Martin Brunt on the Maddie Grave

"By Martin Brunt, crime correspondent
British detectives are examining an extraordinary claim that Madeleine McCann's body is buried near the holiday apartment from where she vanished.

A self-styled investigator has sent police ground radar scans he claims show a burial site.

Stephen Birch says he took the scans last week in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese holiday resort where Madeleine disappeared five years ago.

He passed them to Scotland Yard detectives who are carrying out an investigative review of the case.

They have asked him for more information to help them interpret the scan results and the "raw data" the machine collected.

He has also sent the material to Portuguese police who abandoned their search for Madeleine 15 months after she disappeared."

http://news.sky.com/story/956732/police-probe-madeleine-grave-theory

gillyspot wrote:"By Martin Brunt, crime correspondent
British detectives are examining an extraordinary claim that Madeleine McCann's body is buried near the holiday apartment from where she vanished.

A self-styled investigator has sent police ground radar scans he claims show a burial site.

Stephen Birch says he took the scans last week in Praia da Luz, the Portuguese holiday resort where Madeleine disappeared five years ago.

He passed them to Scotland Yard detectives who are carrying out an investigative review of the case.

They have asked him for more information to help them interpret the scan results and the "raw data" the machine collected.

He has also sent the material to Portuguese police who abandoned their search for Madeleine 15 months after she disappeared."

http://news.sky.com/story/956732/police-probe-madeleine-grave-theory

so scotland yard are now involved too gillly looks like this is being taken seriously despite the usal howls of protests!!!

What if Murat is innocent & someone else buried Madeleine's body in his mothers garden. Birch says in the video Madeleine could have been folded & only be 45cm so could have been missed in original search by PJ (assuming she was only 90cm tall of course). He also mentions he used state of the art ground penetration equipment which I will assume now it is 5 years on will be better than that available in 2007.

I spotted Brunt's tweet giving the link to the article an did tweet straight back to Brunty asking "Is it true that Scotland Yard have asked for more information from Birch?" of course got no reply.

What if a couple of the men originally suspected are involved in something unbeknownst to the rest, and the other tapasniks are merely fibbing to prevent neglect charges?

What if he was seen on the night helping one (or 2) from the group who he knew well, unbeknownst to the others?

Don't want to say more than that but there are certainly red flags where RM is concerned (imho), hence I've not discounted him (or Malinka); and GM is (and always has been) my numero uno suspect.

I don't believe Murat is involved either & always found it suspicious that Angus Symington (OC owners son who is also an estate agent) had access to OC & was spitting image of Murat yet appears no where in files.

gillyspot wrote:I don't believe Murat is involved either & always found it suspicious that Angus Symington (OC owners son who is also an estate agent) had access to OC & was spitting image of Murat yet appears no where in files.

Yes they do look very much alike.

Syn0nymph (@Syn0nymph) has just posted an excellent longer tweet. Well worth sharing

"I have just spoken to an officer at Interpol in Portugal who told me that although he could not officially confirm that the PJ were looking into the claims of Stephen Birch he did explain that the case is NOT closed. He said it never has been and went on to explain that under Portuguese law a case is only closed for two reasons. The first is when someone is charged and convicted for the crime and the second is when the case has reached it's expiration date which in the case of Madeleine Mccann is 20 years from 3/5/2007. Until then cases are in a sleeping status.

He also expressed his frustration that there is such confusion in the UK over the status of the #mccann case."

ETA pennylane - begs question whether all of Mark Warners initial support was to help the Symington's not the McCann's but they took it over. Mark Warner were in process of buying Ocean Club at the time of Madeleine's disappearance & wouldn't want that scuppered.

gillyspot wrote:Syn0nymph (@Syn0nymph) has just posted an excellent longer tweet. Well worth sharing

"I have just spoken to an officer at Interpol in Portugal who told me that although he could not officially confirm that the PJ were looking into the claims of Stephen Birch he did explain that the case is NOT closed. He said it never has been and went on to explain that under Portuguese law a case is only closed for two reasons. The first is when someone is charged and convicted for the crime and the second is when the case has reached it's expiration date which in the case of Madeleine Mccann is 20 years from 3/5/2007. Until then cases are in a sleeping status.

He also expressed his frustration that there is such confusion in the UK over the status of the #mccann case."

ETA pennylane - begs question whether all of Mark Warners initial support was to help the Symington's not the McCann's but they took it over. Mark Warner were in process of buying Ocean Club at the time of Madeleine's disappearance & wouldn't want that scuppered.

Very interesting about the "sleeping status" for 20 years, Jilly!

I think we can safely deduce there is another very important layer to this crime that would slot everything neatly into place if ever it comes to the fore.

gillyspot wrote:Syn0nymph (@Syn0nymph) has just posted an excellent longer tweet. Well worth sharing

"I have just spoken to an officer at Interpol in Portugal who told me that although he could not officially confirm that the PJ were looking into the claims of Stephen Birch he did explain that the case is NOT closed. He said it never has been and went on to explain that under Portuguese law a case is only closed for two reasons. The first is when someone is charged and convicted for the crime and the second is when the case has reached it's expiration date which in the case of Madeleine Mccann is 20 years from 3/5/2007. Until then cases are in a sleeping status.

He also expressed his frustration that there is such confusion in the UK over the status of the #mccann case."

ETA pennylane - begs question whether all of Mark Warners initial support was to help the Symington's not the McCann's but they took it over. Mark Warner were in process of buying Ocean Club at the time of Madeleine's disappearance & wouldn't want that scuppered.

Gillyspot, thank you for posting this. If true, it has answered a question and worry I have had for a long time. I have often wondered if there was a timeframe under which the PJ could bring charges against the McCanns and if this was a relatively short period, if Healy and McCann were holding out for that. If this tweet is correct, I assume charges can be brought for 20 years, on the basis the case is technically still open for that timeframe.

We could assume so that the PJ would investigate something significant, even just to cross it off a list, if it is brought to their attention over the next fifteen years or so.

Sleep well Kate and Gerry, only another fifteen years to go.

mossman wrote:

gillyspot wrote:Syn0nymph (@Syn0nymph) has just posted an excellent longer tweet. Well worth sharing

"I have just spoken to an officer at Interpol in Portugal who told me that although he could not officially confirm that the PJ were looking into the claims of Stephen Birch he did explain that the case is NOT closed. He said it never has been and went on to explain that under Portuguese law a case is only closed for two reasons. The first is when someone is charged and convicted for the crime and the second is when the case has reached it's expiration date which in the case of Madeleine Mccann is 20 years from 3/5/2007. Until then cases are in a sleeping status.

He also expressed his frustration that there is such confusion in the UK over the status of the #mccann case."

ETA pennylane - begs question whether all of Mark Warners initial support was to help the Symington's not the McCann's but they took it over. Mark Warner were in process of buying Ocean Club at the time of Madeleine's disappearance & wouldn't want that scuppered.

Gillyspot, thank you for posting this. If true, it has answered a question and worry I have had for a long time. I have often wondered if there was a timeframe under which the PJ could bring charges against the McCanns and if this was a relatively short period, if Healy and McCann were holding out for that. If this tweet is correct, I assume charges can be brought for 20 years, on the basis the case is technically still open for that timeframe.

We could assume so that the PJ would investigate something significant, even just to cross it off a list, if it is brought to their attention over the next fifteen years or so.

Sleep well Kate and Gerry, only another fifteen years to go.

they will be in their 60s then too they have basically given themselves a life sentence by not telling the truth!!!

pennylane wrote:What if a couple of the men originally suspected are involved in something unbeknownst to the rest, and the other tapasniks are merely fibbing to prevent neglect charges?

What if he was seen on the night helping one (or 2) from the group who he knew well, unbeknownst to the others?

Don't want to say more than that but there are certainly red flags where RM is concerned (imho),(or Malinka); hence I've not discounted him and GM is (and always has been) my numero uno suspect.

I agree pennylane, GM not answering wether he knew Murat or not back in 2077, today Murat is quick to say how angry he is about this "rubbish" claim........"Murat if your innocent and you kno Maddy is not buried in your grounds......then you have nothing to worry about do you"...or does he.

this guy is certainly sticking his neck out claming IT IS MADDY and that he admits to trespassing 4 times, getting 2 Lawyers organised, ready to ward of Carter Ruck...imo this guy means business!

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

pennylane wrote:What if a couple of the men originally suspected are involved in something unbeknownst to the rest, and the other tapasniks are merely fibbing to prevent neglect charges?

What if he was seen on the night helping one (or 2) from the group who he knew well, unbeknownst to the others?

Don't want to say more than that but there are certainly red flags where RM is concerned (imho),(or Malinka); hence I've not discounted him and GM is (and always has been) my numero uno suspect.

I agree pennylane, GM not answering wether he knew Murat or not back in 2077, today Murat is quick to say how angry he is about this "rubbish" claim........"Murat if your innocent and you kno Maddy is not buried in your grounds......then you have nothing to worry about do you"...or does he.

this guy is certainly sticking his neck out claming IT IS MADDY and that he admits to trespassing 4 times, getting 2 Lawyers organised, ready to ward of Carter Ruck...imo this guy means business!

lily imo it sounds like he thinks he ahs nothing to lose and imo you wouldnt stick your neck out to the worldwide media if you were not sure

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

pennylane wrote:What if a couple of the men originally suspected are involved in something unbeknownst to the rest, and the other tapasniks are merely fibbing to prevent neglect charges?

What if he was seen on the night helping one (or 2) from the group who he knew well, unbeknownst to the others?

Don't want to say more than that but there are certainly red flags where RM is concerned (imo) (and Malinka) hence I've not discounted him; and GM is (and always has been) my numero uno suspect.

I agree pennylane, GM not answering wether he knew Murat or not back in 2077, today Murat is quick to say how angry he is about this "rubbish" claim........"Murat if your innocent and you kno Maddy is not buried in your grounds......then you have nothing to worry about do you"...or does he.

this guy is certainly sticking his neck out claming IT IS MADDY and that he admits to trespassing 4 times, getting 2 Lawyers organised, ready to ward of Carter Ruck...imo this guy means business!

It is possible only Gerry (and perhaps 1 other) knew Murat.... and the others were correct when they identified him, which meant Gerry had no choice but to keep his head down or show his culpability?

jmho

Along with using Eddie and Keela in Rob Murats garden, the PJ also used equipment that sounds rather like that used by Stephen Birch however as you can see, nothing was found.


Extract taken from the final summary:

"Searches were performed at the residence, and the subsoil was explored with a Geo-radar (GPR), - which consists of a radar antenna that transmits electromagnetic energy in the shape of an impulse within frequencies between 25 MHz and 1 GHz. Those impulses are partially reflected through sub-superficial geological structures, captured with a receiving antenna and marked as a time record of continuous bi-directional path which is presented as a pseudo-geological record section – e these technical searches neither found nor marked anything of interest to the files [17].

Searches were equally performed with the use of sniffer dog support, with the dog Eddie that detects cadaver odour, and it was verified that the dog signalled nothing [18]. The examination of the targets’ vehicles (arguido and people who interacted with him), nothing was found."

Justiceforallkids wrote:

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

pennylane wrote:What if a couple of the men originally suspected are involved in something unbeknownst to the rest, and the other tapasniks are merely fibbing to prevent neglect charges?

What if he was seen on the night helping one (or 2) from the group who he knew well, unbeknownst to the others?

Don't want to say more than that but there are certainly red flags where RM is concerned (imho),(or Malinka); hence I've not discounted him and GM is (and always has been) my numero uno suspect.

I agree pennylane, GM not answering wether he knew Murat or not back in 2077, today Murat is quick to say how angry he is about this "rubbish" claim........"Murat if your innocent and you kno Maddy is not buried in your grounds......then you have nothing to worry about do you"...or does he.

this guy is certainly sticking his neck out claming IT IS MADDY and that he admits to trespassing 4 times, getting 2 Lawyers organised, ready to ward of Carter Ruck...imo this guy means business!

lily imo it sounds like he thinks he ahs nothing to lose and imo you wouldnt stick your neck out to the worldwide media if you were not sure

They say he is very wealthy and is obsessed with this case, if true its about time we had womebody with serious money who genuinly wants to find Maddy and not protect the McCanns at all cost, interesting times accuring imo

It's really frustrating when the UK press bleat about the case being 'closed' in Portugal. The case was 'shelved', just as it would be here. No country can throw unlimited resources into solving every single crime when the evidence isn't available. I'm sure that if an important piece of new evidence became available it would be looked into straight away. The crimes that are being solved decades later in, eg, America and the UK, are benefiting from advanced DNA research. Unfortunately, the only DNA evidence in this case seems to have been indicated by Eddie and Keela, who can't be grilled in the courts by lawyers. Whoever has taken Madeleine from this world has been expert at getting rid of any forensic evidence.

jejeune - Whoever has taken Madeleine from this world has been expert at getting rid of any forensic evidence..


like the original results that came in from the lab, then suddenly changed the result.

smacks of corruption and UK press never miss a chance to slag off the Portuguese Police.

If Madeleine's body was buried in Robert Murat's mother's garden, without the knowledge of Mrs Murat or her son, one of them would have noticed a mound of freshly dug earth in their garden, the next morning.

Anyone who has buried a pet, will know that once the hole is dug and the pet placed in the ground, when the pet is covered with earth, there is a mound. At least that is what I have seen when we have buried one of our much loved pets.

Stephen Birch gives the time of Madeleine's burial, between 22:00hrs and 22:15, this means that the hole must have been dug sometime before 22:00hrs to give the person time to place Madeleine in the ground and then cover her with the earth. I've never been to Portugal, but I can imagine that because it was hot at the time the McCanns were in PDL, it must have been quite difficult to dig the hole. Not just because of the heat, but because the ground would have been pretty hard.

I would imagine that there would have been a noise from the spade and even if Robert Murat wasn't in the house, his mother was and she would have heard the noise. Also when the police came to search the house, which was only a week or so after Madeleine disappeared, they would have seen the freshly dug mound and this is the first place they would have dug.

The police searched Mrs Murat's house twice and they dug over her garden twice and I feel sure that if there was someone buried in her garden the police would have found the body. If they missed the body the first time, they would have found the body the second time. The same applies if there was a pet buried in the garden, the police would have found the body of the pet, or the remains if the body had decomposed.

Ah yes, this wouldn't be the same Martin Brunt who told us that there was a "100% DNA Match" to Maddie in the car. Only then there wasn't. Now would it?

Don't forget they would need a cement mixer to cover up the body...perhaps they wheelbarrowed the cement in at the dead off night and don't forget it takes 8 hours to set!


Gawd this is sounding sillier by the minute!

Fern has quoted the PJ report and I remember reading that the Police had searched Murat's Mother's Home looking for a hidden cellar but found nothing.
I do wonder why this has all come to light now. Stephen Birch says he started his investigation not long after Madeleine disappeared.

I also remember another Guy from S.A. supposedly having important information and his Sister said he wanted to go to Portugal and meet the PJ but
he didn't have the money for the fare and wanted the PJ to finance his trip.

Panda wrote:
Fern has quoted the PJ report and I remember reading that the Police had searched Murat's Mother's Home looking for a hidden cellar but found nothing.
I do wonder why this has all come to light now. Stephen Birch says he started his investigation not long after Madeleine disappeared.

I also remember another Guy from S.A. supposedly having important information and his Sister said he wanted to go to Portugal and meet the PJ but
he didn't have the money for the fare and wanted the PJ to finance his trip.

Panda

I hope you had a great holiday.

I wonder why the guy didn't ask the McCanns for his airfare, after all they were minted back in those days. Thanks to the people who donated to the fund, thinking it was going to be used for the sole purpose of finding Madeleine.

Maybe the guy did ask the McCanns and they said no.

Did anyone follow Brian Ladd? He is the American who has vivid dreams. He dreamed about Madeleine, and drew pictures. I can remember he always claimed that Murrat was involved. He also once said listen for the digging? Look up "Brian's Dreams" and all the info is there, though nothing recent as I believe he has been very ill. But he did state that he believed that Murrat's Mother's house has an underground room and even drew pictures of it. I followed Brian's dreams for a long time until he stopped writing about Madeleine.

I found this

This DD is from last night and I'm sure it's related to 5541.

I now believe that Robert will soon start digging a hole, the hole is most likely to cover-up evidence before the fire.

DD says " RM listen for him digging, drum skin, before fire starts, ready"

I believe EC is telling me that we need to listen for him digging and how to do it. Again, I'm almost certain that the drawing in an ancient underground listening devise with a modern microphone and recorder attached to it. All that's needed is a drum buried in the ground and a audio recorder. Even better I did a little searching on the web, and the local water department already has underground listening devises used to locate pipe leaks...borrow them...or make this devise.

What needs to be done:

Place several listing monitors around RM's mother's house and listen for sound of someone digging. More that likely it will be at night...which should make it fairly easy to detected.

please make sure these sounds are recorded.

Have the local police, the ones not involved, serve the warrant ASAP...remember, the judge needs to be on standby.

I will delay the posting of this DD and the others from last night to the public as long as possible

When an arrest is made, please make sure what's been done has been properly documented.

Brian

http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441page5.htm

On the same page though he mentions a house in the UK with fresh cement.

http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441page5.htm