truth. Warning both parties that he wont roll over. I think it shows conviction and confidence in what he believes and knows.

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 14:05

vengefulangel wrote:
Beattie wrote:
I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.



I see it a different way. I see it as he is saying that he want give up for Madeleine and the truth. Warning both parties that he wont roll over. I think it shows conviction and confidence in what he believes and knows.


There are two sides to a coin, so let"s agree to differ, but both agree we hope he wins the Hearing.

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Post  jimuck on Sun 7 Feb - 15:13

Beattie wrote:
fedrules wrote:
jimuck wrote:Mr Goncarlo Amaral cannot lose, if the appeal does not go his way ,then he will make a futher appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal, if he fails in this appeal and let down once again by the Portuguese system , what i believe he will then do is go on to the European Court of Human Rights.

And if he then proceeds to the court of Human Rights, which could take years, then i believe that should also prevent the libel case against Dr Amarals going ahead and thus preventing the MaCanns getting their dirty bloodied hands on the 1.200.000 million euro.

So if all above fails, which i think is highly unlikely, he could be put in a position where he has nothing else to lose and may come out all guns blazing, and may put the final nail in the MaCanns coffin.

To me he will bring the MaCanns down, it may take a bit of time but Goncarlo Amaral will have his day, WHY because he has the TRUTH on his side.
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Hi Jmuck. I hope you're right. I don't believe in astrology, but I do believe that the truth about Maddie's disappearance will eventually come to the public's notice.The power of the internet makes it hard to hide the
truth.

I hate to be a Job"s comforter, but If Amaral loses, where would he get the Finance to make all these appeals?


Financial restriction should play no part in a persons right to go to court to defend his basic human right of freedom of speech , i believe its up to the Portuguese state to provide him with all necessary financial assistance to defend himself .

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Post  Guest on Sun 7 Feb - 15:35

Beattie wrote:
vengefulangel wrote:
Beattie wrote:
I don"t think Amaral did himself any favours by saying he was prepared to go to the Court of Human rights if
the injunction is not lifted. It would appear like a threat to the Judge in my opinion.Trouble is, the first Judge
gave the injunction order without investigating properly because Amaral should have been allowed to defend
the book then.



I see it a different way. I see it as he is saying that he want give up for Madeleine and the truth. Warning both parties that he wont roll over. I think it shows conviction and confidence in what he believes and knows.


There are two sides to a coin, so let"s agree to differ, but both agree we hope he wins the Hearing.

Absolutely, well worded. Thank you

Although, (here I go again ) my heart and my money wants GA to win, I have to say right from the get go unless new evidence is brought up I feel that this wont happen. Under s.12 Human Rights Act - "No injunction should granted unless the court is satisfied that the applicant is finally likely to be able to establish that publication should not be allowed".
I just hope the things that GA hasnt said yet can be said, it feels to me that there is some pressure from the uk on this, could be very wrong. I see CEOP still favour the mcs version even after the lovely conference!

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Post  Lilemor on Sun 7 Feb - 16:08

IF Dr. Amaral would continue to fight for freedom of speech and take this matter to the ECOHR, the McCanns would NOT get their money ???
WOW!

They would not get the money but they would have to fear uncomfortable questionings inside one of the ECOHR-chambers...
Perhaps in front of the cameras?

I must say the McCanns are really unlucky with Eddie, Keela, Dr. Amaral and "his" PJ...

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Post  Lilemor on Sun 7 Feb - 16:11

Do you think that Dr. Amaral does know much more than he is allowed to let out????

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Post  Alpine Aster on Sun 7 Feb - 16:12

The Judge could say that the Title of the Book has to be changed and other things as she has talked about the Title.

The Judge cannot make a ruling that affect's every Country in the World.

Mr Amaral will not stop whatever happen's, the McCann's know that Mr Amaral know's and Mr Amaral knows that they know he know's, Mr Amaral is a threat and a huge thorn in their side and they want to silence him.

The very Book and content's of that Book they wanted banned, has now been talked about more than it ever would, and it's like the forbidden fruit it will make People want to read the book and try to obtain the Book, perhaps People that were not that interested before that is Human Nature.

If Mr Amaral does have other evidence up his sleeve, then this will be the time for him to try and get the Case reopened with that evidence, because the McCann's have tried to destroy him his Reputation, his Family must have been under a lot of pressure, the McCann's are trying to ruin Mr Amaral Financially, and no Man who he has evidence he is keeping back will let a happen to his Family and himself.

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Post  margaret on Sun 7 Feb - 16:13

Lilemor wrote:Do you think that Dr. Amaral does know much more than he is allowed to let out????

Yes. And I also believe there is stuff that isn't even in the files.

Didn't the Mcs have extra pages that weren't in the files??

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Post  Lilemor on Mon 8 Feb - 12:32

Margaret, I hope that the McCanns did not get the precious "withheld" evidence.
I hope they can only guess...

Or they also could have a secret middleman who passes ALL information to them.
Uncomfortable for them, at least, I would say.

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