Re: INTERVIEW WITH AMARAL

jimuck Thu 21 Oct - 20:35

Carolina wrote:
jimuck wrote:
jinvta wrote:Amaral does not need to prove that Madeleine is dead in order to win the case against the McCanns, nor do the McCanns need to prove that Madeleine is alive in order to win. Amaral only needs to prove that his opinion was based on the underlying facts of the case. Because the facts upon which he bases his opinion are entirely true and directly from the police files, the libel claim has no grounds. Courts usually follow a "reasonable man" theory, that is would a reasonable person come to the same conclusion based on all evidence presented? Obviously, the answer is yes.

IMO, Amaral was very careful in writing his book. He sought legal advice before printing and knew that it contained nothing libelous. Had he suggested murder, now that would be a different story. The conclusion of accidental death with a staged abduction is entirely plausible given the facts of the case, thus any opinion to this nature that is expressed cannot be considered libelous.

Brilliant , nice and simple and explains exactly how it is.

But the only thing in Amarals book that the MaCanns could call a lie or libelous comment, is the accidental death senario.

Even the accidental death scenario cannot be considered a lie or libellous because it was the conclusion of the investigation as stated in the report by Tavares de Almeida. Also, I think that it is very significant that the judges considered that Gonçalo Amaral had the right to a different opinion to that of the judge in the final report when the case was shelved.

Totally agree ,Carolina love your posts ,your analysis is spot on, my opinion is and its an opinion i am entitled to ,their was no accidental death, remember Madeleine was about to start school.

**LJC** Thu 21 Oct - 23:49

Of course opinion should be allowed whichever side of the fence you sit on.

At the end of the day both Mr Amaral and the McCanns may be wrong in their beliefs.

E.g. Madeleine could have wandered off and fallen down a very large black hole could now be living in another time and place, Doctor Who style.

**widowan** Fri 22 Oct - 3:12

What's the law in PT though, libel isn't about proving you were right, it' about proving harm, The McCanns aren't arguing that they were depressed - would be nice if they were, as Amaral's side could trot out photos of them grinning and bowing at her birthday etc - they are arguing that "the search (which we knew is McCannese for The FuND) - was damaged. This is Portugal not the UK, I doubt the laws are the same and they can only be a step up fron the garbage we've seen with McCanns getting paid by papers who"libel" them.

Amaral had every reason to suspect what he did; he related what is out there in the public domain in the PJ report and THAT is what they are afraid of.

Amaral has proven now that he has the right to his own opinion and free speech, as relates to his book being banned, the question now is, did it harm "the search" or their "family" ie their reputation and ability to continue to scavang money off the unsuspecting.

He could argue that his book has brought visibility to this case which it certainly has, that could certainly aid the search, or at least increase the interest in the case keeping MM and the search in the public eye.

They had her claimed a ward of the court so the UK government would be responsible for the case- and they could feel free to spend the FUnd on themselves, IMO. If the government is her keeper then they will have to keep up looking - is there any doubt that this was done in complete cynicism? Did Clarrie trumpet this to the media? no. Why? Because they want the Fund for them and the government coffers to pay for the child's legal requirements, etc.

IF they were worried about dying and the SEARCH not going on, did they also go through legal process to ensure the TWINS, who are still alive, and would be left orphans, would have guardians? I think not. If they died the twins would be in more of a problem scenario than their sister. how were they protected?

It's such bullsh*t, the McCanns are in the downward spiral now...

**AnnaEsse** Fri 22 Oct - 8:40

widowan wrote:What's the law in PT though, libel isn't about proving you were right, it' about proving harm, The McCanns aren't arguing that they were depressed - would be nice if they were, as Amaral's side could trot out photos of them grinning and bowing at her birthday etc - they are arguing that "the search (which we knew is McCannese for The FuND) - was damaged. This is Portugal not the UK, I doubt the laws are the same and they can only be a step up fron the garbage we've seen with McCanns getting paid by papers who"libel" them.

Amaral had every reason to suspect what he did; he related what is out there in the public domain in the PJ report and THAT is what they are afraid of.

Amaral has proven now that he has the right to his own opinion and free speech, as relates to his book being banned, the question now is, did it harm "the search" or their "family" ie their reputation and ability to continue to scavang money off the unsuspecting.

He could argue that his book has brought visibility to this case which it certainly has, that could certainly aid the search, or at least increase the interest in the case keeping MM and the search in the public eye.

They had her claimed a ward of the court so the UK government would be responsible for the case- and they could feel free to spend the FUnd on themselves, IMO. If the government is her keeper then they will have to keep up looking - is there any doubt that this was done in complete cynicism? Did Clarrie trumpet this to the media? no. Why? Because they want the Fund for them and the government coffers to pay for the child's legal requirements, etc.

IF they were worried about dying and the SEARCH not going on, did they also go through legal process to ensure the TWINS, who are still alive, and would be left orphans, would have guardians? I think not. If they died the twins would be in more of a problem scenario than their sister. how were they protected?

It's such bullsh*t, the McCanns are in the downward spiral now...

The McCanns aren't arguing that they were depressed -

Widowan,

I knew I'd find this and I actually found it on a pro site where they were going quite loopy about a letter Tony Bennett had written to the GMC about Gerry McCann's fitness to practice, based on what had been stated in the 36 page writ presented to Gonçalo Amaral initiating the libel procedure. Tony Bennett is quoting an article in The People.

The Sunday People says it has translated the libel writ from the Portuguese. The McCanns are claiming damages of £1 million from Mr Amaral. I wish to bring to your attention the medical and psychological condition of these two doctors, one of whom continues to practise, and both of whom we understand to be on the GMC Register.The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”. The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:
permanent anxiety
insomnia
lack of appetite
irritability indefinable fear In the writ, according to the Sunday People, the McCanns further describe both of themselves as:
“totally destroyed”
“irreparably damaged”, and “totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”The question that arises is whether either of these doctors is fit to practise or indeed to remain on the GMC Register, at least until these serious psychological problems, suggestive of mental illness, subside.

ETA: report on McCann Files about an article in the (paper edition) of the Sunday Mirror.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id244.html

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"TORN APART BY HIS LIES Sunday Mirror (paper edition)"

By TOM WORDEN
July 12, 2009

Kate and Gerry McCann are suing the police chief who bungled the investigation into their daughter's disappearance - and blamed them for her death - for £1million.

In a 36-page writ handed to the Sunday Mirror, they lay bare in painful detail how Gonçalo Amaral's accusations left them "totally destroyed" and caused them "irreparable" damage.

It also gives a harrowing insight into the day-to-day life in the McCann household as they struggle to cope without Madeleine.

The writ - which the Sunday Mirror has had translated from Portuguese - outlines how the couple both suffer from "permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear". It also says Kate McCann is "steeped in a deep and serious depression".

Disgraced former police Amaral has pocketed £ 1million writing a lurid book and making a documentary full of cruel lies about Madeliene and her parents. And now they are suing him for every penny of it.

He accuses them of accidentally killing their three-year-old daughter and then covering up her death.

Amaral, who was thrown off case after five months, has repeatedly claimed Madeleine died in the holiday apartment on Algarve. In his book The Truth About The Lie he spouts his absurd theory that the couple hid their daughter's body.

The lawsuit also highlights their fears for four-year-old twins Sean and Amelie when they start school later this year and begin to hear rumours that Madeleine is dead.

And it accuses Amaral of being a self-obsessed, manipulative money-grabber with no morals.

The couple, both 41, have hired Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte to sue Amaral for defamation and for breaching their human rights. Mrs Duarte, 54, said: "Somebody has to stop him and shut him up. He is a rich man now, earning millions from the distress of this family. We believe he has made up to 1.2million euros (£1million) from the book and the video. We want the court to punish him by taking at least that much from him."

The McCanns have a good case for defamation as they have already been cleared by Portugal's Attorney General. The case will go to trial in Lisbon next summer and Amaral, 49, could force the McCanns to take the stand. Madeleine is named with Kate and Gerry and the twins as a complainant in the lawsuit, lodged on June 24.

The McCanns, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, claim Amaral's repeated insistence that their daughter is dead has stopped people looking for her. The lawsuit states: "Madeleine has been deprived of the possibility of a fair and adequate investigation into her disappearance, putting her moral and physical integrity at serious risk."

It says Gerry and Kate have been "totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view, beyond the pain that the absence of their eldest daughter causes them".

The couple want a minimum of £430,000 in damages for Madeleine, which will be used to keep the search for her going. They also want a minimum of £215,000 each for them, and another £86,000 each for the twins. It is thought any money they get will go to the Maddie fund.

Amaral's book has sold around 330,000 copies worldwide. The father-of-three has become a celeb in Portugal, and has a new Jaguar.

The McCanns say his "sole objectives" in writing the book were "to earn a lot of money", using "lies".

It says the book and his 50-minute documentary, which has been shown twice on Portuguese TV, are "manipulative, perverse, false, destructive, defamatory, deeply damaging and therefore illegal".

Amaral was in charge of the 30 detectives looking for Madeleine after she vanished in May 2007 on a family holiday in Praia da Luz.

He was largely responsible for making the McCanns "arguidos" - suspects - four months after Madeleine vanished. But he was kicked off the case in October 2007 days after the Sunday Mirror revealed he was working as little as four hours a day and was enjoying long, boozy lunches.

He was removed from the case on his 48th birthday. Amaral took early retirement shortly afterwards, ending 27 years on the force.

He began writing his book, promoting it by travelling around Europe giving newspaper interviews.

It went on sale in a blaze of publicity in July last year - three days after the McCanns' "arguido" status was removed. Earlier this month Amaral was charged with torturing a witness during a separate missing child case. He faces jail if convicted.

WHAT THEY ARE DEMANDING

£430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.

£215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.

£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September.

HOW HE MADE HIS MONEY

£500,000 from the book which has sold 180,000 copies in Portugal alone.

£430,000 from the extra 150,000 books which have been sold in Brazil, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland.

£100,000 for a TV documentary watched by one in five people in Portugal - 75,000 copies have sold on DVD.

**Panda** Fri 22 Oct - 9:10

Thanks AnnaEsse, I too read a translation of the charges against Amaral, not as detailed as the People:-

1. That Amaral"s suggestion that Madeleine was dead inhibited the continued search for her by not just themselves but the General Public, and damages their reputation suggesting she died in 5a.

2. That this caused them to suffer from Depression, anxiety etc and the Twins also suffered. Originally they included Madeleine but her name was withdrawn because she is still a Ward of Court.

3. That they are claiming E1.2 million compensation .

They cannot claim for health problems because they have been so much in the public eye since Amaral"s book was published. How could 4 yr old twins be affected? Isn"t E1.2 million excessive by any standards?

This was an ill conceived ploy from the start and I suspect the motive was greed because of the huge payout
they received from the Daily Express.

Guest Fri 22 Oct - 9:24

jimuck wrote:Totally agree ,Carolina love your posts ,your analysis is spot on, my opinion is and its an opinion i am entitled to ,their was no accidental death, remember Madeleine was about to start school.

about to start school, huh? INTERVIEW WITH AMARAL - Page 3 303636

**fred** Fri 22 Oct - 9:25

Marky wrote:
jimuck wrote:Totally agree ,Carolina love your posts ,your analysis is spot on, my opinion is and its an opinion i am entitled to ,their was no accidental death, remember Madeleine was about to start school.

about to start school, huh?

Perhaps if she was being abused, then she might have told someone at school?

Guest Fri 22 Oct - 9:41

fred wrote:
Marky wrote:
jimuck wrote:Totally agree ,Carolina love your posts ,your analysis is spot on, my opinion is and its an opinion i am entitled to ,their was no accidental death, remember Madeleine was about to start school.

about to start school, huh?

Perhaps if she was being abused, then she might have told someone at school?

if true you have a point. INTERVIEW WITH AMARAL - Page 3 25346

**Carolina** Fri 22 Oct - 9:45

Panda wrote:Thanks AnnaEsse, I too read a translation of the charges against Amaral, not as detailed as the People:-

1. That Amaral"s suggestion that Madeleine was dead inhibited the continued search for her by not just themselves but the General Public, and damages their reputation suggesting she died in 5a.

2. That this caused them to suffer from Depression, anxiety etc and the Twins also suffered. Originally they included Madeleine but her name was withdrawn because she is still a Ward of Court.

3. That they are claiming E1.2 million compensation .

They cannot claim for health problems because they have been so much in the public eye since Amaral"s book was published. How could 4 yr old twins be affected? Isn"t E1.2 million excessive by any standards?

This was an ill conceived ploy from the start and I suspect the motive was greed because of the huge payout
they received from the Daily Express.

You are so right, it was not at all well thought out and they probably thought that they would win easily anyway. The McCanns were so used to the newspapers folding and giving them what they wanted in the way of compensation that they expected that the rest of the world would react in the same way. Furthermore, € 1.2m is an incredibly large amount here and even if they won it is highly unlikely that they would be awarded this amount. When Gerry found out how many books were sold during an interview they made with "Expresso" newspaper, he instantly saw an opportunity to make money because they said before that they were not interested in the book. I can imagine those dollar signs dancing before his greedy eyes.

Like you say, how could 4 year olds be affected by the book. I would think that the way the parents used the twins for publicity and photo shoots and their brainwashing is certainly much more damaging to the children psyche than some book written in Portuguese.

As for their health problems, they certainly looked healthy enough during their stay at PdL, jogging, going out to lunch the day after Maddie's disappearence, tennis games, lounging around the pool, travels all over the world, sleeping well 5 days later. And then, poof a nasty book brings them down and makes them sick and depressed and insomniac, not the loss of their daughter. For gods sake, they did not think this through at all did they? Clutching at straws comes to mind.

**pennylane** Fri 22 Oct - 9:48

.....They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'.

If the ~~disgraced~~ parents of a child allegedly snatched by a stranger, did NOT suffer from these symptoms and far worse, they would have to be soulless and heartless in the extreme.

**AnnaEsse** Fri 22 Oct - 9:52

pennylane wrote:.....They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'.

If the ~~disgraced~~ parents of a child snatched by a stranger, did NOT suffer from these symptoms and far worse, they would have to be soulless and heartless in the extreme.

But, a few days after Maddie disappeared, Kate was having no trouble sleeping!

**pennylane** Fri 22 Oct - 10:01

AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:.....They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'.

If the ~~disgraced~~ parents of a child allegedly snatched by a stranger, did NOT suffer from these symptoms and far worse, they would have to be soulless and heartless in the extreme.

But, a few days after Maddie disappeared, Kate was having no trouble sleeping!

I remember that Anna, they also went jogging, Gerry played tennis, and they saw no problem with dropping the twins off at the MW Crèche and travelling all over the place. Mind boggling to say the least.

**AnnaEsse** Fri 22 Oct - 10:06

Oh dear! I searched for ages yesterday evening for details of that writ. I knew the info was there somewhere cos I could 'see,' it. I've just found a link to a blog post about it on Joana's site.

"Wednesday, 24 February 2010
Gerry and Kate McCann: who do you sue? "

Baroness Buscombe: said the PCC had held 'numerous discussions internally' about the McCann case

The Guardian 24/02/10

"Baroness Buscombe, the chairman of the Press Complaints Commission, today defended the regulator's failure to launch an inquiry into press coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.

Buscombe, who took up her role in April last year, was speaking after the House of Commons culture, media and sport select committee criticised the PCC for staying silent for 10 months after McCann went missing while newspapers were apparently breaching its code of practice.

"In any other industry suffering such a collective breakdown ... any regulator worth its salt would have instigated an inquiry," the MPs said in their report. "It is an indictment on the PCC's record, that it signally failed to do so."

But Buscombe said the PCC had been constrained to act because the McCann family had not made a formal complaint to the watchdog about newspaper coverage.

The McCanns instead took legal action that resulted in a £550,000 payout from Express Newspapers, a private settlement with Associated Newspapers and an apology from the News of the World.

"It's very important to put it in context," Buscombe told The Media Show on BBC Radio 4 today.

"What actually happened was that as soon as the story broke, the PCC was very much in touch with the McCann family and repeatedly offered to help.

"The McCanns and the PCC over the months that followed were in touch and indeed Gerry McCann in this inquiry actually praised the PCC for helping very much in terms of privacy matters relating to their other children."

Buscombe said the PCC had held "numerous discussions internally" about the McCann case.

"The difficulty that it had was that it's very difficult for a self-regulatory body such as ours to actually pre-empt and decide in some ways whether a headline or statements that are being made are something that we should be tackling without proper engagement of the complainants."

The important points I would extract from the above article are:

1) As a self-regulatory body, the PCC was constrained from acting without formal complaints from the McCanns.

2) The PCC offered to help the McCanns.

3) Instead of accepting PCC assistance, and making formal complaints, the McCanns launched legal action and were awarded £550,000 as an out of court settlement from the Express Group.

The problem is, I guess, that making formal complaints and possibly extracting retraction and apologies via that route does not net any cash! Just let the newspapers get on with it and then sue them! Good little money-spinner there!

And talking about just letting them get on with it and then suing them, why did the McCanns wait so long to sue Gonçalo Amaral over the alleged defamation in his book, "The Truth of the Lie."? This book was published at the end of July 2008, yet it wasn't until May 2009 that the McCanns stated their intention to sue.

"The parents of Madeleine McCann are to sue former Portuguese police detective Goncalo Amaral for defamation.

Kate and Gerry McCann are taking action over "unfounded and grossly defamatory claims", their spokesman said." BBC 17/05/09

The McCanns decided on the figure of £1 million (£1.2 million Euros) as the sum they wish to claim for defamation against the former PJ police officer.

What they are demanding
£430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.
£215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.
£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September.

How he made his money
£500,000 from the book which has sold 180,000 copies in Portugal alone.
£430,000 from the extra 150,000 books which have been sold in Brazil, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland.
£100,000 for a TV documentary watched by one in five people in Portugal - 75,000 copies have sold on DVD. The McCann Files

So, it rather looks like the McCanns waited, once again, to take legal action, this time until it appeared that Gonçalo Amaral had made a significant amount of money from his book, and was therefore worth suing. One wonders why the McCanns didn't sue the author of the book A Culpa dos McCann (The McCanns' Guilt.) Manuel Catarino. Never heard of this book, whose publication pre-dates that of Gonçalo Amaral by seven months? Perhaps that's why the author has not been sued! The book didn't sell! He wasn't worth suing!

So, what next? The McCanns have won the next round of their action to have Amaral's book banned. However, at present there is another case in the process of going through the legal channels in Portugal. Robert Murat, the first person to be named arguido in the case, is taking action against Jane Tanner and three others of the McCann friends with whom they went on that fateful holiday to Praia da Luz in May 2007. I await with great interest the result of that case and wonder if and how it might affect the re-opening of the Maddie case and the McCanns attempts to extract money from Dr Amaral.

Posted by AnnaEsse at 19:27

There! I knew I'd seen it somewhere!

INTERVIEW WITH AMARAL - Page 3 23324

**LJC** Fri 22 Oct - 10:15

AnnaEsse wrote:Oh dear! I searched for ages yesterday evening for details of that writ. I knew the info was there somewhere cos I could 'see,' it. I've just found a link to a blog post about it on Joana's site.

"Wednesday, 24 February 2010
Gerry and Kate McCann: who do you sue? "

Baroness Buscombe: said the PCC had held 'numerous discussions internally' about the McCann case

The Guardian 24/02/10

"Baroness Buscombe, the chairman of the Press Complaints Commission, today defended the regulator's failure to launch an inquiry into press coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007.

Buscombe, who took up her role in April last year, was speaking after the House of Commons culture, media and sport select committee criticised the PCC for staying silent for 10 months after McCann went missing while newspapers were apparently breaching its code of practice.

"In any other industry suffering such a collective breakdown ... any regulator worth its salt would have instigated an inquiry," the MPs said in their report. "It is an indictment on the PCC's record, that it signally failed to do so."

But Buscombe said the PCC had been constrained to act because the McCann family had not made a formal complaint to the watchdog about newspaper coverage.

The McCanns instead took legal action that resulted in a £550,000 payout from Express Newspapers, a private settlement with Associated Newspapers and an apology from the News of the World.

"It's very important to put it in context," Buscombe told The Media Show on BBC Radio 4 today.

"What actually happened was that as soon as the story broke, the PCC was very much in touch with the McCann family and repeatedly offered to help.

"The McCanns and the PCC over the months that followed were in touch and indeed Gerry McCann in this inquiry actually praised the PCC for helping very much in terms of privacy matters relating to their other children."

Buscombe said the PCC had held "numerous discussions internally" about the McCann case.

"The difficulty that it had was that it's very difficult for a self-regulatory body such as ours to actually pre-empt and decide in some ways whether a headline or statements that are being made are something that we should be tackling without proper engagement of the complainants."

The important points I would extract from the above article are:

1) As a self-regulatory body, the PCC was constrained from acting without formal complaints from the McCanns.

2) The PCC offered to help the McCanns.

3) Instead of accepting PCC assistance, and making formal complaints, the McCanns launched legal action and were awarded £550,000 as an out of court settlement from the Express Group.

The problem is, I guess, that making formal complaints and possibly extracting retraction and apologies via that route does not net any cash! Just let the newspapers get on with it and then sue them! Good little money-spinner there!

And talking about just letting them get on with it and then suing them, why did the McCanns wait so long to sue Gonçalo Amaral over the alleged defamation in his book, "The Truth of the Lie."? This book was published at the end of July 2008, yet it wasn't until May 2009 that the McCanns stated their intention to sue.

"The parents of Madeleine McCann are to sue former Portuguese police detective Goncalo Amaral for defamation.

Kate and Gerry McCann are taking action over "unfounded and grossly defamatory claims", their spokesman said." BBC 17/05/09

The McCanns decided on the figure of £1 million (£1.2 million Euros) as the sum they wish to claim for defamation against the former PJ police officer.

What they are demanding
£430,000 damages for Madeleine which will be used to continue the search for her.
£215,000 for each parent for the emotional distress the book has caused them. They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'. The writ also says Kate McCann is 'steeped in a deep and serious depression'.
£86,000 for each of their twins Sean and Amelie, who could hear his allegations when they start school in September.

How he made his money
£500,000 from the book which has sold 180,000 copies in Portugal alone.
£430,000 from the extra 150,000 books which have been sold in Brazil, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland.
£100,000 for a TV documentary watched by one in five people in Portugal - 75,000 copies have sold on DVD. The McCann Files

So, it rather looks like the McCanns waited, once again, to take legal action, this time until it appeared that Gonçalo Amaral had made a significant amount of money from his book, and was therefore worth suing. One wonders why the McCanns didn't sue the author of the book A Culpa dos McCann (The McCanns' Guilt.) Manuel Catarino. Never heard of this book, whose publication pre-dates that of Gonçalo Amaral by seven months? Perhaps that's why the author has not been sued! The book didn't sell! He wasn't worth suing!

So, what next? The McCanns have won the next round of their action to have Amaral's book banned. However, at present there is another case in the process of going through the legal channels in Portugal. Robert Murat, the first person to be named arguido in the case, is taking action against Jane Tanner and three others of the McCann friends with whom they went on that fateful holiday to Praia da Luz in May 2007. I await with great interest the result of that case and wonder if and how it might affect the re-opening of the Maddie case and the McCanns attempts to extract money from Dr Amaral.

Posted by AnnaEsse at 19:27

There! I knew I'd seen it somewhere!

Well done Anna,

I think these words of wisdom spoken by Baroness Buscombe should now be another nail in their coffins and should be put into a headline now for the whole world to see, especially it should be sent to the pro sites and the McCanns should be re-reminded.

**pennylane** Fri 22 Oct - 10:17

Anna.... very interesting article ... thank you for finding it! INTERVIEW WITH AMARAL - Page 3 307691

**AnnaEsse** Fri 22 Oct - 10:19

pennylane wrote:Anna.... very interesting article ... thank you for finding it!

Took me a while and it was found accidentally when I was looking for something else! Duh!

jay2001 Fri 22 Oct - 12:39

Money seems to be the only thing that motivates them. When the book was released IIRC Clarrie said that their lawyers were watching. So what took 12 months to discover the book was (in their opinion) libellous?

£400 odd thousand for continuing the search. The search they never started. Well, why bother when the PI's were much better suited to such mundane tasks. And money for themselves for the distress etc. Wow, whoever thought a missing child could be such a nice little earner. Bring on the global concert, Elton. To put a price of £86k each on saving the twins from being 'hurt by the allegations' when they start school is, err, quite frankly, ludicrous!

Those poor kids have been brainwashed and force fed complete crap from day one. If the greedy parents had shut up long ago most people wouldn't remember the story. The gullible and un-informed have believed the tripe that the UK media spout. But the parents greed and lust for £1.2 million euros drove them on, because they don't know how to stop the roller coaster. They must need to be exonerated by everyone not just the Murdoch/Mitchell luvvies. They want to be A list celebrities not just the poor, grieving parents of a 'missing' child.

How they and Clarrie must long for that call from the Hollywood mogul to film their story before they disappear to live in oblivion. Hopefully, they will never disappear down the black hole because justice will be done one way or another and they will rue the day they sought to gag Dr Amaral.

Indefinable fear? Oh, yeah, that knock on the door.

**Angelique** Fri 22 Oct - 13:36

jay2001

Agree with what you say - but when they finally squeeze enough money out of people for the Fund to stash away are they going to, as you say, "disappear into oblivion". There was talk that they would go to Canada or New Zealand. Does anyone know if, as has been mentioned on another thread, they can be arrested from these countries if there is a re-opening of the case and the PJ want to interview them. They could just say the same as they did about the reconstruction.

Angelique

comperedna Fri 22 Oct - 16:27

Panda... Whatever the people of Faro believe... that would be a crazy thing to do, even if wrapped well and weighted down. Tides and currents
even in the relatively stable waters off the Algarve (well compared with the North Sea which is what I know) would drag at it, abrading the most careful wrapping. Fish and small marine creatures would get to work rapidly splitting it up, and human 'detritus' could wash up anywhere. Remains of one of the cockle pickers drowned off Morecambe bay were still easy to identify by DNA. A neighbours small son, aged nine, fell into a creek off the North Norfolk coast and identifiable remains turned up years later on a beach in Holland.

**Panda** Fri 22 Oct - 17:24

comperedna wrote:Panda... Whatever the people of Faro believe... that would be a crazy thing to do, even if wrapped well and weighted down. Tides and currents
even in the relatively stable waters off the Algarve (well compared with the North Sea which is what I know) would drag at it, abrading the most careful wrapping. Fish and small marine creatures would get to work rapidly splitting it up, and human 'detritus' could wash up anywhere. Remains of one of the cockle pickers drowned off Morecambe bay were still easy to identify by DNA. A neighbours small son, aged nine, fell into a creek off the North Norfolk coast and identifiable remains turned up years later on a beach in Holland.

Hi Comperedna

This was a theory as I say and the Lady said if the body was weighted down the chances of it surfacing early
would be remote because if thrown from the cliffs in the area, the sea would be quite deep there. Even if the remains surfaced, whose to say how it got there? The person/s who abducted Madeleine? perhaps when they saw all the photographs published especially with the Colombara, they panicked?. This is all supposition as I say, but the most credible since the evidence found in the Wheelbase was inconclusive and it would be very hard to hide a body for 3 weeks. Personally, I cannot believe the Parents could be so callous, but Gerry had just won a Grant
from the British Heart Foundation and is very ambitious, so who knows what lengths people will go to to save their skins. A police report said in the case of children going missing in 75% of the cases the parents have been found guilty.

**fred** Fri 22 Oct - 18:36

Panda wrote:
comperedna wrote:Panda... Whatever the people of Faro believe... that would be a crazy thing to do, even if wrapped well and weighted down. Tides and currents
even in the relatively stable waters off the Algarve (well compared with the North Sea which is what I know) would drag at it, abrading the most careful wrapping. Fish and small marine creatures would get to work rapidly splitting it up, and human 'detritus' could wash up anywhere. Remains of one of the cockle pickers drowned off Morecambe bay were still easy to identify by DNA. A neighbours small son, aged nine, fell into a creek off the North Norfolk coast and identifiable remains turned up years later on a beach in Holland.

Hi Comperedna

This was a theory as I say and the Lady said if the body was weighted down the chances of it surfacing early
would be remote because if thrown from the cliffs in the area, the sea would be quite deep there. Even if the remains surfaced, whose to say how it got there? The person/s who abducted Madeleine? perhaps when they saw all the photographs published especially with the Colombara, they panicked?. This is all supposition as I say, but the most credible since the evidence found in the Wheelbase was inconclusive and it would be very hard to hide a body for 3 weeks. Personally, I cannot believe the Parents could be so callous, but Gerry had just won a Grant
from the British Heart Foundation and is very ambitious, so who knows what lengths people will go to to save their skins. A police report said in the case of children going missing in 75% of the cases the parents have been found guilty.

I'd say more 90%

**widowan** Sat 23 Oct - 3:43

So their argument for getting money off Amaral is that, although they weren't distressed anxious and permamently upset by their daughter being kidnapped, they are anxious and upset about him airing the findings of the investigation, which implicates them in her disappearance.

That's kind of funny when you think about it; it makes sense if they don't care about her, but do care about their own reputation and lifestyle, which is pretty much the way they roll, and have done since the beginning.

**cass** Sat 23 Oct - 14:15

Angelique wrote:jay2001

Agree with what you say - but when they finally squeeze enough money out of people for the Fund to stash away are they going to, as you say, "disappear into oblivion". There was talk that they would go to Canada or New Zealand. Does anyone know if, as has been mentioned on another thread, they can be arrested from these countries if there is a re-opening of the case and the PJ want to interview them. They could just say the same as they did about the reconstruction.

Angelique

i would think that if portugal need to send the mcanns to trial in the near future no goverment will ever allow them to stay in their country and say up yours we are not going , this case is world wide and i would amagine there is NOWHERE THEY CAN HIDE if they have enough to charge them in the future .

**Angelique** Sat 23 Oct - 14:22

cass wrote:
Angelique wrote:jay2001

Agree with what you say - but when they finally squeeze enough money out of people for the Fund to stash away are they going to, as you say, "disappear into oblivion". There was talk that they would go to Canada or New Zealand. Does anyone know if, as has been mentioned on another thread, they can be arrested from these countries if there is a re-opening of the case and the PJ want to interview them. They could just say the same as they did about the reconstruction.

Angelique
i would think that if portugal need to send the mcanns to trial in the near future no goverment will ever allow them to stay in their country and say up yours we are not going , this case is world wide and i would amagine there is NOWHERE THEY CAN HIDE if they have enough to charge them in the future .

Hi cass

That's very re-assuring - we just have to wait until some new evidence arrives or one of the Tapas9 or other witnesses supplies it.

Angelique

**ann_chovey** Sat 23 Oct - 14:28

very interesting article, thanks Anna......

They say they suffer 'permanent anxiety, insomnia, lack of appetite, irritability and an indefinable fear'.

And I bet I know why!

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