Pat Brown

kathybelle wrote:

almostgothic wrote:After this latest flurry of stories, I bet Gezza is done with his hair already!

He's probably ripping at his chest wig by now ...

If there is some evidence in the vehicle of a body having been on ice, I would be more likely to believe it was literally on ice in the boot. In other words, ice was placed in the boot in a bag or bags as a method of keeping the body cold during transport.

matthew wrote:http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2012/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-find.html

Pat was interested in gerrys phone pings:with thanks to Hideho- http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Where-was-Madeleine-hidden/Strange-Activities-End-July-Beginning-August-1-922085.html

interested wrote:Earlier today (Sunday) Pat tweeted, "...I don't think we are seeing progress; I think we are seeing spin." This was in response to a comment about all the recent articles in newspapers.

NoStone wrote:

interested wrote:Earlier today (Sunday) Pat tweeted, "...I don't think we are seeing progress; I think we are seeing spin." This was in response to a comment about all the recent articles in newspapers.

In a way she is right - we are not seeing any progress - no interviews, no official re-opening of the case. Hopefully therre is some fact behind the PJ gearing up a new team and wroking with SY. Hopefully there is some fact to the notion that they are following 'new' evidence but as there have been no press statements by the police - the rest can only be spin can it not??

T4two wrote:

If there is some evidence in the vehicle of a body having been on ice, I would be more likely to believe it was literally on ice in the boot. In other words, ice was placed in the boot in a bag or bags as a method of keeping the body cold during transport.

Interesting thoughts on freezing the body, especially as Dr. Amaral states quite clearly that the sample found in the car was consistent with having come from a frozen body. It's interesting that the best way to freeze a body without using a freezer is to use dry ice. Quite common in the food industry and of course the ice-cream trade, it is also commonly used in the medical profession for freezing biological samples for example. Dry ice sublimates, which means it turns from ice to a gas and doesn't go through a liquid stage. It therefore leaves no trace. No need for placing it in any special container then. Any trace found in the car would be from frost occurring on the body caused by moisture in the atmosphere. Because it forms carbon dioxide when it sublimates it is necessary to maintain adequate ventilation - such as driving with the windows down or leaving the boot open when parked? Is dry ice relatively easy to come by in the Luz area?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice

LJC wrote:Did anybody have a cool box? That would be a good way of initially chilling down until a more permanent cold storage was located.

T4two wrote:

If there is some evidence in the vehicle of a body having been on ice, I would be more likely to believe it was literally on ice in the boot. In other words, ice was placed in the boot in a bag or bags as a method of keeping the body cold during transport.

Interesting thoughts on freezing the body, especially as Dr. Amaral states quite clearly that the sample found in the car was consistent with having come from a frozen body. It's interesting that the best way to freeze a body without using a freezer is to use dry ice. Quite common in the food industry and of course the ice-cream trade, it is also commonly used in the medical profession for freezing biological samples for example. Dry ice sublimates, which means it turns from ice to a gas and doesn't go through a liquid stage. It therefore leaves no trace. No need for placing it in any special container then. Any trace found in the car would be from frost occurring on the body caused by moisture in the atmosphere. Because it forms carbon dioxide when it sublimates it is necessary to maintain adequate ventilation - such as driving with the windows down or leaving the boot open when parked? Is dry ice relatively easy to come by in the Luz area?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice

tigger wrote:

T4two wrote:

If there is some evidence in the vehicle of a body having been on ice, I would be more likely to believe it was literally on ice in the boot. In other words, ice was placed in the boot in a bag or bags as a method of keeping the body cold during transport.

Interesting thoughts on freezing the body, especially as Dr. Amaral states quite clearly that the sample found in the car was consistent with having come from a frozen body. It's interesting that the best way to freeze a body without using a freezer is to use dry ice. Quite common in the food industry and of course the ice-cream trade, it is also commonly used in the medical profession for freezing biological samples for example. Dry ice sublimates, which means it turns from ice to a gas and doesn't go through a liquid stage. It therefore leaves no trace. No need for placing it in any special container then. Any trace found in the car would be from frost occurring on the body caused by moisture in the atmosphere. Because it forms carbon dioxide when it sublimates it is necessary to maintain adequate ventilation - such as driving with the windows down or leaving the boot open when parked? Is dry ice relatively easy to come by in the Luz area?


A chest freezer is an amazingly common item. You would surely find one in many or most apartments or houses. A freezer, or more commonly a mortuary fridge is what doctors do with bodies routinely in hospital. So simple... a not all that big parcel, tightly wrapped, or in the bag, and covered up (sorry if you think its tasteless) with packs of frozen peas and the like. By far the simplest solution. Could stay there for ages... until it was expedient to move it for permanent disposal... by which I mean getting rid of it completely, by whichever means you think most likely... or of course there could have been an abduction... hmmmmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice

I would have thought a largish freezer would be easier to come by around PdL - along with an unused holiday apartment for which you'd need someone who'd be in charge of such properties - either for sale or rent. Quite possible in the off season - Murat would have been useful here. Plus there was the apartment in Burgau - which I thinks belongs to Murat or Murat's father?
Buying a quantity of dry ice from one of very few suppliers in the area would surely be a far greater risk?

interested wrote:Thinking about freezers remind me someone on the old Mirror forum mentioned that there was a large commercial type freezer in one of the two restaurants located close to the beach. I had almost forgotten about that comment because it would have been close to five years ago but came back to me as I read the foregoing comments.

Keela wrote:

interested wrote:Thinking about freezers remind me someone on the old Mirror forum mentioned that there was a large commercial type freezer in one of the two restaurants located close to the beach. I had almost forgotten about that comment because it would have been close to five years ago but came back to me as I read the foregoing comments.

I don't think this idea is a goer. Can you really see anyone approaching the restaurant and asking if they could just store this package in their freezer? No I don't either.