PEADOPHILE RING WITH LINK TO MADELEINE MCCANN JAILED

FSoares wrote:

mumbles wrote:~One of the abused boys, Pedro Namora, is now a lawyer and was a key witness in the case.

He wants Portuguese detectives to continue their probe as he believes the ring may be connected to the disappearance of Madeleine at the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve in May 2007.~


Is Pedro Namoro (in a roundabout way) suggesting that the case be re-opened?

I never heard those words from Pedro Namora - and I live in Portugal - and I highly doubt he'd ever said that. They are putting on his mouth words he didn't say, I tend to believe.

Annabel wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/197591/Peadophile-ring-with-link-to-Madeleine-McCann-jailed

]Express says .............. ''One man arrested in the case and later released without charge was said to have had a great interest in the ancient underground tunnels running under Praia da Luz.''

PEADOPHILE RING WITH LINK TO MADELEINE MCCANN JAILED


PEADOPHILE RING WITH LINK TO MADELEINE MCCANN JAILED
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Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal

Sunday September 5,2010
By James Murray

A GROUP of rich and powerful men in Portugal have been jailed for their involvement in a paedophile ring which some believe is linked to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A former ambassador, a television presenter, a doctor and a lawyer were found guilty on Friday after an eight-year investigation and a six-year trial which shook the country, with 32 men giving evidence of hundreds of crimes committed against them when they were children.

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Members of the ring snatched children as they slept at the state-run Casa Pia orphanages in Lisbon and took them to grand houses to endure sickening abuse.

One of the abused boys, Pedro Namora, is now a lawyer and was a key witness in the case.

He wants Portuguese detectives to continue their probe as he believes the ring may be connected to the disappearance of Madeleine at the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve in May 2007.
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Pedro Namora

Speaking to the Sunday Express, Mr Namora said: “During the summer children were taken to the summer homes of paedophiles on the Algarve. It was highly organised and involved a lot of planning and control.

“It is possible that those connected with the ring who have not been caught may be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance. I do think detectives should look at this possibility. No stone should be left unturned.”

Although most of the abuse involved hundreds of boys, he said some girls also fell victim to the gang.

One man arrested in the case and later released without charge was said to have had a great interest in the ancient underground tunnels running under Praia da Luz.

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There were emotional scenes at the Lisbon court house as two judges read out the punishment to the men, once regarded as being among the country’s great and good.

Socialite Carlos Cruz, once Portugal’s most popular television presenter, was sentenced to seven years in prison.

The 68-year-old father of two was found guilty of having sex with a 14-year-old and abusing another boy. Cruz said: “There is no proof of my guilt. This brings back memories of Portugal under dictatorship.”

A former Portuguese ambassador to Unesco, Jorge Ritto, 74, was jailed for six years and doctor Ferreira Diniz got seven years.

Former Casa Pia ombudsman Manuel Abrantes should have been safeguarding the boys but he was also an abuser. He was sentenced to five years.

Casa Pia caretaker Carlos Silvino, 53, known as Bibi, used to pluck sleeping boys from their beds and take them away to abuse them or pass to others.

He confessed to 600 crimes and was given the longest sentence of 18 years.

Mr Namora, who was in court along with four other victims, said: “These men have to be condemned. They committed barbaric crimes against humanity.”

Catalina Pestana, who has run Casa Pia since the crimes were reported in 2002, said: “The stories that I heard were the most terrible of my life.

“Now when a child accuses an adult, nobody will look with the same lack of attention that they did for many years.”

d]]Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said they had been closely following the Casa Pia case but did not have a lead linking Madeleine’s disappearance to the paedophile ring.

Marky wrote:

FSoares wrote:

mumbles wrote:~One of the abused boys, Pedro Namora, is now a lawyer and was a key witness in the case.

He wants Portuguese detectives to continue their probe as he believes the ring may be connected to the disappearance of Madeleine at the Praia da Luz resort on the Algarve in May 2007.~


Is Pedro Namoro (in a roundabout way) suggesting that the case be re-opened?

I never heard those words from Pedro Namora - and I live in Portugal - and I highly doubt he'd ever said that. They are putting on his mouth words he didn't say, I tend to believe.

i tend to agree with you.

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

mumbles wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Agree with all that you say Claudia... but what they are actually suggesting is that Mr.Namora thinks “It is possible that those connected with the ring who have not been caught may be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance."

ETA: That's if he even said it - of course!

malena stool wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Pictures of Gordon Brown flashed before my eyes then, Claudia

The poisoned dwarf Kelly stands as absolute testimony to that

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

Claudia79 wrote:

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

But F., even if they did (let's just assume it for argument's sake because we all know they didn't) the dates are impossible. They were arrested before Madeleine was born! What I meant by using the dates is that they are incompetent even when they make ridiculous things up because they can't work out things as simple as dates. No wonder their timelines are crap!

Faithlilly wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

But F., even if they did (let's just assume it for argument's sake because we all know they didn't) the dates are impossible. They were arrested before Madeleine was born! What I meant by using the dates is that they are incompetent even when they make ridiculous things up because they can't work out things as simple as dates. No wonder their timelines are crap!

TBH Claudia I think the Express with this story are, for once, being cleverer than we're giving them credit for and are actually seeking to undermine in the public's minds the 'letter' story of the last few days and the claim that Madeleine is unharmed and living in luxury. Their motive for running the story is open to debate but perhaps it is to remind the McCanns that their control over the information surrounding this story is not now absolute. A very subtle form of payback when they are so obviously isolated, vulnerable and desperate to prove Madeleine is unharmed. Whatever the motive I am sure the McCanns will not be happy this morning to have Madeleine linked to the unimaginably grotesque abuse perpetrated on the poor, defenceless children of Casa Pia.

Claudia79 wrote:

Faithlilly wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

But F., even if they did (let's just assume it for argument's sake because we all know they didn't) the dates are impossible. They were arrested before Madeleine was born! What I meant by using the dates is that they are incompetent even when they make ridiculous things up because they can't work out things as simple as dates. No wonder their timelines are crap!

TBH Claudia I think the Express with this story are, for once, being cleverer than we're giving them credit for and are actually seeking to undermine in the public's minds the 'letter' story of the last few days and the claim that Madeleine is unharmed and living in luxury. Their motive for running the story is open to debate but perhaps it is to remind the McCanns that their control over the information surrounding this story is not now absolute. A very subtle form of payback when they are so obviously isolated, vulnerable and desperate to prove Madeleine is unharmed. Whatever the motive I am sure the McCanns will not be happy this morning to have Madeleine linked to the unimaginably grotesque abuse perpetrated on the poor, defenceless children of Casa Pia.

Still impossible, though, And still an example of moronic journalism. And I can never be glad with that.

mumbles wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Agree with all that you say Claudia... but what they are actually suggesting is that Mr.Namora thinks “It is possible that those connected with the ring who have not been caught may be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance."

ETA: That's if he even said it - of course!

pennylane wrote:

mumbles wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Agree with all that you say Claudia... but what they are actually suggesting is that Mr.Namora thinks “It is possible that those connected with the ring who have not been caught may be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance."

ETA: That's if he even said it - of course!

........and Goncalo Amaral, the investigating detective who was on the scene after Maddie disappeared, believes she died in the apartment and her parents hid her body. There are a couple of CSI dogs who also marked a body being in their apartment. In addition, the McCanns and friends' version of events are riddled with inconsistencies and glaring fabrications.

Perhaps some bright British journalist could delve deeper into these very important aspect of the case!

mumbles wrote:

pennylane wrote:

mumbles wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Agree with all that you say Claudia... but what they are actually suggesting is that Mr.Namora thinks “It is possible that those connected with the ring who have not been caught may be involved in Madeleine’s disappearance."

ETA: That's if he even said it - of course!

........and Goncalo Amaral, the investigating detective who was on the scene after Maddie disappeared, believes she died in the apartment and her parents hid her body. There are a couple of CSI dogs who also marked a body being in their apartment. In addition, the McCanns and friends' version of events are riddled with inconsistencies and glaring fabrications.

Perhaps some bright British journalist could delve deeper into these very important aspect of the case!

Pennylane,

It's perfectly possible that Mr.Namora didn't make the comments attributed to him.

But ...

What if he has been following the McCann case?

What if he agrees with Goncalo Amaral's thesis?

What if he did make these comments in an attempt to get the case reopened?


A lot of 'what if's' I agree - but still worth pondering.

Can I also make it absolutely clear that I personally don't for one moment believe that Casa Pia has any bearing on the Madeleine case.

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

jejune wrote:

FSoares wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:These people must think there's no one with a brain reading British newspapers. When the sick abuses started at Casa Pia, Kate and Gerry McCann were probably in nappies (during the 70's) and when the now convicted sexual abusers were ARRESTED Madeleine wasn't even born (Carlos Cruz was arrested on the 1st of February 2003). It seems the only requisite needed to be a journalist working for some newspapers in the UK is to be brain dead.

Not only that, but also their business was never kidnap children. It's completely ridiculous. They were interested in the boys of Casa Pia, and only that - boys. They wanted boys and that type of people involved would never, never enter a house to kidnap a young child from the female gender. Why kidnap if they could access children from Casa Pia without so many problems? Besides, I just asked around and no one has ever heard Namora speaking about Madeleine's case. Something is wrong with this Brit newspaper (as usual, when it comes to comment about things from this rectangle called Portugal and when it fits their Madeleine agenda). Beyond sick.

Individuals have been sentenced, and the Casa Pia case can no longer be used as an example by those with a [racist] agenda to push who have suggested that peadophilia is ignored in Portugal, due to the involvement of those with influence and money. One pro McCann website in particular has used it to argue that the official investigation was a whitewash. Do these idiots truly believe that an investigation such as this is going to end up with people tried and convicted within a matter of months? People with wealth and contacts can manipulate the law to their benefit but, in this case, justice has finally been seen to be carried out. That's more than you can say for a lot of victims of child abuse in Britain. It's utterly ridiculous that Madeleine McCann has been linked to Casa Pia in any shape or form . None of the known facts compare in any way.