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Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 21:32

Antoinette wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Antoinette I really admire you! As always you think about everyone else even with all the suffering you have gone through this last week!

Hopefully this warning may save a few babies!

If my suffering will save even 1 baby it will be worth it. I had to highlight this as I cannot sit here and do nothing. Apart from posting it here I have emailed all politicians in Ireland as well as every maternity hospital and colleges. Hopefully even 1 doctor ( i cant see the politicians listening) looks into this it will be worth the time and energy highlighting it

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Well done for spreading the message.

That vaccine wasn't tested properly, IMHO.

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Post  renoir on Thu 25 Feb - 21:41

A tragic story. I'm so sorry.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 25 Feb - 21:43

Laffin Assasin wrote:
Antoinette wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Antoinette I really admire you! As always you think about everyone else even with all the suffering you have gone through this last week!

Hopefully this warning may save a few babies!

If my suffering will save even 1 baby it will be worth it. I had to highlight this as I cannot sit here and do nothing. Apart from posting it here I have emailed all politicians in Ireland as well as every maternity hospital and colleges. Hopefully even 1 doctor ( i cant see the politicians listening) looks into this it will be worth the time and energy highlighting it

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Well done for spreading the message.

That vaccine wasn't tested properly, IMHO.

It didn't go through the normal testing protocols, which was why the government accepted responsibility for adverse reactions. Instead of being tested on thousands of people across age bands and health status, it was tested on a few hundred people. In the 38 page information leaflet, which I can't find at the moment, there are various instances where it states no information available for various groups. This is where it wasn't tested.

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Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 21:45

AnnaEsse wrote:
Laffin Assasin wrote:
Antoinette wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Antoinette I really admire you! As always you think about everyone else even with all the suffering you have gone through this last week!

Hopefully this warning may save a few babies!

If my suffering will save even 1 baby it will be worth it. I had to highlight this as I cannot sit here and do nothing. Apart from posting it here I have emailed all politicians in Ireland as well as every maternity hospital and colleges. Hopefully even 1 doctor ( i cant see the politicians listening) looks into this it will be worth the time and energy highlighting it

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Well done for spreading the message.

That vaccine wasn't tested properly, IMHO.

It didn't go through the normal testing protocols, which was why the government accepted responsibility for adverse reactions. Instead of being tested on thousands of people across age bands and health status, it was tested on a few hundred people. In the 38 page information leaflet, which I can't find at the moment, there are various instances where it states no information available for various groups. This is where it wasn't tested.

If you do find this can you pass it onto me please.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 25 Feb - 21:58

Antoinette wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Laffin Assasin wrote:
Antoinette wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Antoinette I really admire you! As always you think about everyone else even with all the suffering you have gone through this last week!

Hopefully this warning may save a few babies!

If my suffering will save even 1 baby it will be worth it. I had to highlight this as I cannot sit here and do nothing. Apart from posting it here I have emailed all politicians in Ireland as well as every maternity hospital and colleges. Hopefully even 1 doctor ( i cant see the politicians listening) looks into this it will be worth the time and energy highlighting it

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Well done for spreading the message.

That vaccine wasn't tested properly, IMHO.

It didn't go through the normal testing protocols, which was why the government accepted responsibility for adverse reactions. Instead of being tested on thousands of people across age bands and health status, it was tested on a few hundred people. In the 38 page information leaflet, which I can't find at the moment, there are various instances where it states no information available for various groups. This is where it wasn't tested.

If you do find this can you pass it onto me please.

I will, Antoinette. The link I had isn't working. I have found a leaflet, which is now only 31 pages.

http://www.i-c-a-p.org/GSK_Pandemrix.pdf

Note 4.6: "No data have been generated in pregnant women with Pandemrix or with any other vaccine that contains the AS03 adjuvant."

The above means it hasn't been tested for pregnant women.

I had a link here to the 38 page info leaflet, but it's not working.

http://hpvandothervaccines.blogspot.com/2009/10/swine-flu-looking-more-closely-at.html

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Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 21:59

AnnaEsse wrote:
Antoinette wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Laffin Assasin wrote:
Antoinette wrote:

If my suffering will save even 1 baby it will be worth it. I had to highlight this as I cannot sit here and do nothing. Apart from posting it here I have emailed all politicians in Ireland as well as every maternity hospital and colleges. Hopefully even 1 doctor ( i cant see the politicians listening) looks into this it will be worth the time and energy highlighting it

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Well done for spreading the message.

That vaccine wasn't tested properly, IMHO.

It didn't go through the normal testing protocols, which was why the government accepted responsibility for adverse reactions. Instead of being tested on thousands of people across age bands and health status, it was tested on a few hundred people. In the 38 page information leaflet, which I can't find at the moment, there are various instances where it states no information available for various groups. This is where it wasn't tested.

If you do find this can you pass it onto me please.

I will, Antoinette. The link I had isn't working. I have found a leaflet, which is now only 31 pages.

http://www.i-c-a-p.org/GSK_Pandemrix.pdf

Note 4.6: "No data have been generated in pregnant women with Pandemrix or with any other vaccine that contains the AS03 adjuvant."

The above means it hasn't been tested for pregnant women.

I had a link here to the 38 page info leaflet, but it's not working.

http://hpvandothervaccines.blogspot.com/2009/10/swine-flu-looking-more-closely-at.html

The second link worked for me. Thank you.

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Switzerland Forbids 'Swine Flu' Vaccine For Pregnant Women, Young and Old!

Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 22:13

on 01/11/2009 by NW0.eu in Health, Comments Off


Swissmedic, the authority in Switzerland that gives permission for the use of drugs, today announced that the “swine flu” vaccine Pandemrix will not be allowed to be injected into pregnant women, children or young adults (below 18 years of age) or elderly (above 60 years of age).

The very same vaccine is now injected through an unprecedented mass vaccination campaign into hundreds of thousands if not millions of people in Sweden. No restrictions are made in Sweden and the authorities there express surprise about the Swiss decision. “There is no reason to make such a decision here in Sweden”, says Jan liliemark, a professor working for the national Medical Products Agency. The many deaths so far in Sweden from this vaccine are “still under investigation”.

Unfortunately, the people of Switzerland will still be injected with the deadly adjuvant squalene and the mercury thiomersal through another “swine flu” vaccine, namely the poisonous Focetria.’

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Pregnant women and swine flu vaccine

Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 22:14

By Fiachra O Cionnaith

Wednesday, July 22, 2009



THE imminent swine flu vaccine may not be "suitable" for pregnant women, a leading Irish expert has admitted.



Speaking before the first human trials of a potential vaccine were due to take place in Australia today, Dr Sam Coulter Smith, master of the Rotunda Hospital, said women should not be unduly concerned by international calls for them to delay pregnancy until after the pandemic.

However, he added that it was not clear whether the upcoming swine flu vaccine – which is expected to become available in September – would be safe for pregnant women to use.

"I can’t answer the question on whether it [the vaccine] is suitable for pregnant women," said Dr Coulter Smith.

"This has been a relatively mild illness and you get over it quickly, but there have been a few rare cases where there have been maternal deaths," he added.

Pregnant women are advised to take Relenza instead of Tamiflu if they have been infected with swine flu, as the inhaler drug does not have the same impact on pregnancy.

However, concerns have been raised over whether drug manufacturers will be able to develop similar protective measures in the upcoming vaccine.

News of the continuing lack of clarity over the potential side-affects of swine flu medicines for pregnant women came after the World Health Organisation (WHO) said the number of people to die worldwide as a result of the virus has risen to more than 700.

The figure stood at just 429 less than a fortnight ago, but the increasing spread of the virus has led to a surge in new cases – with the WHO stating that some nations should consider drawing up proposals to close schools in an attempt to lessen the spread of the infection.

While no deaths have been recorded in Ireland – with most cases described as mild – the infection rate has more than quadrupled in this country since the start of July.

According to the Department of Health’s latest update last night, 172 people in Ireland have contracted swine flu, with eight more cases confirmed yesterday.

Of the latest cases, half involved in-country transmissions.

Meanwhile, the first human trials of a swine-flu vaccine are due to begin in Australia.

CSL Ltd, the only flu-vaccine maker in the southern hemisphere, is planning to start the research in Adelaide by injecting a group of volunteers with its experimental vaccine. The firm plans to test the shot in 240 people during the next seven weeks.



This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, July 22, 2009




Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pregnant-women-and-swine-flu-vaccine-96989.html#ixzz0gaY7NsRD

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human rights ombudsman accuses the health minister of putting Poles at risk.

Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 22:19

By Jan Cienski - GlobalPost
Published: December 6, 2009 08:38 ETWARSAW, Poland — Poland is standing alone against the swine flu, as one of the only European Union member states to refuse to place orders for the H1N1 virus vaccine because of the health minister's concerns about its safety.

But now the country’s human rights ombudsman is threatening the health minister, Ewa Kopacz, with prosecution unless she moves on the vaccine.

Kopacz, who is also a doctor, is worried about the vaccine and is refusing to act until the pharmaceutical companies making the vaccine accept responsibility for any side effects, something they have been excused from by the World Health Organization’s declaration of a pandemic.

“If I had a 100 percent certainty that the vaccine was a panacea for the swine flu, I would certainly buy it,” Kopacz said in an interview with radio station Tok FM, adding that she felt drug companies were “covering up” some information about the vaccines.

“I feel that the research on the vaccines lasted too short a time,” she said.

Kopacz’s stand is very different from most of her European counterparts. Mass vaccination programs have begun in France, Germany and Scandinavia, as well as in central European countries like Hungary.

Her position has put her at odds with Janusz Kochanowski, who heads Poland’s human rights office, and worries that Poland is completely unprepared for dealing with a potential swine flu epidemic. He is toying with the idea of filing charges against Kopacz.

“What is the ombudsman supposed to do when he is powerless and ignored?” Kochanowski asked in a Tok FM interview. “I wake up with this issue and go to sleep with it, because my back is up against the wall and I don’t see any other answer.”

Despite Kopacz' medical background, there are concerns that she is taking a potential risk if the current influenza season gets much worse. Kochanowski has said that he doesn’t know how many people’s deaths Kopacz will have on her conscience. He has called on Poles to inoculate themselves in other European countries where the vaccination is available.


A deputy health minister, in turn, has threatened to refer Kochanowski to the prosecutor’s office for complicating the ministry’s work.

As of Saturday, health authorities have said that 38 people have died in Poland from the swine flu and about 750 have been infected. However, the true level of infections is impossible to determine, both because people with milder cases tend not to report them, and because Poland has very few tests to confirm the presence of the H1N1 virus. Most of the tests have to be performed in neighboring Germany.

As well as lacking tests, the Polish health care system also needs more equipment like artificial lungs, to keep patients with severe influenza cases breathing.

The Polish media has been consumed with the swine flu story, reporting every death and serious case. So far there has been no panic like in neighboring Ukraine, where the country was paralyzed with fear a couple of weeks ago, with schools being shut down and thousands donning generally ineffective face masks to protect themselves against the virus.

Although there is something of the hypochondriac in the Polish character — garlic cures and energy treatments are popular – it is more than balanced by a conspiratorial worldview which would subscribe to the idea of pharmaceutical companies keeping knowledge of the side effects of vaccines to themselves, as well as a suspicion of bureaucracy, including the health ministry.

But if the disease takes a turn for the worse, then Kopacz’s stand could have political ramifications. She is a minister in the center-right government of Donald Tusk, and Kochanowski is a political ally of Lech Kaczynski, Poland’s right-wing president and Tusk’s likely rival in next year’s presidential elections.

On his web page, Kochanowski’s office has a note for every patient killed by the swine flu virus.



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Posted by just a friend on December 7, 2009 22:56 ET
Mr. Cienski, where have you been that you don't know Ewa Kopacz is a HERO! She is doing what every health minister should do: refusing to give vaccine makers immunity for injuries caused by their vaccines. View her courageous words on KilpKlep's You Tube channel. Google Desiree Jennings, beautiful girl who almost died from a seasonal flu shot and is now healed thanks to IV amino acids and other alternative treatments. The swine flu vaccine causes miscarriages! NOT SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN! Tamiflu causes psychosis and death in children! Go to 'the flu case-dot-com' Use natural antivirals like Resveratrol, N-Acetyl Cysteine, vitamin C, vitamin D, green tea. The Polish people are not backward or hypochondriacs-- THEY ARE WISE. I predict that they will have fewer deaths per capita than countries who buy the vaccines. They do need more types of natural antivirals in their communities especially vitamins C & D. Antivirals SAVE LIVES.
.Posted by Lisa fromIllinois on December 8, 2009 14:53 ET
just a friend,What is your definition of hero? A friend of my friend was working in the maternity ward of a Polish hospitalwhen a very sick woman(swine flu that was ignored by hospital staff) arrived and was put in aroom with another pregnant woman. The first woman was too sick and weak to deliver her child, so a c-secton was performed to deliver a stillborn baby. The mother also died, both from swine flu! And now my friend's friend,, who assisted with the c-section, is also quite sick with swine flu. A criminal investigation of the hospital is in process to determine why a mother and child died in the 21st century, during childbirth,in part duee to your Hero's decision to not protect her countymen and women.What a terribly sad situation for all involved, esp. right before Christmas, when we celebrate the miracle of baby Jesus'birth!

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Post  MJH1901 on Thu 25 Feb - 22:26

Antoinette my heart goes out to you - so sad - and you are so brave and selfless at such a difficult time (((hugs))) M

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Fetal Damage due to Flu H1N1 VaccinesJan

Post  Guest on Thu 25 Feb - 22:28

. 26, 2010 NEWS BULLETIN

Politicol News Alert: Shocking Facts on H1N1 Swine Vaccine Bombshell

The CDC is the only agency that issues a vaccine information statement as Eileen Dannemann the Director of the National Coalition of Organized Woman a non profit activist organization which addresses critical health issues.

In fact spontaneous abortions have been caused by the very vaccine which the CDC is pushing onto the market on behalf of drug company profits. There is no value to the H1N1 Swine Vaccine.

Joyce Piccolino a registered nurse who practices in New Jersey that asked her fellow doctors and physicians who encouraged her to take the vaccine H1N1 swine jab.

Abortions are being caused and the pro-lifers should be very concerned that vaccines are causing abortions. You can get more information that you will not find on CNN, NBC, or CBS or ABC or Fox News because they all get millions of dollars from drug company’s who are directing their news stories to endorse swine vaccines.

You must hear this audio interview with : Gary Null and if you know of any woman who is pregnant and want their fetus to survive.


http://garynull.org/?p=2265&cpage=1#comment-1611

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Post  FSoares on Thu 25 Feb - 22:48

Antoinette, all my deepest sympathies to you!

To my knowledge, there were (at least) two cases in PT of miscarriages - it is said the number can be higher - after the innoculation against the H1N1, via the Pandemirx (from Glaxo) shot. I didn't have time to read all the posts on this thread, but it is known this vaccine wasn't allowed in the USA, due to the adjuvant called squalene.

It is said in some countries, the elites were having Celvapan (not available to public - go figures), because it doesn't have adjuvants. I didn't have time to take the shot, because I caught the H1N1 virus before (it would be the Glaxo one as well). What I can say by experience, is that it was a mild flu by comparison to many I had in the past and didn't justity this hysteria around the H1N1.

Why did the EU decide by this shot Pandermix, and not by another one, not so polemic in terms of adversary effects, I guess we'll never know. What we know for sure, is that some Labs had huge profits due to the H1N1. This is what is extremely sad.

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Post  Wallflower on Thu 25 Feb - 23:35

So sad to hear your news Antoinnette.

Take care of yourself, I hope thinks look up for you soon. x

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Post  pipstar1 on Fri 26 Feb - 0:41

So sorry to read about your sad loss Antoinette. I had also come across this information mostly through Jane Burgermeisters site http://www.theflucase.com and Alex Jones Infowars site. Swine flu vaccine is also harmful for everyone else too, there have been many cases of side effects such as paralysis, guilleim barre syndrome, auto immune disease etc. These vaccines were and are being pushed to the most vulnerable people first, pregnant women, children and the elderly. This is outrageous and I think is set to continue later this year when the unused vaccines will be recycled with the next season's flu jabs. The media has been silent about all this - no investagative reporting, shades of the Mc Cann saga.

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Post  Guest on Fri 26 Feb - 0:46

pipstar1 wrote:So sorry to read about your sad loss Antoinette. I had also come across this information mostly through Jane Burgermeisters site http://www.theflucase.com and Alex Jones Infowars site. Swine flu vaccine is also harmful for everyone else too, there have been many cases of side effects such as paralysis, guilleim barre syndrome, auto immune disease etc. These vaccines were and are being pushed to the most vulnerable people first, pregnant women, children and the elderly. This is outrageous and I think is set to continue later this year when the unused vaccines will be recycled with the next season's flu jabs. The media has been silent about all this - no investagative reporting, shades of the Mc Cann saga.

Given you a rep point for that

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Post  Alpine Aster on Fri 26 Feb - 0:48

Antoinette my thoughts are with you, I am sorry for your sad loss.

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Post  Guest on Fri 26 Feb - 3:55

eddie wrote:WHY do Doctors never tell you all the facts properly???

In simple terms, because they prescribe whatever maximises their income. They simply do no not care about the health of their patients. It is disgraceful.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 26 Feb - 6:30

Hare wrote:
eddie wrote:WHY do Doctors never tell you all the facts properly???

In simple terms, because they prescribe whatever maximises their income. They simply do no not care about the health of their patients. It is disgraceful.

I know a doctor who isn't going to have the swine flu vaccine himself, but he spent a few weekends giving it. Why? Seventy quid and hour!

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Post  kitti on Fri 26 Feb - 6:57

Antoinette..


God bless you darling and i am very sorry for the pain you went through.


I see the swine flu hotline has been disbanded, no doubt because alot off people can just ring up, get a password and then just go and get the vaccine withouth even seeing a doctor, i never understood that at all.

xxxx

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