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Post  Guest Mon 4 Mar - 21:39

Remarkably coincident with ............................ the Cyprus Sighting.

Imagine my surprise.
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Post  almostgothic Mon 4 Mar - 21:59

Will be interesting to learn why she made false statements and if she made them independently, or was she 'encouraged' to make them. And by whom ...

Btw, is Mad Marcos still holed up in Brazil and are any of the ex-M3s still singing?
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Post  matthew Mon 4 Mar - 23:01

almostgothic wrote:Will be interesting to learn why she made false statements and if she made them independently, or was she 'encouraged' to make them. And by whom ...

Btw, is Mad Marcos still holed up in Brazil and are any of the ex-M3s still singing?
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Post  tanszi Tue 5 Mar - 0:33

something out of left field - could this be something like that.
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Post  AnnaEsse Tue 5 Mar - 6:41

tanszi wrote:something out of left field - could this be something like that.

Things have been hotting up recently:

The mad lawyer scarpered to Brazil.

There was the Brazil sighting by way of the airport in Ibiza

Metodo3 arrests and truckloads of files taken from their offices

The Cyprus sighting

Leonor Cipriano charged with perjury

The Leonor trial could possibly bring a whole lot of rubbish to the surface, the most significant piece of information, I think, being that her lawyer has claimed that Metodo3 paid him to find dirt on Amaral to ruin his reputation. Let's hope that comes out at the trial because that could open up the whole can of worms.

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Post  kitti Tue 5 Mar - 7:40

And who paid Met3 to do this......all roads lead back to ?
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Post  kitti Tue 5 Mar - 7:41

Can you imagine the backlash when it comes out that money from the fund was paid to Met3 to sabotage the search for Madeleine
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Post  AnnaEsse Tue 5 Mar - 7:42

kitti wrote:And who paid Met3 to do this......all roads lead back to ?

..the people who paid a company of private detectives who specialised in money laundering to look for a missing child.
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AnnaEsse wrote:
kitti wrote:And who paid Met3 to do this......all roads lead back to ?

..the people who paid a company of private detectives who specialised in money laundering to look for a missing child.
interesting times ahead im sure -- maybe they are already talking and telling all "Leonor Cipriano court started today for making false statements."-03/2013 Joana Morais.Updated 2 /04 :Leonor Cipriano condemned ... 25346
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Post  almostgothic Tue 5 Mar - 8:30

Leonor Cipriano judged for contradictions

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/03/leonor-cipriano-judged-for.html

ETA - interesting note from JM in above post:

Note by JM: * Marcos Aragão Correia has taken an extended leave in Brazil whilst Marinho Pinto, apparently decided that the Lawyers Order should not go on being an assistant of her defence. Leonor, as a poor woman, was left with a court-appointed (defence) counsel. I guess now that she has served the McCanns' purpose and other people interests, she can be discarded!


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Post  frencheuropean Tue 5 Mar - 9:40

Merci for the update almostgothic. New article today:

Leonor Cipriano judged for contradictions
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Faro: In question are the accusations of aggressions by Judiciary Police officers

by João Mira Godinho

The different versions that she presented about the alleged aggressions that she was a victim of at the headquarters of the Judiciary Police of Faro, took Leonor Cipriano yesterday to the Court of Faro. Joana's mother - who is doing a jail time of 16 years for the murder of her daughter - answers for false accusations.

Yesterday, Leonor, 42 years old, repeated what she had said in court, back in 2008, during the trial of the five inspectors of the Judiciary Police - including Gonçalo Amaral and Paulo Pereira Cristovão - for [alleged] aggressions during the questionings, at the time of Joana's death investigation, back in 2004.

Leonor repeated that, at the Judiciary Police of Faro headquarters, the officers beat her up "with punches and kicks", that they beat her "with a cardboard tube", that they placed "a blue plastic bag over her head" and that they hit her with a "phone book".

However, in the answers to the Public Ministry and to the Judge, Joana's mother [and convicted murderer] contradicted herself: she was unable to give the timing of the aggressions, she stated the tube was made of plastic and she affirmed that she had always been sitting down, when before she had stated that she had been forced to stay on her knees, on the top of ashtrays.

"This was an important moment in her life and it would be expected, even for the numerous times she has been asked the same questions, that she had kept it in her memory" argued the Public Ministry prosecutor, concluding that Leonor "insists on lying" and that she should be condemned to a jail sentence [for those lies].

The defence attorney* alleged that Leonor Cipriano "has difficulties in explaining herself", which, allied to a situation "in which the discernment wasn't the best", explains the contradictions.

The sentence was scheduled for the 14th of March.

In 2009, at the trial of the PJ officers, the court ruled as proven that there was an aggression however they were unable to identify the perpetrators.

in Correio da Manhã, March 5 2013

Note by JM: * Marcos Aragão Correia has taken an extended leave in Brazil whilst Marinho Pinto, apparently decided that the Lawyers Order should not go on being an assistant of her defence. Leonor, as a poor woman, was left with a court-appointed (defence) counsel. I guess now that she has served the McCanns' purpose and other people interests, she can be discarded!




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Post  frencheuropean Tue 5 Mar - 9:51

Also, at the end of the first article, a comment and an interesting and precise answer from Joana:

"Anonymous said... 6
Hi Joana. If Cipriano is found to have lied in this trial, do you know whether this will this affect the conviction for perjury against Goncalo Amaral? Will it be dropped or will it remain in place?

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@6 The court already stated as a fact that Leonor Cipriano lied, did you read the article above? That is why a certificate was extracted and a case against her was brought to a new trial. Secondly, Gonçalo Amaral wasn't convicted for perjury but for a false statement - it was not a wilful lie as perjury encompasses, i.e, he believed in what was reported to him by his colleagues - and now, since the whole of Leonor's statements are lies, then what did Gonçalo Amaral falsely stated?

Leonor Cipriano has given about 6 to 8 different and contradicting versions of what happened to Joana Cipriano.

Leonor Cipriano gave 3 to 4 different versions to different people about the beating.

Leonor Cipriano gave about 3 to 4 different versions about the PJ officers, in line ups she was never able to identify a single officer.

Leonor Cipriano lied about her own brother. More importantly about, her own daughter.

Leonor Cipriano was accused with factual evidence of murdering with the aid her brother, her own daughter Joana. Joana's body was horrifically dismembered, that much was proved.

Marcos Aragão Correia, Leonor's lawyer who played a pivotal role in the McCann case, admitted to lying in order to obtain a confession from Leonor's brother.

Leonor's own family don't want her back. What does this say to you?

This is what a psychological assessment said about Leonor Cipriano:

«The arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida’s despise for other people’s rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits»

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Post  Guest Tue 5 Mar - 18:06

Just reading the updates on Twitter. Why isn't the Mad Madeiran back in Portugal, defending his client?
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Post  tanszi Tue 5 Mar - 18:08

is there an extradition treaty between Portugal and Brazil
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Post  Guest Tue 5 Mar - 18:15

Harking back to Ronnie Biggs, I don't think Brazil is heavily into extradition!
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Post  almostgothic Thu 14 Mar - 18:13

Court defers judgment on Faro Leonor Cipriano for April 2

The Faro Court today postponed to April 2nd reading of sentence Leonor Cipriano, arrested for the murder of her daughter Joana, in the case which is charged with making false statements. A child's mother, who disappeared in the village of Figueira, in Portimão, September 12, 2004, presented different versions of the alleged assault he suffered at the premises of the Judicial Police in Faro that year. According to judicial sources, the court held that it was necessary to join this process documentary evidence the previous case, in which Leonor Cipriano accused several agents to have beaten during interrogation. Leonor Cipriano - who, like his brother, meets 16 years in prison for murder and concealment of a corpse - was excused from attending today the Court of Faro to hear the reading of the judgment. contradictory statements were made ​​during the trial of the inspectors who investigated the "Joana case" in 2009, which resulted in the conviction of two of the five defendants in the case. At the judgment, the collective of judges deemed " and relevant flagrant contradictions it incurred "Leonor Cipriano statements that produced the sessions of the trial, although he had the" opportunity to reveal the truth. " The court gave as proven aggression, although without having ascertained the identity of the attackers . Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão, was acquitted of the crime of failure to report abuse and sentenced to a year and a half for the crime of making false allegations, were suspended for the same period. Inspector Anthony Nunes Cardoso was sentenced to two years and three months for forgery of document, sentence suspended for two years. Former agents PJ Paulo Pereira Cristovao Morgado Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom, who were accused of having tortured Leonor Cipriano in interrogations conducted PJ in Faro, were acquitted.

http://www.regiao-sul.pt/noticia.php?refnoticia=134868

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Post  almostgothic Thu 14 Mar - 18:27

Iris wrote:Aye, AG, it is :(

Thanks Iris.

Oh dear ... only just spotted it this evening ...
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Post  fred Fri 15 Mar - 7:39

Guest wrote:Remarkably coincident with ............................ the Cyprus Sighting.

Imagine my surprise.

... and now we are back to PDL and the white van and swarty gypsies!
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Post  Panda Sat 16 Mar - 11:58

Wasn't amaral given a 14 month suspended sentence for falsifying Police Statements? I thought this case was wrapped up when the Lawyer and a childrens organisation representative gave evidence ? Didn't Amaral have to pay their Legal Fees???
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Post  kitti Sat 16 Mar - 12:12

That was to do with the mad lawyer freedom off speech ....mr amaral lost the case and I bet Kate whispered....fuming tosser.....now we won't get our 1.2m....it's one case the Mccanns HOPED mr amaral would win!
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Post  Panda Sat 16 Mar - 12:24

kitti wrote:That was to do with the mad lawyer freedom off speech ....mr amaral lost the case and I bet Kate whispered....fuming tosser.....now we won't get our 1.2m....it's one case the Mccanns HOPED mr amaral would win!
Amaral was given a 14 month suspended sentence though for falsifying Police documents or a Report. I remember seeing a Photo of Leanor with two black eyes which Correio said were inflicted by the Police who said she fell down the stairs.
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Post  tanszi Sat 16 Mar - 19:14

i dont think that quite correct Panda. i think its because he didnt make a report about it, because he didnt know about it. ill see it i can find something.
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